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First Carrier
« on: January 17, 2017, 04:14:24 PM »
This is my first Carrier

Is there anything wrong with it before I tool the line?

(Constraints - <13000 tons, must have 20 billion range, and 4000 km/s.  )

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Beatle class Escort Carrier    12 800 tons     219 Crew     1648.2 BP      TCS 256  TH 1080  EM 0
4218 km/s     Armour 2-48     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 6     PPV 0
Maint Life 2 Years     MSP 483    AFR 218%    IFR 3%    1YR 161    5YR 2422    Max Repair 160 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Flight Crew Berths 1   
Hangar Deck Capacity 4000 tons     Magazine 120   

Bush 180 EP Ion Drive (standard) (6)    Power 180    Fuel Use 76.5%    Signature 180    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 1 100 000 Litres    Range 20.2 billion km   (55 days at full power)

Donnell-Kempe CIWS-160 (1x4)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Sauve Syndicate Active Search Sensor MR80-R100 (1)     GPS 16000     Range 80.0m km    Resolution 100

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The intention is that this will carry 10 Fighter bombers in operations (Other ships will be the primary sensor and provide escort) and a secondary role of fighter transport and missile transport. 

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Jade class Fighter-bomber    382 tons     2 Crew     72.6 BP      TCS 7.64  TH 60  EM 0
7853 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0.6
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 76%    IFR 1.1%    1YR 11    5YR 161    Max Repair 32 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 2   
Magazine 4   

Bush 30 EP Ion Drive (Fighter) (2)    Power 30    Fuel Use 154.08%    Signature 30    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 10 000 Litres    Range 3.1 billion km   (4 days at full power)

Ferraro Syndicate Size 4 Box Launcher (1)    Missile Size 4    Hangar Reload 30 minutes    MF Reload 5 hours
Beynon Corporation Missile Fire Control FC48-R100 (1)     Range 48.0m km    Resolution 100
Talon Size 4 Anti-ship Missile (1)  Speed: 22 400 km/s   End: 55.8m    Range: 75m km   WH: 4    Size: 4    TH: 112/67/33

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

Once I get more fighters online I may build a missile specific to the 48.0m km range of the fighter missile control, as right now the Talon missile is my standard anti-ship missile. 
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Re: First Carrier
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2017, 04:24:07 PM »
No flight crew berths on the carrier is the big one. With 10 fighters with 2 crew each, you should have 20 berths on the carrier.  Pretty easily fit on a spare crew quarters and still keep it under your 13kt limit though.

Maintenance life of 2 years and an intended deployment of 6 months is a mismatch, but that may be deliberate.

I'd stick a very small res-1 sensor on the carrier just so the CIWS isn't blind if something happens to the escort, but that might just be me.
 
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Re: First Carrier
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2017, 04:34:15 PM »
No flight crew berths on the carrier is the big one. With 10 fighters with 2 crew each, you should have 20 berths on the carrier.  Pretty easily fit on a spare crew quarters and still keep it under your 13kt limit though.

Maintenance life of 2 years and an intended deployment of 6 months is a mismatch, but that may be deliberate.

I'd stick a very small res-1 sensor on the carrier just so the CIWS isn't blind if something happens to the escort, but that might just be me.


The mismatch is intentional.   

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Re: First Carrier
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2017, 05:21:03 PM »
How do you add extra births?
Tick the 'Keep excess Q" box in the design window. Add crew births as you would normal modules.

Thoughts on carrier; Should have some passive sensors (even a strength 2-3 with double/triple current passive detection range). I recommend another CIWS or two (they don't need any sensors). Should use fewer but larger engines.

Fighter/Bomber; Not enough firepower. Should add either some small gauss or another box launcher or two (a size 4 box launcher is 30 tons if I remember right)(also make sure the box launcher reload tech is set at 1 because there is no bonus to increasing it but it does add more cost).
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Re: First Carrier
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2017, 06:22:35 PM »

Thoughts on carrier; Should have some passive sensors (even a strength 2-3 with double/triple current passive detection range). I recommend another CIWS or two (they don't need any sensors). Should use fewer but larger engines.

Fighter/Bomber; Not enough firepower. Should add either some small gauss or another box launcher or two (a size 4 box launcher is 30 tons if I remember right)(also make sure the box launcher reload tech is set at 1 because there is no bonus to increasing it but it does add more cost).

