C# Full Installation v1.00 (updated to 1.13.0)

[Luftwolfe]

Since Endless Sky is open source I'm pretty sure use of the images from it fall under fair use. . .

[mtm84]

Since Endless Sky is open source I'm pretty sure use of the images from it fall under fair use. . .

Most open source projects take their license very seriously so I don’t begrudge them from wanting others to abide by the terms.  In this particular case, since the images are CC-BY-SA, they are clearly free for Steve to use and modify any way he likes as long as he attributes the author, which seems to be the only actual breach in this instance.

Edit to add Steve would also have to provide a link to the cc-by-sa license, but wouldn’t need to actually include the text of said license.

Edit 2: I had some language on my personal take on this situation that some could consider inflammatory.  That was not my intent and I apologize.

[MarcAFK]

The notice didn't seem heavy handed to me. It was polite and honest, except it would have been more appropriate to make the notice through a private message or email to teh developer, however I have seen many instances where this kind of contact is made by an ip owner, developer, etc through a forum, its not unheard of.

[codyo]

For those returning to the game after a long time or those just finding out about it.  Could we get a broad summary of the features? Like what there is to look forward to before you play?

[Bughunter]

For those returning to the game after a long time or those just finding out about it.  Could we get a broad summary of the features? Like what there is to look forward to before you play?

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=10666.0

[SultanPepper]

For those returning to the game after a long time or those just finding out about it.  Could we get a broad summary of the features? Like what there is to look forward to before you play?

If you've never played before, Aurora is a massive sandbox game of spreadsheets and micromanagement. It can be a hassle to do things and a pain to play, but if you perservere you will find an extremely well-designed, fleshed-out Space Empire simulator the likes of which has never been seen. You may spend an hour designing and building a fuel harvesting station to put in orbit of an alien gas giant, then realise you forgot to build tugs so the damn thing is going nowhere. Or build an intricate themed army of heavy vehicles and anti-air infantry, backed up by a powerful laser-bombardment cruiser, but forget to turn off the damn fuel refineries so now you have no sorium and OH GOD NOTHING IS BEING BUILT.

An amazing game.

[TMaekler]

I think the solution Steve took is the best: Remove the pictures. Because, if he would add the CC-BY-SA License to Aurora, people would quickly draw the conclusion that this is valid for the whole release. And some #reddits eventually hope this happens so they "legally" can start modifying the source code... just a thought. Was wondering why "they were informed"... 

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

I think the solution Steve took is the best: Remove the pictures. Because, if he would add the CC-BY-SA License to Aurora, people would quickly draw the conclusion that this is valid for the whole release. And some #reddits eventually hope this happens so they "legally" can start modifying the source code... just a thought. Was wondering why "they were informed"... 

Yes, the timing and public nature of the request seemed a little coincidental, but it was useful in prompting me to add a note about the images.

[Froggiest1982]

For those returning to the game after a long time or those just finding out about it.  Could we get a broad summary of the features? Like what there is to look forward to before you play?

Now imagine Stellaris to be the game you always wanted to be with. Imagine a perfect Space Empires 5 diplomacy and galaxy design, the beautiful feeling of Distant World Universe when you start expanding your trade routes and a little pinch of the first Endless Space. Imagine everything feeling real, alive and you have control over all of it.

Imagine, now you can.

[Froggiest1982]

I think the solution Steve took is the best: Remove the pictures. Because, if he would add the CC-BY-SA License to Aurora, people would quickly draw the conclusion that this is valid for the whole release. And some #reddits eventually hope this happens so they "legally" can start modifying the source code... just a thought. Was wondering why "they were informed"... 

Yes, the timing and public nature of the request seemed a little coincidental, but it was useful in prompting me to add a note about the images.

You could always do what SI does with football manager mate. Leave the graphics as packs and leave them to the users to create. They can upload and then the people can just install if they want. I mean look at the ribbon app, the new graphics, I also remember the nice planet pack of VB6 for instance. You can leave the blank icons (like they do with the players) so we know what to put where and it's done: No more BS. I understand copyright but it just doesn't make sense for what you do. I mean the poor fella is here harassing for a picture when with all due the respect I bet he just cannot figure out why he cannot produce a decent game like yours with 10 times the people and resources.

[hadi]

I think the solution Steve took is the best: Remove the pictures. Because, if he would add the CC-BY-SA License to Aurora, people would quickly draw the conclusion that this is valid for the whole release. And some #reddits eventually hope this happens so they "legally" can start modifying the source code... just a thought. Was wondering why "they were informed"... 

