Posted by: coldsteel
« on: November 20, 2006, 10:43:08 AM »Or his fourth point of contact... lol
Posted by: RoguePhoenix
« on: November 19, 2006, 03:01:54 PM »
Yah I know but at least you know Steve didn't pull it outta thin air hehehPosted by: coldsteel
« on: November 19, 2006, 01:47:31 PM »Quote from: "RoguePhoenix"
Found it. In SM2 Rev #1 rule 15.09.03.3 under special cases One strategic turn operations 15.09.03.2.3b (page 96) Machine shops used for prefab assembly works at 1/2 rate of shipyard modules as this is largely a construction process. (or a 1x build rate at 50% cost (fast assembly)).
Of course I don't know if this was changed in the UR or not that will be up to you to look up
Actually, it changed in 3rdR. rule 09.07.02, page 54. 'Assembly of prefabricated components occurs at the basic
build rate but can be accelerated to 2 times that rate for an
additional cost of 50% of the assembled unit.' Remember, order of precedence is UTM, 3rdR, SM2, then ISF.
Posted by: RoguePhoenix
« on: November 18, 2006, 11:45:02 PM »Found it. In SM2 Rev #1 rule 15.09.03.3 under special cases One strategic turn operations 15.09.03.2.3b (page 96) Machine shops used for prefab assembly works at 1/2 rate of shipyard modules as this is largely a construction process. (or a 1x build rate at 50% cost (fast assembly)).
Of course I don't know if this was changed in the UR or not that will be up to you to look up
Of course I don't know if this was changed in the UR or not that will be up to you to look up
Posted by: coldsteel
« on: November 18, 2006, 12:21:35 PM »Well, I now have no idea where you got 1/2 rate.
ISF states 10 HS/month flat for assembly, no option for fast assembly. 3rdR and SM#2 both state base rate for assembly and 2x base for fast assembly. MAYBE 1/2 rate was in the original 3rd edition, but that came out before ISF...
ISF states 10 HS/month flat for assembly, no option for fast assembly. 3rdR and SM#2 both state base rate for assembly and 2x base for fast assembly. MAYBE 1/2 rate was in the original 3rd edition, but that came out before ISF...
Posted by: coldsteel
« on: November 17, 2006, 10:39:01 PM »I think that's from ISF or SM2, I'll check later.
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: November 17, 2006, 12:51:17 PM »Quote from: "coldsteel"
Steve, just noticed that SA reports assembly and fast assembly rates for MSx as half of what they should be, but assigning the full rate to a project. This has the effect of only allowing half as many projects as MS in the complex. It assigns the correct capacities to SY and SYM.
SA has a constant showing the assembly rate as half for Machine shops. I checked the Unified Rules and it appears that MS are identical to SY except they cannot construct ships. I am not sure why the half rate is in there but it must be from an earlier rule that was superseded. Corrected for the next version.
Steve
Posted by: coldsteel
« on: November 17, 2006, 10:56:59 AM »Steve, just noticed that SA reports assembly and fast assembly rates for MSx as half of what they should be, but assigning the full rate to a project. This has the effect of only allowing half as many projects as MS in the complex. It assigns the correct capacities to SY and SYM.