Thanks! births added.

I can add sensors, can't add more CIWS due to weight limits.  Since I upping the fighters to having 2 box launchers, I went with a single reload in the magazines to save some space.   The larger engines I have can't meet the tonnage requirements.   

Here is the new Carrier.

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Beatle class Escort Carrier    12 900 tons     224 Crew     1671.8 BP      TCS 258  TH 1080  EM 0
4186 km/s     Armour 2-48     Shields 0-0     Sensors 16/8/0/0     Damage Control Rating 6     PPV 0
Maint Life 2.02 Years     MSP 486    AFR 221%    IFR 3.1%    1YR 159    5YR 2380    Max Repair 160 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Flight Crew Berths 20   
Hangar Deck Capacity 4000 tons     Magazine 90   

Bush 180 EP Ion Drive (standard) (6)    Power 180    Fuel Use 76.5%    Signature 180    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 1 100 000 Litres    Range 20.1 billion km   (55 days at full power)

Donnell-Kempe CIWS-160 (1x4)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Talon Size 4 Anti-ship Missile (22)  Speed: 22 400 km/s   End: 55.8m    Range: 75m km   WH: 4    Size: 4    TH: 112/67/33


Sauve Syndicate Active Search Sensor MR80-R100 (1)     GPS 16000     Range 80.0m km    Resolution 100
Annese & Ikerd Thermal Sensor TH2-16 (1)     Sensitivity 16     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  16m km
Annese & Ikerd EM Detection Sensor EM1-8 (1)     Sensitivity 8     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  8m km

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

and the fighter

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Jade class Fighter-bomber    412 tons     2 Crew     75 BP      TCS 8.24  TH 60  EM 0
7281 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 1.2
Maint Life 0 Years     MSP 0    AFR 82%    IFR 1.1%    1YR 11    5YR 159    Max Repair 32 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 2   
Magazine 8   

Bush 30 EP Ion Drive (Fighter) (2)    Power 30    Fuel Use 154.08%    Signature 30    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 10 000 Litres    Range 2.8 billion km   (4 days at full power)

Ferraro Syndicate Size 4 Box Launcher (2)    Missile Size 4    Hangar Reload 30 minutes    MF Reload 5 hours
Beynon Corporation Missile Fire Control FC48-R100 (1)     Range 48.0m km    Resolution 100
Talon Size 4 Anti-ship Missile (2)  Speed: 22 400 km/s   End: 55.8m    Range: 75m km   WH: 4    Size: 4    TH: 112/67/33

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

Edit:

As a note - I can use these patrol fighters without taking space.  I find them useful for station keeping as well.

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Asp Mark I class Fighter    425 tons     12 Crew     73.8 BP      TCS 8.5  TH 60  EM 0
7058 km/s     Armour 1-5     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 1
Maint Life 37.66 Years     MSP 109    AFR 1%    IFR 0%    1YR 0    5YR 2    Max Repair 15 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months    Spare Berths 1   

Bush 30 EP Ion Drive (Fighter) (2)    Power 30    Fuel Use 154.08%    Signature 30    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 50 000 Litres    Range 13.7 billion km   (22 days at full power)

Verser-Seliga Armaments Company Gauss Cannon R2-17 (1x2)    Range 20 000km     TS: 7058 km/s     Accuracy Modifier 17%     RM 2    ROF 5        1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Ramming Limited Fire Control S00.2 32-2000 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 64 000 km   TS: 8000 km/s     84 69 53 37 22 6 0 0 0 0

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes
« Last Edit: January 17, 2017, 06:39:51 PM by Drgong »
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Re: First Carrier
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2017, 08:48:04 PM »
I would personally drop the CIWS completely. If the carrier comes under fire and your escorts can't provide enough point defense then a little CIWS wont help anyway.
A question on the stated range: Is it intended that the carrier sould be able to make a round trip of 20bkm and conduct a fighter operation somewhere in between? If so, you'll probably want to add more fuel tanks to resupply the fighters after they come back from their sortie.
90 magazine space seems a bit small - are you intending to have colliers come along with your fleet? If so, you might consider using the magazine space for other modules instead.