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Military Ship Designs
« on: May 31, 2011, 02:08:12 PM »
After consultation with admiralty heads and experts in the field. The TFN is contracting ship designs for the following roles:
1. An armored, fast, energy weapon range combatant.
2. A missile boat, with a range of perhaps 30m km, and enough launchers and magazines for an extended fight.
3. A fleet defense ship with the speed to keep up with the missile boats and anti missile capability, this can come through AM use or turret based energy weapons.

General Requirements: All three classes must be able to double as long range pickets, particularly the EW ships, as they will be ideal for jump point defense, they will need ample fuel and maintenance supplies, and a damage control installation would be looked upon kindly. 
A jump tender will also be needed, this could be a dedicated platform or by using jump capable survey craft.

A modern navy will need to fight at any range, I believe these three designs will be a step towards that goal
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2011, 04:02:15 PM »
I would add that it be either exactly or very close to 9,000 tons as that is the size of our only shipyard and taking the time to expand is time we could be spending making ships.

George Payne
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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2011, 12:26:17 AM »
At this time, critical shortages in research personnel and shipyard capacity prevent us from building more than a single military design.  It is for this reason I urge the design of a more general-purpose ship, something that can fulfil both the first and third roles given above.
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2011, 02:53:56 AM »
Arkayn Manufacturing (Arkayn Mfg) is putting forth a bid on the government contract for a missile armed ship.
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AMX-1 Crossbow class Missile Destroyer    9,000 tons     828 Crew     825.3 BP      TCS 180  TH 375  EM 0
2083 km/s     Armour 5-38     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 30
Annual Failure Rate: 216%    IFR: 3%    Maint Capacity 172 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 0.8 Years
Magazine 170   

Arkayn Mfg NTE-25 (15)    Power 25    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 25    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres    Range 40.0 billion km   (222 days at full power)

Arkayn Mfg Stiletto M-3 Launcher (10)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 90
Arkayn Mfg Spotlight R-30 MFC (2)     Range 30.0m km    Resolution 100
Stiletto Mk 1 (56)  Speed: 12,500 km/s   End: 40m    Range: 30m km   WH: 2    Size: 3    TH: 41 / 25 / 12

Arkayn Mfg C-50 Search Scanner (1)     GPS 10000     Range 50.0m km    Resolution 100

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The AMX-1 would require the following components constructed.
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Arkayn Mfg C-50 Search Scanner

Active Sensor Strength: 100   Sensitivity Modifier: 50%
Sensor Size: 10 HS    Sensor HTK: 1
Resolution: 100    Maximum Range vs 5000 ton object (or larger): 50,000,000 km
Range vs 1000 ton object: 2,000,000 km
Range vs 250 ton object: 125,000 km
Chance of destruction by electronic damage: 100%
Cost: 100    Crew: 50
Materials Required: 25x Duranium  75x Uridium

Development Cost for Project: 1000RP
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Arkayn Mfg Spotlight R-30 MFC

Active Sensor Strength: 20   Sensitivity Modifier: 50%
Sensor Size: 2 HS    Sensor HTK: 1
Resolution: 100    Maximum Range vs 5000 ton object (or larger): 30,000,000 km
Range vs 1000 ton object: 1,200,000 km
Range vs 250 ton object: 75,000 km
Chance of destruction by electronic damage: 100%
Cost: 20    Crew: 10
Materials Required: 5x Duranium  15x Uridium

Development Cost for Project: 200RP
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Arkayn Mfg NTE-25

Power Output: 25     Explosion Chance: 5     Efficiency: 1    Thermal Signature: 25
Engine Size: 5 HS    Engine HTK: 2     Internal Armour: 0
Cost: 12    Crew: 25
Materials Required: 3x Duranium  0x Neutronium  9x Gallicite

Development Cost for Project: 120RP
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Arkayn Mfg Stiletto M-3 Launcher

Maximum Missile Size: 3     Rate of Fire: 90 seconds
Launcher Size: 3 HS    Launcher HTK: 2
Cost Per Launcher: 12    Crew Per Launcher: 30
Materials Required: 3x Duranium  9x Tritanium

