Post by: waresky on April 16, 2010, 12:07:09 PM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on April 16, 2010, 12:48:11 PM
Steve
Post by: waresky on April 16, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
This is meant to be a surprise for new players so I have added spoiler tags and changed the title :oops:
am an ur too "fanatical" supporter...*grin.
please erase this post..better got same as mine "BIG EYES Surprise" for newly playes on 5.1..
Post by: UnLimiTeD on April 16, 2010, 02:01:39 PM
Unless that is a feint.
Post by: sloanjh on April 16, 2010, 09:27:20 PM
John
Post by: Jetman123 on April 29, 2010, 04:13:49 PM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on May 06, 2010, 04:54:39 AM
Quote from: "Jetman123"
You got me curious now. I'm unlikely to see the new stuff, since I usually lose interest in my games after doing something moronic two years in. What's this new alien race?[spoiler:3spxsm3r]The new aliens are known as the Invaders and are an extra-galactic race. They arrive in our galaxy via Stable Wormholes that they generate from their home galaxy. They have two new tech systems, which require several supporting background techs that you can learn about from salvaging the wrecks of their ships. This is their third incursion into our galaxy. During the first, they encountered the Precursors, who were an advanced but relatively peaceful race, and attacked them on sight. Fortunately for the Precursors, this initial incursion was relatively small and the Precursors managed to fight them off with heavy losses. They caused a radical change in the outlook of the Precursors and they become extremely militant, focusing all their efforts on ensuring they were never threatened again. To this end, the Precursors built fleets of robot ships with a mission to wipe out all civilizations that showed any sign of being a threat. All their preparation came to nought when the second Invader incursion arrived via a Stable Wormhole in the Precursor home system. The widely dispersed Precursor robot fleets could not intervene in time and the Invaders wiped out the Precursors. The fleets of Precursor ships were left without central control and either remained in orbit over the ruins of their last victims or were trapped in systems without access to jump-capable ships. The Precursors didn't go down without a fight and inflicted massive losses on the Invaders, who called off their invasion. Now the Invaders have built up their forces again and are about to launch their third and largest incursion.[/spoiler:3spxsm3r]
Steve
Post by: waresky on May 06, 2010, 10:03:54 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
[spoiler:6iqcu4lg]and found me..humanQuote from: "Jetman123"You got me curious now. I'm unlikely to see the new stuff, since I usually lose interest in my games after doing something moronic two years in. What's this new alien race?[spoiler:6iqcu4lg]The new aliens are known as the Invaders and are an extra-galactic race. They arrive in our galaxy via Stable Wormholes that they generate from their home galaxy. They have two new tech systems, which require several supporting background techs that you can learn about from salvaging the wrecks of their ships. This is their third incursion into our galaxy. During the first, they encountered the Precursors, who were an advanced but relatively peaceful race, and attacked them on sight. Fortunately for the Precursors, this initial incursion was relatively small and the Precursors managed to fight them off with heavy losses. They caused a radical change in the outlook of the Precursors and they become extremely militant, focusing all their efforts on ensuring they were never threatened again. To this end, the Precursors built fleets of robot ships with a mission to wipe out all civilizations that showed any sign of being a threat. All their preparation came to nought when the second Invader incursion arrived via a Stable Wormhole in the Precursor home system. The widely dispersed Precursor robot fleets could not intervene in time and the Invaders wiped out the Precursors. The fleets of Precursor ships were left without central control and either remained in orbit over the ruins of their last victims or were trapped in systems without access to jump-capable ships. The Precursors didn't go down without a fight and inflicted massive losses on the Invaders, who called off their invasion. Now the Invaders have built up their forces again and are about to launch their third and largest incursion.[/spoiler:6iqcu4lg]
Steve
a very DUMB race and uttelry un-prepared..Arf!!...LOL[/spoiler:6iqcu4lg]
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 19, 2010, 03:13:30 PM
Missile fighter swarms have worked best for my in killing them. Have to alpha wave them or the PA panels just dump the damage.
