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Posted by: skoormit
« on: July 10, 2020, 08:00:40 AM »

Quote from: Lurker on July 10, 2020, 04:29:13 AM
I can't find effect on financial centers.
No effect or I watch wrong way?

I am mistaken.
I was thinking of the Manufacturing Efficiency Modifier, which affects everything I listed.

I tested just now with negative wealth, and you are correct. No effect on financial centre income.

Posted by: Lurker
« on: July 10, 2020, 04:29:13 AM »

EPM affects anything that is produced by an installation that requires workers.

As in, the output of all of these installations:
...
Financial Centres
[/quote]

I can't find effect on financial centers.
No effect or I watch wrong way?
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: July 10, 2020, 03:53:13 AM »

It doesn't affect mining, although maybe it should
Posted by: skoormit
« on: July 09, 2020, 07:17:42 PM »

Quote from: Lurker on July 09, 2020, 11:29:43 AM
I don't' understand.
Quote
the Economic Production Modifier would be 80%.  This modifier affects all of your production (factories, shipyards, etc. )
if EPM no effect on mining what else besides factories and shipyards have effect from EPM? All factories(as fighter factory, ordnance factory) and nothing else?

EPM affects anything that is produced by an installation that requires workers.
EDIT: I am mistaken. I was thinking of the Manufacturing Efficiency Modifier, which affects everything I listed.

As in, the output of all of these installations:
Construction Factories
Fighter Factories
Ordnance Factories
Mines
Research Facilities
Shipyards
Ground Unit Training
Terraforming Installations
Fuel Refineries
Maintenance Facilities
Financial Centres
Posted by: Lurker
« on: July 09, 2020, 11:29:43 AM »

I don't' understand.
Quote
the Economic Production Modifier would be 80%.  This modifier affects all of your production (factories, shipyards, etc. )
if EPM no effect on mining what else besides factories and shipyards have effect from EPM? All factories(as fighter factory, ordnance factory) and nothing else?
Posted by: skoormit
« on: July 09, 2020, 08:42:32 AM »

Quote from: Lurker on July 09, 2020, 01:24:53 AM
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This modifier affects all of your production (factories, shipyards, etc. )
Mb i see something wrong, but it's look as no effect on mining(I se no effect on mining page).
Mining is not a production or i make mistake?

At the bottom of the Mining tab you should see a panel called "Mining Modifiers."
This panel has a column called "Manu Effic" which is the manufacturing efficiency modifier.
This modifier applies to normal mines only. Does not apply to auto mines or orbital mines.
Posted by: Lurker
« on: July 09, 2020, 01:24:53 AM »

Quote
This modifier affects all of your production (factories, shipyards, etc. )
Mb i see something wrong, but it's look as no effect on mining(I se no effect on mining page).
Mining is not a production or i make mistake?
Quote
I think you win the prize for the oldest resurrected thread :)
I have the power  ;D
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: July 08, 2020, 05:15:47 AM »

Quote from: Lurker on July 08, 2020, 02:03:43 AM
What happens when i make wealth below zero?
How deep i can make wealth below zero?

I think you win the prize for the oldest resurrected thread :)

When wealth goes below zero, it reduces the Economic Production Modifier (on the Population summary near the bottom of the middle column). This is calculated as -(Current Wealth / Annual Wealth).

For example, if you annual wealth is 10,000 and your current wealth is -2000, the Economic Production Modifier would be 80%. This modifier affects all of your production (factories, shipyards, etc.). The minimum value is 1%.
Posted by: Lurker
« on: July 08, 2020, 02:03:43 AM »

What happens when i make wealth below zero?
How deep i can make wealth below zero?
Posted by: Balibar
« on: February 03, 2010, 10:05:39 AM »

Quote from: "sloanjh"
It's just like putting a mine on a colony with a governor with a mining bonus - the governor's bonus applies to the production units that he governs.  (At least I assume that this is how Steve has coded this up.)  So when you're trying to decide where to build a new financial center, the best place is a colony with high wealth bonus.  This is different from the financial center vs. wealth efficiency trade-off (neglecting the 2nd order effect of the governors bonus affecting the ROI any financial centers that are built on his colony).

John
Thank you.  I am on the same page now.
Posted by: sloanjh
« on: February 03, 2010, 08:56:50 AM »

Quote from: "Balibar"
Quote from: "sloanjh"
The benefits from both wealth creation and financial centers are global.  

John
All of your points were very good ones.  Thank you for clearing the above issue up.  But are the effects of financial centers really global?  Let's say I have two colonies and on one colony my governor has a 20% Wealth bonus.  If I put a financial center on the colony with the bonus, do I see the effect of 1 million colonists on that colony?  Or do I see the effect of 1 million colonists averaged over the Empire?

It's just like putting a mine on a colony with a governor with a mining bonus - the governor's bonus applies to the production units that he governs.  (At least I assume that this is how Steve has coded this up.)  So when you're trying to decide where to build a new financial center, the best place is a colony with high wealth bonus.  This is different from the financial center vs. wealth efficiency trade-off (neglecting the 2nd order effect of the governors bonus affecting the ROI any financial centers that are built on his colony).

John
Posted by: Balibar
« on: February 03, 2010, 07:36:33 AM »

Quote from: "sloanjh"
The benefits from both wealth creation and financial centers are global.  

John
All of your points were very good ones.  Thank you for clearing the above issue up.  But are the effects of financial centers really global?  Let's say I have two colonies and on one colony my governor has a 20% Wealth bonus.  If I put a financial center on the colony with the bonus, do I see the effect of 1 million colonists on that colony?  Or do I see the effect of 1 million colonists averaged over the Empire?
Posted by: sloanjh
« on: February 02, 2010, 11:58:17 PM »

Quote from: "Balibar"
So, you get much more bang on Earth by researching 'Wealth Creation' which is a proxy for productivity than by building Financial Centers.  It would take 50 financial centers to be as effective as a 10% improvement in 'Wealth Creation' with a population of 500 million.

Depends :-)

John
Posted by: Balibar
« on: February 02, 2010, 09:33:19 PM »

Quote from: "Lafe Sparhawk"
" But a small colony would get more bang with a Financial Center."

You must consider also that the financial center must be built on the said colony. Depending on how high a population you consider a new colony becomes a small colony, the ammount of manufacturing you can support makes the project prohibitively long.

Lafe
Good point!
Posted by: Lafe Sparhawk
« on: February 02, 2010, 03:54:04 PM »

" But a small colony would get more bang with a Financial Center."

You must consider also that the financial center must be built on the said colony. Depending on how high a population you consider a new colony becomes a small colony, the ammount of manufacturing you can support makes the project prohibitively long.

Lafe