Development Cost for Project: 120RP
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Stiletto Mk 1

Missile Size: 3 MSP  (0.15 HS)     Warhead: 2    Armour: 0     Manoeuvre Rating: 10
Speed: 12500 km/s    Endurance: 40 minutes   Range: 30.0m km
Cost Per Missile: 1.125
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 125%   3k km/s 40%   5k km/s 25%   10k km/s 12.5%
Materials Required:    0.5x Tritanium   0.375x Gallicite   Fuel x1250

Development Cost for Project: 112RP
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Arkayn Mfg M-70 Magazine

Capacity: 70     Internal Armour: 0.28 HS     Explosion Chance: 30
Magazine Size: 5 HS    Magazine HTK: 2
Cost: 26.4    Crew: 8
Materials Required: 7.65x Duranium  0x Neutronium  18.75x Tritanium

Development Cost for Project: 264RP

This design meets the Senator's request for a 30m km engagement range and a sufficient broadside and recycle rate for an extended engagement.

Thomas Arkayn

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2011, 04:44:27 PM »
Initial design proposal for Military Space vessel contract.
Submitted by Global Defense Systems Inc. (GSD)
Submitted on: June 6th 2060

Proposal White Knight Energy Weapon Destroyer

The shortage of Sorium has forced the military to consider a defense fleet not completely reliant on consumable missiles to protect the Earth and its people. We here at GDS have evaluated all currently available technology and have put together this proposal for the White Knight class Destroyer, along with a couple of variations.

First a summary of how we arrive at our design. Both Railguns and Gauss cannons were considered, but quickly discarded for one simple reason. Even the best systems had a range of but 10k km. This was deemed insufficient. The Meson cannon was also considered, and for a longer time as its ability to ignore potential defenses made its low damage and only marginally longer range more attractive, but in the end not sufficiently so. Eventually a compromise design using both Particle and Laser beams was developed.

For protection an armor level of 3 was fairly quickly decided on. This offered the best level of protection and speed. The thickness of the armor is such that a single laser hit will not penetrate to the interior of the ship, but only just. It would take many missile hits of the size proposed by the Arkayn group to wear it away and currently no missile known to be on the drawing boards would cause non-armor damage with a single hit.

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GDX-A White Knight - PL class Destroyer    9,000 tons     894 Crew     635.5 BP      TCS 180  TH 375  EM 0
2083 km/s     Armour 3-38     Shields 0-0     Sensors 5/5/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 38
Annual Failure Rate: 432%    IFR: 6%    Maint Capacity 1066 MSP    Max Repair 80 MSP    Est Time: 2.03 Years

Korolyov MilSpec NPE 10-1/1 10 (15)    Power 25    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 25    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 220,000 Litres    Range 44.0 billion km   (244 days at full power)

Keio Dual 10cm-4rpm 800nm Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 30,000km     TS: 5000 km/s     Power 6-2     RM 1    ROF 15        3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Xiaofeng Particle Cannon 2.60.25 (4)    Range 60,000km     TS: 2083 km/s     Power 5-1    ROF 25        2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0 0 0
Elta 30-2.5 Tracking Array (1)    Max Range: 60,000 km   TS: 2500 km/s     69 55 41 27 14 0 0 0 0 0
Elta 20-5 Tracking Array (1)    Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
GE PWR 400 (2)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%

NorGrum 5-40 Search (1)     GPS 8000     Range 40.0m km    Resolution 100
OEPS Thermal-5.50 (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
Rafael Kingfisher-5 EM Detector (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The notable features of this design are a combined main armament of 4 particle beams with a 60k km maximum range and 4 lasers capable of 4 shots per minute in 2 dual turrets capable of tracking at 5000 km/sec. These weapons are matched respectively to the 30-2.5 and 20-5 targeting arrays, allowing near maximum performance while conserving weight. Reactor power is precisely tuned to requirements, though there is no extra capacity. Some basic survivability is provided by utilizing 2 reactors. Likewise either fire control can serve as a backup for each other, but neither would utilize the other weapon to its full capabilities.