Plasma Torps are only seen on thermals for a short time and so far never on active so point defense is useless.
Since they spawn, salvage ships have became much more important stategicly.[/spoiler:1p2b18f3]
Post by: Steve Walmsley on May 20, 2010, 03:40:43 PM
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"
[spoiler:3dg1wpe5]Invaders are tough!! PA panels that can flush 300+ points of damage in less than a minute. Plasma Torps that travel at 80,000 kps and recycle quickly. and they appear to reproduce in a similair manor to Swarm!! (just had 2 popup around wreckage from their first incursion into Sol system and the wormhole is picketed!!)[spoiler:3dg1wpe5]You made the connection to PA Panels then
Missile fighter swarms have worked best for my in killing them. Have to alpha wave them or the PA panels just dump the damage.
Plasma Torps are only seen on thermals for a short time and so far never on active so point defense is useless.
Since they spawn, salvage ships have became much more important stategicly.[/spoiler:3dg1wpe5]
. The absorption shields also have some of the disadvantages of PA Panels as well. As you no doubt have guessed, the Invaders are based on the SFB Andromedans. Plasma Torps should show up on active. They did in testing because I was using point defence missiles to shoot them down. They don't spawn from wrecks though.[/spoiler:3dg1wpe5]Steve
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 20, 2010, 03:47:57 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"[spoiler:3336etpn]Invaders are tough!! PA panels that can flush 300+ points of damage in less than a minute. Plasma Torps that travel at 80,000 kps and recycle quickly. and they appear to reproduce in a similair manor to Swarm!! (just had 2 popup around wreckage from their first incursion into Sol system and the wormhole is picketed!!)[spoiler:3336etpn]You made the connection to PA Panels then :D
Missile fighter swarms have worked best for my in killing them. Have to alpha wave them or the PA panels just dump the damage.
Plasma Torps are only seen on thermals for a short time and so far never on active so point defense is useless.
Since they spawn, salvage ships have became much more important stategicly.[/spoiler:3336etpn]
Already figured that I was wrong about the spawning.
Plasma Torps are only showing on thermal and not active for me. Point defense, missiles or turrets, have not engaged incoming torps.[/spoiler:3336etpn]
Post by: Steve Walmsley on May 20, 2010, 03:58:33 PM
Btw, as far as the code is concerned, PT are just missiles. They aren't a separate type of object. Are you detecting missiles OK on actives?
Steve
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 20, 2010, 04:23:46 PM
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 21, 2010, 08:38:55 AM
Used my PDC counter missiles offensively and now they are functioning defensively.... Active sensors have been on the whole time. If and when I see a pattern I'll report it. For now disreguard as a bug, this may be something in my fire control setups that I'm not recognizing yet.
Post by: Beersatron on July 03, 2010, 09:19:44 PM
Post by: welchbloke on July 04, 2010, 03:53:41 AM
Quote from: "Beersatron"
Could somebody explain how the Absorption shields work? Do they recharge until you have knocked them flat and then that is it, they never come back up? I am fighting some Invaders now and they are taking everything I can throw at them - scary biscuitsThey are similar to Power Absorption Panels in SFB (no use if you have never played SFB of course!). Essentially, they absorb damage from weapons until they fill up and all damage passes through them. I think some damage 'leaks' before the shields are full. The value of the absorption panel is how much damage it can take until 'full'. Just to complicate matters they radiate damage thereby freeing up damage absorption potential. I'm not sure what the exact radiation rate is but it pretty much negates sniping with low damage weapons at long range. The only 2 tactics that have been reported to work so far (there are probably others) are a massive alpha strike that drops or seriously degrades the shields (overwhelm tactic) or using mesons (bypass tactic). Both tactics have drawbacks and the bypass tactic requires a large fleet to take losses whilst closing to optimal range.
Post by: Brian Neumann on July 04, 2010, 12:32:51 PM
Brian
Post by: Beersatron on July 04, 2010, 04:03:11 PM
3 12800 ton DEs came through a WH 110m km from one of my colonies, I sent all my FACs (15 of them with 8 size-5 box launchers) to alpha one of them and see what would happen. Got shield radiation reports but that is it.
