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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 01:08:13 AM »
Quote from: Erik Luken link=topic=7958. msg82701#msg82701 date=1447554251
The wiki is currently offline.

Is there an ETA for when it'll be back up and running? I just started learning Aurora a few days ago, and I'm still mostly just fumbling around with it, even after looking up various tutorials online.
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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2015, 08:19:28 AM »
The wiki has been consuming a lot of resources on the host server. This leads them to throttle the entire domain.
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2015, 11:26:31 AM »
Is there an ETA for when it'll be back up and running? I just started learning Aurora a few days ago, and I'm still mostly just fumbling around with it, even after looking up various tutorials online.
All the information on the wiki can be found here, you just have to look for it.
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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2015, 09:36:00 AM »
Wow! Am I glad I found this topic! I hadn't posted since 2013 and I was wondering if my 403 errors had something to do with my account. I just couldn't seem to start a new topic, no matter how many times I tried.

Now I just have to remember to always search my posts for from, like, and case and always put italics brackets around them.

I know the fix for this. It is basically disabling script security for the site. I'm debating on if that is good or no.
Log a bug with whoever designed the script security code?

Perhaps you could disable script security for the time being, report the bug to the forum software, and see how it goes until they have a fix?

...alternatively a hacky solution would be create some code which first intercepts known error creating statements and shoves them into italics. Then leave script security alone.

Sounds like it might work.

The wiki has been consuming a lot of resources on the host server. This leads them to throttle the entire domain.

Why? Was the wiki getting that much legitimate traffic? Were bots targeting it? Or, perhaps there's other wiki software that's not as resource intensive?

However, these days, spammers and spam-bots very frequently target wikis to insert their advertising junk. I know because I used to participate on the Dwarf Fortress wiki (and others) and some of the moderators there talked about it. I also saw it firsthand, with spam and junk added daily and new accounts created faster than they could delete them. Sometimes, wikis and forums have to disable account creation just to manage.

It's not enough, these days, for a wiki to just have a run-of-the-mill CAPTCHA. You need really good bot filtering, preferably in combo with a Q & A and account verification.

It's sad that the wiki had to be taken down. The biggest obstacle to getting into Aurora is the complexity. And a wiki would sure help with that. I wouldn't have even attempted to get into Dwarf Fortress if they didn't have a wiki.

Perhaps the wiki could be moved to a different location? Perhaps a free wiki host? Or maybe try scrapping the wiki membership and have much more strict bot checks and controls on registration? (Maybe ask prospective members why they want to join? Ask a question about Aurora?)
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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2015, 12:21:24 PM »
Why? Was the wiki getting that much legitimate traffic? Were bots targeting it? Or, perhaps there's other wiki software that's not as resource intensive?

However, these days, spammers and spam-bots very frequently target wikis to insert their advertising junk. I know because I used to participate on the Dwarf Fortress wiki (and others) and some of the moderators there talked about it. I also saw it firsthand, with spam and junk added daily and new accounts created faster than they could delete them. Sometimes, wikis and forums have to disable account creation just to manage.

It's not enough, these days, for a wiki to just have a run-of-the-mill CAPTCHA. You need really good bot filtering, preferably in combo with a Q & A and account verification.

It's sad that the wiki had to be taken down. The biggest obstacle to getting into Aurora is the complexity. And a wiki would sure help with that. I wouldn't have even attempted to get into Dwarf Fortress if they didn't have a wiki.

Perhaps the wiki could be moved to a different location? Perhaps a free wiki host? Or maybe try scrapping the wiki membership and have much more strict bot checks and controls on registration? (Maybe ask prospective members why they want to join? Ask a question about Aurora?)

The wiki has been on moderator account creation for a few years now. And only people with accounts can make changes. So it wasn't traffic to my knowledge.
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2015, 02:13:53 PM »
I've found another thing that triggers the 403, any posts containing the following;
[any word] is [decimal number].
Example ;
"Euphrosyne is 0.0679"
" Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for? "
". . .  We know nothing about them, their language, their history or what they look like.  But we can assume this.  They stand for everything we don't stand for.  Also they told me you guys look like dorks. "
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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2015, 03:23:15 PM »
Test is 1.234
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2015, 03:33:27 PM »
Hmm. I implemented the suggested fix on the SMF forums, but that didn't seem to work
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2015, 04:23:27 PM »
Oddly enough it has to be under 1.
Word is 0.99 will fail.
" Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for? "
". . .  We know nothing about them, their language, their history or what they look like.  But we can assume this.  They stand for everything we don't stand for.  Also they told me you guys look like dorks. "
"Stop exploding, you cowards.  "
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #24 on: December 22, 2015, 07:16:53 AM »
Why? Was the wiki getting that much legitimate traffic?

This site setting bars it from google grabby little crawlers, meaning that any person that googles anything about the game will never get any search results leading here, only the wiki. So in effect the wiki is the only source of info as far as the world google is concerned.

All the information on the wiki can be found here, you just have to look for it.

Easier said than done. Even if you know how to get the most of the abhorrent forum search function, you are still handicapped.
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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #25 on: December 22, 2015, 07:38:44 AM »
What specifically is wrong with the search function? I've had issues with finding things before but usually manage to find what I need, I can't think of anything specifically wrong with it though.
" Why is this godforsaken hellhole worth dying for? "
". . .  We know nothing about them, their language, their history or what they look like.  But we can assume this.  They stand for everything we don't stand for.  Also they told me you guys look like dorks. "
"Stop exploding, you cowards.  "
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #26 on: December 22, 2015, 08:38:37 AM »
The issue seems to be mod_security. I attempted to disable it for the Aurora forums, but that did not seem to work. At least some of the errors are still occurring.
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2015, 03:58:57 AM »
On the wiki, I no longer get this error, instead i get redirected to the main page.
Also, the site\wiki blasphemous term for today is "Description".
 

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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2015, 01:52:24 PM »
Just had this problem. Removed 0.49 from end of sentence (after narrowing it down) from whole update post :) and it started working.

After reading above, I changed the preceding text so it would read "reduced to 0.49", instead of "is 0.49" and it worked fine.
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Re: 403 Forbidden
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2015, 05:36:49 PM »
What specifically is wrong with the search function? I've had issues with finding things before but usually manage to find what I need, I can't think of anything specifically wrong with it though.
Its  a pita to use,  the signal to noise ratio is poor unless you select the right subforums.  Wiki is far far easier to use.  Esp for new players.  Why is the wiki using so much data?
 

 

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