The 4 turret mounted laser should fill the defensive role envisioned in an escort, but can be used in the offensive role if the situation and range permits. It was this last point that forced our team to dismiss any idea of mounting any CWIS system. They were simply too large and single purpose to be effective. The turret mounts were considered essential for tracking purposes, considering the performance that the base Arkayn Mfg Stiletto Mk1 demonstrated. Even still we feel that 5000 km/s tracking is only marginally accurate, but it was the best we could do.

To fulfill the early warning/scout and picket role a general search sensor was included. Ideally this system should be on a dedicated scout, but if we are forced to live with a single class it had to be included here. Should commonality with other designs be an issue one Arkayn Mfg C-50 scanner could replace both the NorGrum 5-40 search and the Kingfisher-5, however we feel the extra range does not compensate for the ability to detect potential hostile sips while not broadcasting the ships position.

To ensure long range and station keeping ability, an extra half sized engineering section was added along with significant maintenance stores and considerable fuel tankage. The design was kept right at 9k tons. Early on a minimum speed of 2000 km/s was agreed upon. This criteria was meet, but only barely.

Our GDS design team believes this Destroyer fulfills all the requirements set forth in requirements 1 & 3 of the call for proposals as best allowed by our current technology. Two other designs developed during our work are also presented for your consideration.

First is the White Knight L. It exchanges the 4 particle beams for 2 more dual laser turrets and redundant, optimized fire control. This give it more defense against missiles and a bigger close range punch, but at the expense of a 50% maximum range reduction.

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GDX-B White Knight - L class Destroyer    9,000 tons     824 Crew     653.5 BP      TCS 180  TH 375  EM 0
2083 km/s     Armour 3-38     Shields 0-0     Sensors 5/5/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 36
Annual Failure Rate: 432%    IFR: 6%    Maint Capacity 1068 MSP    Max Repair 80 MSP    Est Time: 2.03 Years

Korolyov MilSpec NPE 10-1/1 10 (15)    Power 25    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 25    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 220,000 Litres    Range 44.0 billion km   (244 days at full power)

Keio Dual 10cm-4rpm 800nm Laser Turret (4x2)    Range 30,000km     TS: 5000 km/s     Power 6-2     RM 1    ROF 15        3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Elta 20-5 Tracking Array (2)    Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
GE PWR 400 (2)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%

NorGrum 5-40 Search (1)     GPS 8000     Range 40.0m km    Resolution 100
OEPS Thermal-5.50 (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
Rafael Kingfisher-5 EM Detector (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

We feel the dual armed Particle/Laser armed version is the better all around ship, but enough considered the B good enough to present it for evaluation of the Military.

The second alternate is a stripped down faster ship. It trades 2 particle cannons for engines. The result is a ship with 75% of the firepower (50% of the long range firepower) and just 13% faster. It also has marginally superior deployment capability. Again this was felt to be inferior by our design teams, but sufficient for proposal.

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GDX-C White Knight - F class Destroyer    9,000 tons     844 Crew     648.5 BP      TCS 180  TH 425  EM 0
2361 km/s     Armour 3-38     Shields 0-0     Sensors 5/5/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 28
Annual Failure Rate: 324%    IFR: 4.5%    Maint Capacity 1090 MSP    Max Repair 80 MSP    Est Time: 2.4 Years

Korolyov MilSpec NPE 10-1/1 10 (17)    Power 25    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 25    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 220,000 Litres    Range 44.0 billion km   (215 days at full power)

Keio Dual 10cm-4rpm 800nm Laser Turret (2x2)    Range 30,000km     TS: 5000 km/s     Power 6-2     RM 1    ROF 15        3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Xiaofeng Particle Cannon 2.60.25 (2)    Range 60,000km     TS: 2361 km/s     Power 5-1    ROF 25        2 2 2 2 2 2 0 0 0 0
Elta 30-2.5 Tracking Array (1)    Max Range: 60,000 km   TS: 2500 km/s     69 55 41 27 14 0 0 0 0 0
Elta 20-5 Tracking Array (1)    Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
GE PWR 600 (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%

NorGrum 5-40 Search (1)     GPS 8000     Range 40.0m km    Resolution 100
OEPS Thermal-5.50 (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
Rafael Kingfisher-5 EM Detector (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

In addition to the purely military considerations we have also tried to take into account how the members of the board must answer to each of their sub-corporations. All designs for this class feature systems from various manufactures scattered all over the world, with specific regard to the demonstrated capabilities of those regions; Russian engines, American electronics and reactors, Israeli and French tracking systems and Japanese lasers. Hopefully this will allow your directors to obtain the necessary buy in from their subordinates.

