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[L0ckAndL0ad (OP)]

I've got a new question, concerning armor.

So, I have WH 9 anti-ship missiles. Does one such missile just destroys 3 levels of armor and does not do any additional damage to what is beyond? If a ship only has 3 levels of armor, and it is hit by a single WH 9 missile, it will result in a hole but no internal damage?

If I get it correctly, a missile should have a warhead of 10 to be able to penetrate the armor and then deal at least 1 damage to the internals with the same explosion.

Am I getting this right?

Thanks!

[JacenHan]

The 10th damage point would impact on the outermost layer of armor. You would need 16 damage to reach the 4th layer (or cause internal damage if the ship has 3 armor layers). This image shows where each damage point falls for missiles (left) and lasers (right). Essentially, until you reach the next square number, you are making the hole wider, not deeper.

[L0ckAndL0ad (OP)]

Ugh, I'm sorry, I still don't get it.

Are you saying that the damage spreads the same regardless of whether there is armor or not? You need at least WH 16 missile to reach internal components of ships with armor level 3 (with a single strike)?

[DeMatt]

Ugh, I'm sorry, I still don't get it.

Are you saying that the damage spreads the same regardless of whether there is armor or not? You need at least WH 16 missile to reach internal components of ships with armor level 3 (with a single strike)?

If a ship with 3 layers of armor (and no damage) is hit by a WH 9-15 missile, there will be armor damage on all three layers of armor, but no internal damage:


The same ship, getting hit by a WH 16 missile, will take internal damage:


Repeated damage (not hits, the damage) in the same area will, as far as I know, "fall" straight down through the holes to intact armor:


And here's an animated version of JacenHan's image, hopefully it makes it clear how the damage increases:


Album link:  imgur.com/a/aaxKhlt

[Garfunkel]

If these aren't in the Wiki already, they should be added there.

[L0ckAndL0ad (OP)]

So, if I'm getting it right, the damage is distributed like this: one damage point per square. This is the part that I misunderstood. Now it all makes sense to me.

WH 9 missile's damage can't reach beyond 3 layers because it is the last point of damage that reaches the 3rd layer, and there's no damage left to expand downwards.

Thank you all!

[Paul M]

I would have assumed the damage to be far more symmetrically distributed but if that is the "word of Steve" then it is so....

I would for a missile expect:

10-5-3-1-2-6-11
   12-7-4-8-13
      14-9-15
          16

With damage added first symmetrically to the outer damage ring then working inward.

[tobijon]

it is symmetrical, just not in the way you're thinking.
9 damage:
5-2-1-3-7
   6-4-8
      9
consider adding three:

10-5-2-1-3-7
   11-6-4-8
      12-9
this is symmetrical, except the symmetrical point has changed

another 3:
10-5-2-1-3-7-13
   11-6-4-8-14
      12-9-15

the advantage of this over what you are proposing is that there is more deeper damage rather than having nearly all damage in the first few layers

[L0ckAndL0ad (OP)]

Another question

Terraforming Mars.

I've changed Mars to 0.88 suitability by adding 0.2 atm of Safe GH Gas, 0.2 atm Oxygen and 0.2 atm Anti-GH Gas. In the later stages of doing so I realized I have to keep both GH/AGH gases to keep the temperature at a certain level. Problem is, I can't get the value of both to be exactly the same. Even though the setting was typed in as "0.2", by the time the simulation disables the addition of a gas, it adds a bit more of it, a small fracture over the set limit, so I have 0.2055 and 0.203 of GH/AGH gases.

This means that the balance isn't perfect and the temperature slowly shifts. I'm currently adding Nitrogen to get 1.0 total pressure, but not sure what to do next. Current surface temp is -31 degrees Celsius, so I need to heat it up again. I managed to get it to 15 a couple of years ago, but then it dropped again when I increased AGH gas pressure.

What do I do?

[davidb86]

I've changed Mars to 0.88 suitability by adding 0.2 atm of Safe GH Gas, 0.2 atm Oxygen and 0.2 atm Anti-GH Gas. In the later stages of doing so I realized I have to keep both GH/AGH gases to keep the temperature at a certain level. Problem is, I can't get the value of both to be exactly the same. Even though the setting was typed in as "0.2", by the time the simulation disables the addition of a gas, it adds a bit more of it, a small fracture over the set limit, so I have 0.2055 and 0.203 of GH/AGH gases.

This means that the balance isn't perfect and the temperature slowly shifts. I'm currently adding Nitrogen to get 1.0 total pressure, but not sure what to do next. Current surface temp is -31 degrees Celsius, so I need to heat it up again. I managed to get it to 15 a couple of years ago, but then it dropped again when I increased AGH gas pressure.

What do I do?

Don't add Anti-GH gas
Earths atmosphere is 78% Nitrogen  21% Oxygen and 1% everything else.  Add Safe GH gas to get your temp to the bottom of the acceptable range, then add Oxygen to make it breathable, then add nitrogen as needed. The increasing pressure will continue to raise the temp, but very slowly. You only need anti-GH gas to cool off a hot planet.

[L0ckAndL0ad (OP)]

Don't add Anti-GH gas
Earths atmosphere is 78% Nitrogen  21% Oxygen and 1% everything else.  Add Safe GH gas to get your temp to the bottom of the acceptable range, then add Oxygen to make it breathable, then add nitrogen as needed. The increasing pressure will continue to raise the temp, but very slowly. You only need anti-GH gas to cool off a hot planet.

Oh! I guess I overworked a bit..

So you don't need AGH gas to counter-balance the GH gas. Temperature was changing for me simply because I kept increasing the total atmo pressure (by pumping in the oxygen), which changes the Greenhouse Factor, not because of the GH gas itself. I guess I get it now. So I can safely remove all AGH gas, pump in more Nitrogen and will only have to fine tune the temperature by changing the amount of GH gas (also watching out for Albedo changes due to water/ice freezing and melting).

[davidb86]

Correct,

There used to be a spreadsheet that would help you calculate the amount of GH gas needed given the final pressure desired and the initial temp.  I cannot seem to find my copy.

[L0ckAndL0ad (OP)]

Okay, I got Mars to 0 colony cost, yay!

A new question. I have lots of pricey ships halted under construction. Some are 50-70% complete. If I cancel the construction, do I get anything in return? Or do I lose everything already used up to this point, it all just goes poof?

[Garfunkel]

Everything goes poof, you get nothing back. Never ever cancel a ship unless you absolutely must do so. You get more back by finishing the construction and then immediately scrapping the ship via the shipyard.

[Steve Walmsley]

Okay, I got Mars to 0 colony cost, yay!

A new question. I have lots of pricey ships halted under construction. Some are 50-70% complete. If I cancel the construction, do I get anything in return? Or do I lose everything already used up to this point, it all just goes poof?

You lose it all. However, you can pause the construction and restart when you have more money.