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Offline CaptainBipto (OP)

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Jump Point Tanks
« on: November 19, 2014, 07:42:08 PM »
Getting a little tired of getting whooped when I exit a JP into an enemy fleet waiting for my blind ships.   Two possible solutions from my warped imagination involve a vanguard  force:

1.  "Plug ship": massively armored shield ship that goes thru ahead of the real targets to soak up (tank) all those free shots from the enemy JP fleet.

2.  "Sensor boats": embarked sensor boats/missiles that use active sensors to paint enemies.  They disembark almost immediately after the jump.


Has anyone tried either of these?

 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 09:15:57 PM »
I have tried both; 1 does work, but it is inefficient. 2 is the better option but do a variation of it. Have a ship that is fast, cloaked, and with thermal reduction go in first, have it get a ways inside the system then blast on the active sensors and at the same time bring in the fleet. There are counters to this like having a heavy defense station with large active sensors on the JP and escort stations around it.
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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 10:23:30 PM »
I guess I wouldn't want to be stationed on a ship whose sole purpose was to soak up enemy barrages:p I'll try the stealthy sensor tactic next game I get this problem.  For sure I'm using JP guard bases. . . those NPRs are jerks!
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2014, 07:18:07 AM »
Research better jump engine tech.  Specificly 'max squadron jump radius' and 'max jump squadron size'.  You want a radius range that is greater than the expected opfor beam range and a squadron size that allows good sized task groups to jump together.  Yes your individual task groups will be scattered, but that actually will work to you advantage.  This does mean that you have to use squadron transit not standard.
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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2014, 01:10:29 PM »
Yeah I did standard transit:p oops.  I looked up the jump related components online.  So max.  Jump radius means my squadron will be closer? Sorry but I'm a little confused about the radius vs.  Opfor max range?
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2014, 01:41:04 PM »
http://aurorawiki.pentarch.org/index.php?title=Aurora_Player_Designed_Systems#Jump_Engines

Jump Point Distance is used to purposely create distance from the JP in case of on-JP defenses like mines or defenders.
 
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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2014, 02:16:35 PM »
Erik is on point. 

"max squadron jump radius" means that when you use squadron transit that is the max distance from the jump point the task group will arrive on a random bearing.

OPFOR is a common acromyn fro Opposing Force. 
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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2014, 03:18:50 PM »
Thanks guys! Makes sense! Get my Internet today so I'll be able to not use my phone for reading :-[
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2014, 05:13:29 PM »
Remember that Standard Transit allows any size of a TG to traverse a JP, as long as there is a big enough jump engine on one of the ships. This is useful for peacetime transits.

Squadron Transit shortens the blindness period but only allows the number of ships that the jump engine has been designed for. This is useful for combat transits.
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2015, 08:16:22 AM »
Does blindness stop blind missile fire? If not, you could possibly fire an active sensor heavily armored cluster of buoys immediately upon emerging so you can have instant contacts.
Do fleets experience fire delays at 100% Taskforce training?
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2015, 09:34:01 AM »
Does blindness stop blind missile fire? If not, you could possibly fire an active sensor heavily armored cluster of buoys immediately upon emerging so you can have instant contacts.
Do fleets experience fire delays at 100% Taskforce training?
I believe yes/no (first one), you can still fire at waypoints for mines/buoys (I think), but the mines'/buoys' active sensors will still be blind (maybe).
Yes (second one). Task force training dictates how fast/well fleets react to orders given and has nothing to do with sensor blindness (from jumping).
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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2015, 10:16:19 AM »
I believe yes/no (first one), you can still fire at waypoints for mines/buoys (I think), but the mines'/buoys' active sensors will still be blind (maybe).
Yes (second one). Task force training dictates how fast/well fleets react to orders given and has nothing to do with sensor blindness (from jumping).
I was more asking if 100% fleet training completely negated fire delays.
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2015, 12:46:18 PM »
Remember that Standard Transit allows any size of a TG to traverse a JP, as long as there is a big enough jump engine on one of the ships. This is useful for peacetime transits.

Squadron Transit shortens the blindness period but only allows the number of ships that the jump engine has been designed for. This is useful for combat transits.

Reallllyllylylyyly. So ive been wasting hours, splitting up my combat fleets that are just trawling into systems that i know theres no danger, so they can fit into the 4-5 squadron limit of my jump tenders. wow.


Back onto topic, on the note of doing ships loaded with mines. 1 of my thoughts was always A large ship loaded with as many box launchers as possible. Jump it into the system 5 seconds before the rest of your fleet, and dump all the mines it has (do a mix of antiship missiles and size 1.5 amms, need space for the sensor after all). Even if they blap down your cruiser, in a few seconds, all those mines will go off supported by the weapons of your main fleet
 

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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2015, 05:06:45 PM »
Was just discussing this on the dwarf fortress forum.
Someone mentioned how effective a bunch of CIWS was on a freighter, I suggested the classic armour ball: a freighter with lots of CIWS and armour, perhaps enough speed to keep up with the rest of the fleet, and for good measure a bunch of size 1 sensors.
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Re: Jump Point Tanks
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2015, 05:47:05 PM »
The most efficient way that I have observed is to have an advanced small and very fast and stealthy jump scout ship. Their job is to get information about the enemy strength.

Step two is to have specialized JP assault ships. These should basically carry your other more regular ships through the JP with the best jump drives that you can build.

Once you know you can bring enough force to overwhelm the enemy you can jump in and beat them with your fleet.

In general I don't like to either assault or defend JPs other than as a temporary solution, especially defending them. Mainly because it ultimately is pointless to do so and waste lot's of resources. I can see how mines is useful to damage and slow down an assault, but unless you know of a dedicated attack you can never stop it with defending a JP, unless you intend to fortify all your JPs all over the place. I certainly would not like to be stationed on a defence station knowing it could easily be overwhelmed and defeated.

In any way the question was assaulting them and that is easy as long as you have the necessary information.