So that they could have a reason to continue with their nonsense toxicity. Glad that Steve dealt with it very quick.

[MCOfficer]

So that they could have a reason to continue with their nonsense toxicity.    Glad that Steve dealt with it very quick.   

You could always do what SI does with football manager mate.    Leave the graphics as packs and leave them to the users to create.   They can upload and then the people can just install if they want.   I mean look at the ribbon app, the new graphics, I also remember the nice planet pack of VB6 for instance.   You can leave the blank icons (like they do with the players) so we know what to put where and it's done: No more BS.   I understand copyright but it just doesn't make sense for what you do.   I mean the poor fella is here harassing for a picture when with all due the respect I bet he just cannot figure out why he cannot produce a decent game like yours with 10 times the people and resources. 

Mate.  .  .   you'd be surprised how similar ES and Aurora are.   Both are made by people who make tremendous efforts just to bring joy to their players.   That excludes me, btw, if you had bothered to look it up you would've noticed that I'm but a small contributor.   I have immense respect for such people, that's why it really bothers me when their work is "stolen".   Imagine if someone distributed parts of Aurora under their name without attribution, I'm sure you'd feel just a little bit offended.   

And calling this harassment or toxic is a pretty heavy-handed.   I gave Steve the benefit of the doubt and made a polite request, and was proven right when he reacted in exactly the right way.    Go figure.   

I think the solution Steve took is the best: Remove the pictures.   Because, if he would add the CC-BY-SA License to Aurora, people would quickly draw the conclusion that this is valid for the whole release.    And some #reddits eventually hope this happens so they "legally" can start modifying the source code.  .  .   just a thought.   Was wondering why "they were informed".  .  .   

An Aurora player noticed and mentioned it on our discord, and I decided to take a look.   Not gonna call out names because apparently there are people who think of this as toxicity. 


Edited for clarity. 

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

You could always do what SI does with football manager mate. Leave the graphics as packs and leave them to the users to create. They can upload and then the people can just install if they want. I mean look at the ribbon app, the new graphics, I also remember the nice planet pack of VB6 for instance. You can leave the blank icons (like they do with the players) so we know what to put where and it's done: No more BS. I understand copyright but it just doesn't make sense for what you do. I mean the poor fella is here harassing for a picture when with all due the respect I bet he just cannot figure out why he cannot produce a decent game like yours with 10 times the people and resources.

I checked and that is exactly what SI does. What is the benefit of having separate packs? If I simply take the images files out of the game download and make them a separate available download, does that remove any issue with copyright because they are not directly part of the game?

[DFNewb]

You could always do what SI does with football manager mate. Leave the graphics as packs and leave them to the users to create. They can upload and then the people can just install if they want. I mean look at the ribbon app, the new graphics, I also remember the nice planet pack of VB6 for instance. You can leave the blank icons (like they do with the players) so we know what to put where and it's done: No more BS. I understand copyright but it just doesn't make sense for what you do. I mean the poor fella is here harassing for a picture when with all due the respect I bet he just cannot figure out why he cannot produce a decent game like yours with 10 times the people and resources.

I checked and that is exactly what SI does. What is the benefit of having separate packs? If I simply take the images files out of the game download and make them a separate available download, does that remove any issue with copyright because they are not directly part of the game?

I think the idea is that the packs will be made by players and not you so you don't get any responsibility (or legal problems) for what graphics we decide to use with our campaigns.

[surprise]

You could always do what SI does with football manager mate.  Leave the graphics as packs and leave them to the users to create.  They can upload and then the people can just install if they want.  I mean look at the ribbon app, the new graphics, I also remember the nice planet pack of VB6 for instance.  You can leave the blank icons (like they do with the players) so we know what to put where and it's done: No more BS.  I understand copyright but it just doesn't make sense for what you do.  I mean the poor fella is here harassing for a picture when with all due the respect I bet he just cannot figure out why he cannot produce a decent game like yours with 10 times the people and resources.

I think one benefit is that what you distribute can be easily pared down to respect copyright requests, and can include the “none of the art is mine. . . ” text file discussed earlier.

The big advantage is that it lets users match the expected format and distribute their own image packs independently of you, so that you aren’t responsible for maintaining what could theoretically be a huge set of images (as FM face packs usually are ).
I checked and that is exactly what SI does.  What is the benefit of having separate packs? If I simply take the images files out of the game download and make them a separate available download, does that remove any issue with copyright because they are not directly part of the game?