Finally we encourage the ministry to push for more technical development at the earliest opportunity. The greatest challenges we faced in developing a viable combat ship are weapon range and weapon tracking. We would recommend those areas for immediate attention.

Should any of these designs be close to what is needed, but not an exact match for what the ministry requires, we feel confident we can make any require modification in quick order. All of us at GDS eagerly await you evaluation of our designs and safer and more secure Earth.

Johannes van de Walle, CEO Global Defense Systems

 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2011, 03:43:33 PM »
If I may chime in, although my interests lie in industry, I think it important for all of us to help make difficult decisions for the benefit of our people. I would support the designs made by Arkayn Manufacturing.

My support rests purely with the enemies we are likely to face in space. As Global Defense Systems Inc. itself has stated, our low level of technology presents a great many problems. If we were to stumble on any hostile aliens that are even 1 km/s faster than a beam armed warship, it would be utterly destroyed by that ship, and considering our slow engines, that is likely to happen. With a missile armed destroyer, at least we have a chance against a faster ship by out ranging it and destroying it.

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2011, 04:34:14 PM »
That is the philosophy the ministry had in mind when requesting ship designs, energy armed combatants have their place, especially in a jump point defense role, but by their very nature cannot be as flexible as a missile carrier. The ministry tentatively approves the AMX-1 class as the first general purpose military ship with only one request for modification: Can Arkayn design a variant with a higher est. time? 0.8 years does not seem enough endurance for a long range picket, though would be fine for Sol system duties, or in areas with easily accessible maintenance facilities.

As to the White Knight designs, we feel the generalist design is too slow for the role of attack craft, and would support the L class to be used in a missile defense or jump point defense role. The F class, with its higher speed would be desirable as an attack vessel, but given our current technology level might still be too slow to be effective.
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 02:49:58 AM »
 The Dazmar corporation is excited by these designs and the military's decisions.  though if we may make a small comment and push our thoughts out here,  the Arkayn Mfg ships require a lot of Arkayn components, leading to a great deal of potential bottlenecking should the company be unable to fulfill quota or should accidents happen at the facilities.   As a company in the field of Power and propulsion  we would like to suggest the potential substitute of Dazmar engine and power plant products.  We have a nuclear engine design known as the E10 Super Nova with similar statistics to the Arkayn Mfg engine proposed.  we only need some time and access to the research labs to put our design  into production.  we also offer the E1 Nova, a larger more commercially ready variant, for civilian and survey ship consideration
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 09:07:38 AM »
Persuant to the requests put forth by the Defense Minister, Arkayn Manufacturing presents the following modifications to their AMX-1 Crossbow.
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AMX-1a Crossbow class Missile Destroyer    9,000 tons     908 Crew     866.8 BP      TCS 180  TH 375  EM 0
2083 km/s     Armour 4-38     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 11     PPV 30
Annual Failure Rate: 58%    IFR: 0.8%    Maint Capacity 662 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 4.25 Years
Magazine 170   

Arkayn Mfg NTE-25 (15)    Power 25    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 25    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres    Range 40.0 billion km   (222 days at full power)

Arkayn Mfg Stiletto M-3 Launcher (10)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 90
Arkayn Mfg Spotlight R-30 MFC (2)     Range 30.0m km    Resolution 100
Stiletto Mk 1 (56)  Speed: 12,500 km/s   End: 40m    Range: 30m km   WH: 2    Size: 3    TH: 41 / 25 / 12

Arkayn Mfg C-50 Search Scanner (1)     GPS 10000     Range 50.0m km    Resolution 100

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
The AMX-1a slightly reduces the thickness of armor to allow for increased engineering supplies.