So I brought up 2nd Fleet which has 6 CAs can dish out 10 size-5 missiles in first salvo (4 launchers are box) and 6 there after for about 8 reloads.
[spoiler:1nluv0s7]I cheated and looked in Developer mode, furthest into armor that I managed to penetrate was 6 rows out of the 10[/spoiler:1nluv0s7]
So, I had one last trick up my sleeve, 2 missile throwing PDCs on the colony plus a smaller wave of 2nd Generation FACs that just arrived. So I kited the DEs to my colony and once in range let loose.
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Semmes II class Missile Base 11500 tons 1720 Crew 2004.8 BP TCS 230 TH 0 EM 0
Armour 5-45 Sensors 1/252 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 150
Magazine 950
PDC Size 5 Missile Launcher (30) Missile Size 5 Rate of Fire 15
Anti Ship Missile Fire Control II (1) Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
Spectre Mk2 (190) Speed: 25,000 km/s End: 40m Range: 60m km WH: 6 Size: 5 TH: 216 / 130 / 65
Anti Ship Search Sensor II (1) GPS 5040 Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
ECCM-3 (1) Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 5 sections
Managed to kill one of the DEs and do armor damage to a second before ammo ran out. So I cheated and gave them a full reload since I hadn't stored any on this colony yet. Fired on the second target and just managed to kill it when ammo ran out again.
So I cheated again! Well, only slightly since I did have reloads for 2nd Fleet but not 100% (2nd Fleet is all first generation designs whilst the MB is 2nd Gen). Had 2nd Fleet advance, firing the 1st Gen missiles but not enough damage was getting through so I closed to my own AMM range and let rip with them too, finally killing the last DE.
So, I think I fired about 500 Mark 1 Spectre missiles (strength 5) and then 900 Mark 2 Spectre missiles (strength 6). Plus another couple hundred Mark 1 AMM missiles.
Since they were DEs they were intercepting quite a few of them and then my hit percentage was around 65% when they finally got through.
It took ~7900 damage to kill 3 12800 ton DEs .....
And now, the next wave of Invaders has arrived - 4x12800 tons and 6x3200 tons.
I have deployed my biggest and baddest Battleships (2 squadrons of 3 ships each) to the colony and also just completed another large PDC, plus ferried some reloads.
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Forrest class Battleship 40000 tons 3851 Crew 10032.2 BP TCS 800 TH 6093.75 EM 2700
10156 km/s Armour 14-104 Shields 90-360 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 43 PPV 120
Annual Failure Rate: 297% IFR: 4.1% Maint Capacity 6740 MSP Max Repair 252 MSP Est Time: 3.75 Years
Flag Bridge Magazine 1320
Military MCF Drive (65) Power 125 Fuel Use 60% Signature 93.75 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 1,000,000 Litres Range 75.0 billion km (85 days at full power)
Epsilon Shields (30) Total Fuel Cost 630 Litres per day
CIWS-200 (4x6) Range 1000 km TS: 20000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Size 5 Missile Launcher (24) Missile Size 5 Rate of Fire 30
Anti Ship Missile Fire Control II (2) Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
Spectre Mk2 (264) Speed: 25,000 km/s End: 40m Range: 60m km WH: 6 Size: 5 TH: 216 / 130 / 65
Anti Ship Search Sensor II (1) GPS 5040 Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
Long Range Search Sensor II (1) GPS 16800 Range 235.2m km Resolution 200
ECCM-3 (2) ECM 30
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
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Rommel II class Planetary Defence Centre 15100 tons 1645 Crew 3115.6 BP TCS 302 TH 0 EM 0
Armour 10-54 Sensors 1/252 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 116
Flag Bridge Magazine 1716
PDC Size 10 Missile Launcher (10) Missile Size 10 Rate of Fire 30
PDC Size 1 Missile Launcher (16) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Point Defence Missile Fire Control II (4) Range 3.5m km Resolution 1
Anti Ship Missile Fire Control II (1) Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
Phoenix Mk2 (716) Speed: 62,500 km/s End: 0.8m Range: 3m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 604 / 362 / 181
Hell Lance Mk2 (100) Speed: 25,000 km/s End: 40m Range: 60m km WH: 12 Size: 10 TH: 216 / 130 / 65
Point Defence Search Sensor II (1) GPS 252 Range 3.5m km Resolution 1
Long Range Search Sensor II (1) GPS 16800 Range 235.2m km Resolution 200
Anti Ship Search Sensor II (1) GPS 5040 Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
ECCM-3 (1) Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 7 sections
I had to send 2nd Fleet home to refuel, resupply and overhaul. Also sent the 1st Gen FACs home but managed to get my 2nd Gen FACs back with some new additions.
