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Posted by: FrederickAlexander
« on: October 10, 2017, 08:53:37 AM »

So, how boring is it waiting for a 250 ton gauss fighter to nibble a 100kton freighter to death? LOL.
I never send a single fighter and perfer to send them out in squadrons... that being said, it still takes a long time to bring down a freighter half that size.
Posted by: Michael Sandy
« on: October 09, 2017, 05:54:12 PM »

There IS a scenario where fullsized Gauss may have an advantage.

If you have PD with a 100% intercept vs known enemy missiles, then you know exactly how much PD you need to completely defeat a volley.

If you have 10 times as many PD with a 10% intercept, the distribution may be such that sometimes you will actually intercept far fewer missiles.

But this is kind of rare, since you are more likely to have a 95%, allowing for a miss distribution, or 105%, meaning wasted accuracy.
Posted by: Iranon
« on: October 09, 2017, 05:33:58 PM »

Also: turrets with more barrels need proportionally less overhead in turret gear for a given tracking speed... but a full-size quad may be more firepower than we want per fire control.
Posted by: Father Tim
« on: October 09, 2017, 02:46:47 PM »

Gauss cannon base hit chance IS linear to size.  Steve has said that -- for example -- although 1/6 size Gauss Cannons claim to have a 17% base hit chance in the description, it's actually 16.666...%

This means that absent any other modifiers, six size 1 Gauss Cannons will average the same number of hits as one size 6 Gauss Cannon.  Since most bonuses and penalties are multiplicative, these averages will remain constant in those cases.

Crew Rating, on the other hand, is NOT.  Highly skilled Fighter pilots/crew will ADD their flat bonus to hit chances, resulting in (for example) hit chance multipliers of 105% for one size 6 Gauss Cannon and 21.666...% * 6 for six size 1 Gauss Cannons (equivalent to one shot at 131%).

Therefore, with Conscript crews you want the largest size GC that you can fit, whereas with trained and/or experienced crews, the smallest.  Multiple smaller GC also have advantages in the 'at least X hits' category, redundancy, and -as noted by Michael Sandy - reseaerch/Tech costs.  They suffer in damage absorption (you have watch total HTK closely) and potential overkill (for example, when you are trying to cripple engines prior to boarding enemy vessels).
Posted by: Michael Sandy
« on: October 09, 2017, 12:50:47 PM »

As far as I can tell, accuracy goes does linearly with size, meaning that you get the same number of hits with 12 1/12 size gauss cannon as you do with one full size.  Which means you can put 1/12 sized quad turrets on a slow fighter.

Going with the reduced size also reduces the research cost, making it far more palatable to upgrade your turret designs every time you get a new gauss tech.

There are a lot of systems I have making the really big versions of, (like sensors), because the cumulative cost can end up more than simply researching the next tech advance in the tree.
Posted by: obsidian_green
« on: October 06, 2017, 06:59:21 PM »

Against missiles and when mounted on a slow ship, GC can outperform railguns all the way down to RoF 3 since they can be mounted in turrets.

I'm a Gauss cannon turret fiend already. My question (as opposed to the OP's) was about when reduced-size Gauss makes the most sense on fighters. I went dual, 25% accuracy Gauss on my very first fighter design, but was scared over to a single railgun by the number of misses in the event updates. I miss the lower tonnage, but look forward to actually hitting targets.
Posted by: Barkhorn
« on: October 06, 2017, 10:55:31 AM »

Against missiles and when mounted on a slow ship, GC can outperform railguns all the way down to RoF 3 since they can be mounted in turrets.
Posted by: Iranon
« on: October 06, 2017, 02:54:38 AM »

Ton for ton, you probably need Gauss RoF 6 to be competitive. Railguns get more than 1 shot per HS out of the box, crew grade bonuses help miniaturised weapons but won't overcome a large base difference.

Before that tech level, I consider Gauss for fighters mostly when I don't care about efficiency, but for the ability to do something at point blank range for the smallest possible space investment.
E.g. I want the ability to finish off unarmed targets/crippled ships/spent missile ships, but don't want to increase my overall visibility by pairing a 400t+ railgun fighter with my 150t missile fighters.
That's very niche-y though and rarely makes a practical difference.
Posted by: Detros
« on: October 06, 2017, 02:29:23 AM »

At what point/tech/grade bonus do miniaturized Gauss cannons usually become effective?
I have upgraded GC to 2 shots per interval, made a PD ship design and build two of them as the homeguard. At 3 shots per interval I have prepared an updated version and build few more of them. By the time I got to 4 shots per interval those ships gained decent rank so for version IIb which just got updated GC I have gone for size 5 ones. Price for update from version I was too high so those two original ones stayed old. I am now at 5 shots per interval, using still size 5 GCs and updating both version I and IIb to III.

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Posted by: obsidian_green
« on: October 05, 2017, 10:28:41 PM »

At what point/tech/grade bonus do miniaturized Gauss cannons usually become effective? I went Gauss on my first fighter design, but switched to a single railgun because there were so many misses with reduced-size Gauss.

This was that first fighter design:
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Posted by: Michael Sandy
« on: October 05, 2017, 10:04:42 PM »

So, how boring is it waiting for a 250 ton gauss fighter to nibble a 100kton freighter to death? LOL.
Posted by: FrederickAlexander
« on: October 05, 2017, 11:57:51 AM »

Miniaturized gauss cannons are also the smallest effective weapon except for box launchers.  So they can make an effective fighter interceptor weapon.

So you can build a very small fighter that can still kill enemy fighters.  Or perhaps build a very fast fighter that can pursue enemy missile fighters after they have launched, and kill them before they can return to their carrier and reload.

And if you don't mind being completely bored, you can use gauss fighters to take out enemy freighters.
Can Confirm, All scenarios described I have done before.
Posted by: MarcAFK
« on: October 05, 2017, 06:44:03 AM »

Miniaturized gauss cannons also allow you to take greater advantage of grade bonus.
Posted by: Michael Sandy
« on: October 05, 2017, 04:06:13 AM »

Miniaturized gauss cannons are also the smallest effective weapon except for box launchers.  So they can make an effective fighter interceptor weapon.

So you can build a very small fighter that can still kill enemy fighters.  Or perhaps build a very fast fighter that can pursue enemy missile fighters after they have launched, and kill them before they can return to their carrier and reload.

And if you don't mind being completely bored, you can use gauss fighters to take out enemy freighters.
Posted by: Garfunkel
« on: October 03, 2017, 07:11:44 PM »

Well yes i mean, i could but it wouldn't feel right to me to design a laser gun and call it coilgun.  I agree with endless customization, and it's fantastic to call whetever you want the way you want, but i guess i'll end up using railguns or trying to use gauss cannons as anti ship weaponry.  Somebody said that a coilgun would perform better than railguns into space, and if you think about it, mass drivers are essentially coilguns, and in aurora they have a freaking range.  While i'll try to use my imagination, i guess that gauss cannons should be reworked, as in my opinion they are too undervalued. . .  still thanks for the tips!
The range is because of light speed limitation combined with the 5 second pulse. Otherwise the game would need to track each projectile that kinetic weapons pump out. Now they are "magic" in that they just pop from attacker to the defender inside the 5 second pulse as long as they are close enough.

Gauss guns are already quite powerful. What you want is to use railguns, they will fit the role you want. Don't get hung up on the terms too much.