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AMX-1b Crossbow class Missile Destroyer    9,000 tons     828 Crew     861.3 BP      TCS 180  TH 375  EM 0
2083 km/s     Armour 5-38     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 9     PPV 24
Annual Failure Rate: 72%    IFR: 1%    Maint Capacity 538 MSP    Max Repair 100 MSP    Est Time: 3.37 Years
Magazine 164   

Arkayn Mfg NTE-25 (15)    Power 25    Fuel Use 100%    Signature 25    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres    Range 40.0 billion km   (222 days at full power)

Arkayn Mfg Stiletto M-3 Launcher (8)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 90
Arkayn Mfg Spotlight R-30 MFC (2)     Range 30.0m km    Resolution 100
Stiletto Mk 1 (54)  Speed: 12,500 km/s   End: 40m    Range: 30m km   WH: 2    Size: 3    TH: 41 / 25 / 12

Arkayn Mfg C-50 Search Scanner (1)     GPS 10000     Range 50.0m km    Resolution 100

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
The AMX-1b removes two of the Stiletto launchers in favor of increased engineering supplies.

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 06:46:25 PM »
The Ministry of Technology favours the White Knight -L design, especially as it requires a minimum of new components.  Given the crippling lack of research personnel, their somewhat limited specialities, and the scarcity of many valuable Trans-Newtonian minerals, the Ministry does not forsee the ability to produce missile combatants in the next decade.  Indeed, it will likely not even be possible to purse the necessary research.
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2011, 06:43:30 AM »
I would question that statement Dr. Vendar. I understand the concern over the building of missiles, but reserves number 46,000 which is 3rd most among all Trans-Newtonian Minerals, albeit at low accessibility as stated here: http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/Detjen/Aurora/Mineral.png. However what I believe to be a more contentious issue is that the White Knight-L needs a "minimum of new components." After a quick count, it requires 8 new components with the crossbow requiring only 6. It is possible my math is wrong, however, so do say if it is.

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 02:25:04 PM »
It is the position of the military that we would rather wait a little longer for a competitive vessel than commit ourselves to something that has an excellent chance of dying before it gets in range to do anything, and given that useful energy weapons, especially turrets actually require a rather large amount of prerequisite tech before being useful, we feel the advantage in research time there is slim if it exists at all. To that end we are giving a "go" to R and D and production for the AMX-1a Crossbow proposed by Arkayn manufacturing.

Should the senate wish to overrule the ministry in this matter they are welcome to attempt to do so by calling for a vote.
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2011, 08:35:17 PM »
Senator Panopticon, the senate cannot overrule your decision they can try and impeach you but to my knowledge you have done nothing wrong, you were put in the position of military minister by the President to decide our defence policy and capability.

If it is the defence policy to create a fleet of missile vessels, then as a Senator I will only support you regardless of any of my reservations, and as a Survey minister, I will attempt to locate the resources needed for your policy.

My belief is all the Senators have given recommendations, but to this date I have not see anyone cause a blockage of supply, if so as a Senator and Vice President I would do my damnest to make sure interference of ministries do not take place.

Senator Winston
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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 10:10:05 PM »
  Have you thought about a  naming standardization for the navy to allow for easier identification of ships,  a hull letter/numbering system perhaps?   As the old United States navy once used cities for cruisers and presidents for carriers,  I believe it would allow for quicker and more accurate situational awareness in the heat of battle and when looking over incomplete reports, or avoiding having to have a list of ships off to one side for constant refrence.
 

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Re: Military Ship Designs
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 10:20:26 PM »
I would assume that those officers who participate in battle will have taken the time to learn the names of the other ships involved so I don't see it as a big deal. That said I don't have an objection to some form of naming standard either. I would say for the class names that right would be reserved for the designing corporations, and individual ship names could certainly follow a similar theme with members of the same class, what that theme is and how it is chosen is something I don't care about really, so long as it supports the dignity of the Navy and the officers involved. [ooc]Basically, if it sounds cool.[/ooc]