Aurora 4x
New Players => The Academy => Topic started by: Iestwyn on November 28, 2020, 10:36:41 PM
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Is there a guide somewhere on maximizing shipyard performance? Retooling, refitting, and "secondary classes" are all a bit hazy for me; my shipyards are constantly retooling, and I know that wastes a lot of resources and time.
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Is there a guide somewhere on maximizing shipyard performance? Retooling, refitting, and "secondary classes" are all a bit hazy for me; my shipyards are constantly retooling, and I know that wastes a lot of resources and time.
If you are constantly retooling then you either have too many classes per shipyard or not enough shipyards per class.
Looks same but it's not.
Too many classes per shipyard meaning you may have some ships which could serve the same role bringing down the classes needed from let's say 3 to 1 and consequentially you will end up needing fewer Shipyards. For instance, having GEO and GRAV together already reduce classes from 2 to 1 or explorer with GEO and GRAV from 3 to 1.
Not enough shipyards per class meaning that if you do have 10 active designs, you ideally want to have 10 shipyards tooled for purpose. The one ship that you are planning to build only once could be done under a "service" shipyard which will be mostly retooling every now and then while the others will retool only when a class is being updated. Usually, such shipyard has only 2 or 3 slipways.
In my opinion some retooling it's still organic and should be taken into account.
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Is there a guide somewhere on maximizing shipyard performance? Retooling, refitting, and "secondary classes" are all a bit hazy for me; my shipyards are constantly retooling, and I know that wastes a lot of resources and time.
If you are constantly retooling then you either have too many classes per shipyard or not enough shipyards per class.
Looks same but it's not.
Too many classes per shipyard meaning you may have some ships which could serve the same role bringing down the classes needed from let's say 3 to 1 and consequentially you will end up needing fewer Shipyards. For instance, having GEO and GRAV together already reduce classes from 2 to 1 or explorer with GEO and GRAV from 3 to 1.
Not enough shipyards per class meaning that if you do have 10 active designs, you ideally want to have 10 shipyards tooled for purpose. The one ship that you are planning to build only once could be done under a "service" shipyard which will be mostly retooling every now and then while the others will retool only when a class is being updated. Usually, such shipyard has only 2 or 3 slipways.
In my opinion some retooling it's still organic and should be taken into account.
Lots of notes already; thanks!
A couple more questions: one, how would I reduce the cost of retooling itself? I'm not sure how it's calculated, so I don't know whether I can design ships that require less drastic retooling.
Two, how can I design ships so that multiple classes can be built from one shipyard? I know it's possible, but I don't know what's involved. I think there was actually a way to see a class's "secondary classes" in VB6, but I haven't found it in C#.
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Is there a guide somewhere on maximizing shipyard performance? Retooling, refitting, and "secondary classes" are all a bit hazy for me; my shipyards are constantly retooling, and I know that wastes a lot of resources and time.
If you are constantly retooling then you either have too many classes per shipyard or not enough shipyards per class.
Looks same but it's not.
Too many classes per shipyard meaning you may have some ships which could serve the same role bringing down the classes needed from let's say 3 to 1 and consequentially you will end up needing fewer Shipyards. For instance, having GEO and GRAV together already reduce classes from 2 to 1 or explorer with GEO and GRAV from 3 to 1.
Not enough shipyards per class meaning that if you do have 10 active designs, you ideally want to have 10 shipyards tooled for purpose. The one ship that you are planning to build only once could be done under a "service" shipyard which will be mostly retooling every now and then while the others will retool only when a class is being updated. Usually, such shipyard has only 2 or 3 slipways.
In my opinion some retooling it's still organic and should be taken into account.
Lots of notes already; thanks!
A couple more questions: one, how would I reduce the cost of retooling itself? I'm not sure how it's calculated, so I don't know whether I can design ships that require less drastic retooling.
Two, how can I design ships so that multiple classes can be built from one shipyard? I know it's possible, but I don't know what's involved. I think there was actually a way to see a class's "secondary classes" in VB6, but I haven't found it in C#.