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Prince of Wales II class Fast Attack Craft 1000 tons 73 Crew 262 BP TCS 20 TH 216 EM 0
14400 km/s Armour 1-8 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 1 PPV 6
Annual Failure Rate: 8% IFR: 0.1% Maint Capacity 164 MSP Max Repair 90 MSP Est Time: 6.25 Years
Magazine 40
FAC MCF Drive (1) Power 287.5 Fuel Use 780% Signature 215.625 Armour 0 Exp 36%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres Range 23.1 billion km (18 days at full power)
Size 5 Box Launcher (8) Missile Size 5 Hangar Reload 37.5 minutes MF Reload 6.2 hours
Anti Ship Missile Fire Control II (1) Range 70.6m km Resolution 20
Spectre Mk2 (8) Speed: 25,000 km/s End: 40m Range: 60m km WH: 6 Size: 5 TH: 216 / 130 / 65
ECM 10
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s1st Fleet is stationed on Earth because the system beside Sol had a WH for over 10 years and the 2 times I went in for a look I detected 4 separate groups of active sensors.
This is the game that I was writing my fiction on. I stopped writing after their was a large lull in the action and I had to turtle up because I ran into another WH, blocking my expansion. I RP'd a massive military buildup with the Terrans thinking the Invaders/WHs are The Menace - which is the only reason I have the PDCs and BBs that I do have and is the only reason I haven't been wiped out.
Now, after saying all that, I think the Invaders are way way way overpowered and a game killer =/
[spoiler:1nluv0s7]I looked in Developer Mode, there must be about 50 Invader ships in my game atm - they are huge and I highly doubt I could take even 20% of them on. The 2 NPRs in my game would be smashed by just one fleet of 3 DEs[/spoiler:1nluv0s7]
Post by: Steve Walmsley on July 04, 2010, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: "Beersatron"
Now, after saying all that, I think the Invaders are way way way overpowered and a game killerI think they are overpowered too based on game reports and I will be toning down their numbers
. You can switch them off individually in v5.20. In v5.14 you can only switch them off by turning off precursors. [spoiler:3vegysa8]By far your best your best chance against them is using beam weapons in a jump point defence. Plasma Torps are powerful but relatively slow-firing[/spoiler:3vegysa8]
Steve
Post by: Beersatron on July 04, 2010, 04:56:13 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Beersatron"Now, after saying all that, I think the Invaders are way way way overpowered and a game killerI think they are overpowered too based on game reports and I will be toning down their numbers :)[/spoiler:1dkml70f]
Post by: waresky on July 05, 2010, 05:49:37 AM
And this "new" (some others use this tactics from months) doctrine are winner choice.
But..need VERY powerful engine,high level Armor coverage (+30) and very powerful Beam tech.
But r possible..
[spoiler:3kpj0tpm]But not toward "Invaders" this being are too powerful,are TOO many ships and too big..
[/spoiler:3kpj0tpm]
Post by: welchbloke on July 05, 2010, 05:53:41 AM
Quote from: "waresky"
[spoiler:14pqqjvs]How many Invader ships are spawning? I've never seen them in groups larger than 3.[/spoiler:14pqqjvs]
[spoiler:14pqqjvs]But not toward "Invaders" this being are too powerful,are TOO many ships and too big..