1 - There is a tech that let you reduce costs and time for retooling
2 - There is a rule for that that also help you to understand costs in question 1 here: http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=8495.msg117467#msg117467
With the new rules, you will find it easier to use some Naval Shipyards to build also small Commercial Troop Transport and Freighters as they are cheap (less than 10k tons). My corvettes are all 9,000 tons and their shipyards can also build a 5k capacity troop transport and a 5k capacity freighter which are both of 9,000 tons or less displacement.
Patriot-I PD class Corvette 9,000 tons 217 Crew 1,285.2 BP TCS 180 TH 647 EM 0
3593 km/s Armour 4-38 Shields 0-0 HTK 71 Sensors 6/6/0/0 DCR 14 PPV 71.82
Maint Life 2.69 Years MSP 757 AFR 162% IFR 2.2% 1YR 149 5YR 2,240 Max Repair 129.12 MSP
Commander Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 1 months Morale Check Required
Ion Drive (Ship) (3) Power 646.9 Fuel Use 81.06% Signature 215.62 Explosion 11%
Fuel Capacity 700,000 Litres Range 17.3 billion km (55 days at full power)
Quad 10cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x4) Range 90,000km TS: 30000 km/s Power 12-12 RM 30,000 km ROF 5
Beam Fire Control R96-TS5000 (2) Max Range: 96,000 km TS: 5,000 km/s 90 79 69 58 48 38 27 17 6 0
Gas-Cooled Fast Reactor (Medium) (3) Total Power Output 59.4 Exp 5%
Anti-Missile Search Sensor AS5-R1 (1) GPS 16 Range 5.5m km MCR 497.5k km Resolution 1
Commercial GPS (1) GPS 1600 Range 25.7m km Resolution 100
Commercial TH (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 19.4m km
Commercial EM (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 19.4m km
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
UNEC Sparrow-I class Troop Transport 9,000 tons 65 Crew 300.3 BP TCS 180 TH 313 EM 0
1736 km/s Armour 1-38 Shields 0-0 HTK 31 Sensors 6/6/0/0 DCR 1 PPV 0
MSP 20 Max Repair 80 MSP
Troop Capacity 5,000 tons Cargo Shuttle Multiplier 2
Lieutenant Commander Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months
Commercial Ion Drive (Low Fuel) (2) Power 312.5 Fuel Use 7.83% Signature 156.25 Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 414,000 Litres Range 105.8 billion km (705 days at full power)
Commercial GPS (1) GPS 1000 Range 18.5m km Resolution 100
Commercial EM (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 19.4m km
Commercial TH (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 19.4m km
This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes
UNEC Centaur-I class Freighter 7,500 tons 40 Crew 179.5 BP TCS 150 TH 156 EM 0
1041 km/s Armour 1-34 Shields 0-0 HTK 17 Sensors 6/6/0/0 DCR 1 PPV 0
MSP 14 Max Repair 39.0625 MSP
Cargo 5,000 Cargo Shuttle Multiplier 2
Lieutenant Commander Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months
Commercial Ion Drive (1) Power 156.2 Fuel Use 8.94% Signature 156.25 Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 226,000 Litres Range 60.6 billion km (673 days at full power)
Commercial GPS (1) GPS 1000 Range 18.5m km Resolution 100
Commercial EM (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 19.4m km
Commercial TH (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 19.4m km
This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes
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Okay, got some ideas to try out now. Thanks!
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The refit cost viewing thing is missing from C# ship design. In the meantime, we have:
Iceranger's ship optimizer can load the ship designs from your save file and calculate the refit costs for you. It'll also autogenerate bridging hulls, which are ship designs you can tool the shipyard to so that it can build any of the input designs.
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The refit cost viewing thing is missing from C# ship design. In the meantime, we have:
Iceranger's ship optimizer can load the ship designs from your save file and calculate the refit costs for you. It'll also autogenerate bridging hulls, which are ship designs you can tool the shipyard to so that it can build any of the input designs.
That's AWESOME. I feel like I've only scratched the surface with the optimizer; seems like there's a lot of useful stuff there.