Post by: Hawkeye on July 05, 2010, 12:56:25 PM
Quote from: "welchbloke"
Quote from: "waresky"[spoiler:1f1q6tjh]How many Invader ships are spawning? I've never seen them in groups larger than 3.[/spoiler:1f1q6tjh]
[spoiler:1f1q6tjh]But not toward "Invaders" this being are too powerful,are TOO many ships and too big..
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The Wipemuck Plasma BB is a 32.000t ship, armed with 8 x Class-32 Plasma Torpedos, Strength 750 shields with a recharge rate of 170
The Muckcom is a ships class, I haven´t encountered so far.
So, at least a 8-ship squadron is possible
Note: This is in the homesystem of an allied NPR (which is doomed, I fear, even though I am mobilizing my mobile fleet right now to come to their aid).
Post by: welchbloke on July 05, 2010, 01:10:29 PM
Post by: Hawkeye on July 05, 2010, 01:59:07 PM
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Ok, my fleet is _not_ going to be able to stop them. I am torn between sending it in regardless (rollplaying political preasure and "it´s a question of honor" stuff) and calling it back in terror, trying to bolster the defense of sol.
Post by: welchbloke on July 05, 2010, 02:18:42 PM
Post by: Starkiller on July 06, 2010, 08:12:31 PM
of the system from Gamma and the JP. I ordered Gamma back to the JP. What am I dealing with here? If half of what I hear is true, do I even have a chance?
One major question though. Does the wormhole stay in the system, or does it move to other systems. I'm thinking of a JP defense as even my 25cm lasers have
a 5 second ROF. How effective are lasers? I hear missles are problematical.
Eric
Post by: welchbloke on July 07, 2010, 01:18:12 AM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
I just had the wormhole appear in a deadend system I was geosurveying, at the edge of Terran Space. Fortunately, the wormhole was on the opposite sideAs the WH is not in a key system, then regardless of your tech, you have a chance. You are dealing with a race that can deploy 64000 tonne, 10000 km/s max speed, plasma torpedo firing monsters. They have a shield system that absorbs damage (allowing some to leak through an hit their level 10 armour) until the shields are full, then you just have to punch a hole in the armour :)
of the system from Gamma and the JP. I ordered Gamma back to the JP. What am I dealing with here? If half of what I hear is true, do I even have a chance?
Eric[/quote]
The WH moves over time and can appear in any surveyed system in the game. Can't comment on laser effectiveness as I have never used them in combat against the Invaders. It has been reported that the Invaders can appear several million km away from the WH when they jump in. MIssiles do work you just need to use overwhelming salvos. Another technique you may wish to consider is sitting on the only JP in the system. The Invaders fire at the largest target (normally), so if you can determine who is targeted get them to jump out and in. The plasma torpedoes self-destruct if they lose lock on a target. I did this in one of my battles with the Invaders and I only lost a single ship when I moved off the JP and attempted to pursue.
Post by: lastverb on July 07, 2010, 06:40:47 AM
I have started communication attempts that lasted few months. They turn hostile after failure and started getting range. I had just one frigate squadron on earth (5000 tons 1x jump ship with 90 box launchers 2x gauss escorts with 80 boxes each and 2x missile frigs with 20 normal launchers). All missiles are size 2 with strength 4 warhead. I thought i have some firepower so just shot all of 250 boxes with no visible effect, so my pdcs helped with 5x18 launchers. I destroyed that single ship when boxes reloaded. Invader was shooting my freighters all the time so i survived with just 10 lost freighters (they were loading mines atm) and out of missiles.
I had no problem with detecting torpedos on active, even shot some with gauss and AMMs from pdc, but destroyed only one (small chance of hit and THEY SEEM ARMORED). So they will be back, they started surveying systems i dont know (no nprs ingame so far) AND THEY HAVE IRAN THEME
that one 64k tons monster would eat my whole fleet on breakfast (just another frig squad, a 10k tons missile destro squad, and nearly build 12.5k tons l.cruiser squad mainly armed with big railguns and some boxes).I started to love that boxes when had to fight star swarm near ideal habitable planet - they weight just 15tons per launcher with single missile and no magazine needed (i could get 3-4 missiles with magazine same size)
Post by: welchbloke on July 07, 2010, 07:27:13 AM
Quote from: "lastverb"
I have encountered invaders for the first time. They had a neutral status at start and wh apperead 1j from sol (didnt know wh was a new aliens then) and i have just started colonising first world in another system. One 12800 ton ship orbited earth (neutral status so far) and another smaller ship passed from one jp to another in outer system.
I have started communication attempts that lasted few months. They turn hostile after failure and started getting range. I had just one frigate squadron on earth (5000 tons 1x jump ship with 90 box launchers 2x gauss escorts with 80 boxes each and 2x missile frigs with 20 normal launchers). All missiles are size 2 with strength 4 warhead. I thought i have some firepower so just shot all of 250 boxes with no visible effect, so my pdcs helped with 5x18 launchers. I destroyed that single ship when boxes reloaded. Invader was shooting my freighters all the time so i survived with just 10 lost freighters (they were loading mines atm) and out of missiles.
I had no problem with detecting torpedos on active, even shot some with gauss and AMMs from pdc, but destroyed only one (small chance of hit and THEY SEEM ARMORED). So they will be back, they started surveying systems i dont know (no nprs ingame so far) AND THEY HAVE IRAN THEME :twisted:
Post by: Vanigo on August 19, 2010, 08:49:41 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
How are you supposed to use beam weapons against a ship that moves 16000 km/s and has ECM 60? Short of being 30 years into the game when they first show up, I mean. Seriously, the things can get out of range in a single five-second step. I'm starting a new game with a 3 billion starting population now; that way I might have a snowball's chance in Hell. (Or is their tech level based on your starting tech?)Quote from: "Beersatron"Now, after saying all that, I think the Invaders are way way way overpowered and a game killerI think they are overpowered too based on game reports and I will be toning down their numbers
[spoiler:5qfh4a3r]By far your best your best chance against them is using beam weapons in a jump point defence. Plasma Torps are powerful but relatively slow-firing[/spoiler:5qfh4a3r]
Steve
(Oh, and exactly how much damage does it take to pop a plasma torpedo, anyway? Is it a fixed amount?)
Post by: Erik L on August 19, 2010, 10:19:38 PM
Quote from: "Vanigo"
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"How are you supposed to use beam weapons against a ship that moves 16000 km/s and has ECM 60? Short of being 30 years into the game when they first show up, I mean. Seriously, the things can get out of range in a single five-second step. I'm starting a new game with a 3 billion starting population now; that way I might have a snowball's chance in Hell. (Or is their tech level based on your starting tech?)Quote from: "Beersatron"Now, after saying all that, I think the Invaders are way way way overpowered and a game killerI think they are overpowered too based on game reports and I will be toning down their numbers
[spoiler:3trp7k1f]By far your best your best chance against them is using beam weapons in a jump point defence. Plasma Torps are powerful but relatively slow-firing[/spoiler:3trp7k1f]
Steve
(Oh, and exactly how much damage does it take to pop a plasma torpedo, anyway? Is it a fixed amount?)
4,000km/s tracking speed. Turret with a 16k speed, and 4x size for speed fire control. ECM will be a bitch though.
Post by: welchbloke on August 20, 2010, 03:45:21 AM
Post by: Vanigo on August 21, 2010, 12:27:47 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
4,000km/s tracking speed. Turret with a 16k speed, and 4x size for speed fire control. ECM will be a bitch though.How's that help? That'd get me one volley off before they get out of range - and that's if the fleet is at 100% TF training. I'd need about a hundred mesons per enemy ship to do any serious damage.
I know you can turn them off now, but I really want a chance to play around with them; just not at a hopeless tech disadvantage.
Post by: Hawkeye on August 21, 2010, 01:11:43 PM
Post by: Vanigo on August 21, 2010, 02:02:12 PM