Trade and diplomacy with NPRs

[Theodidactus (OP)]

some assorted questions on the topic


1) I am allied with some folks 7-8 systems away. I've been trying to set up a trade route with them for over a decade...no luck. There is a full highway of jump gates connecting our empires, but no traffic. Are they too far away?

2) to mitigate this problem, I set up a colony halfway between them and me, and have attempted to move installations via civilian shipping...they don't move stuff there. Is THIS colony too far away? Or is all my civilian shipping tied up doing something else?

3) I am at war with another space empire. I'm trying to simulate a cold-war type situation with a truly alien empire (pretending I can't communicate with them). So, when their ships cross a predetermined line, I open fire on them. This basically means I occasionally harass their shipping and jumpgate construction. I know they have dedicated battle fleets, but they seem as unwilling to attack me as I do to attack them. Are some NPRs just naturally hesitant to do that? Are there, then, naturally belligerant NPRs? I have diplomatic teams working furiously to bring my own opinion of these guys up before the war goes hot, but I'm not sure the other side does. How will I know if they consider me neutral as opposed to hostile? Do I just wait until they stop shooting my ships?

4) In earlier versions of aurora, you could enter into specific treaties with an NPR. I've seen numerous threads on the forum to the effect that "Information about these agreements can be found ______", but they always go to dead pages. Is there any way to interact with an NPR besides the options on the standard NPR screen?

[metalax]

1: yes you are too far. Trade is limited to systems witnin 4 jumps of where the civilian ship is located when it looks for it's next job.

2: Make sure that the source of the installations is within 4 jumps of the new colony. If there are enough other trade/contracts going then it may take a while for the civs to notice the new contract.

Not really able to help with the dimplomacy questions as my diplomacy tends to be nuclear.

[Person012345]

For 3 and 4, yes different races seem to have different "personalities" to some degree. My first contact with humans in my current game was friendly enough - I jumped into their home system and they escorted me out. However, there was another race that had nothing to do with anything who came along one day and blew up my civilian ships for no reason. Also, your diplomatic teams don't change your opinion of them. Your teams change their opinion of you. You won't know how they feel about you, but if you're shooting each other that's not generally a good sign (shooting them automatically gives a negative diplomatic penalty... obviously).

[Theodidactus (OP)]

Also, your diplomatic teams don't change your opinion of them. Your teams change their opinion of you.

Are you sure? Every conversation I've seen on the forum has lead me to believe it was the other way around.



EDIT: Just checked, you're right...makes more sense too.

[Hawkeye]

re. the treaties: I copy and pasted a post from steve in notepad (yes, I have come to do this with any "rules post" from steve I come across   )
This is, what he said about diplomacy (version 4.1, still true afaikt)

I have mentioned in passing in several threads that I have completely rewritten the diplomatic rules for v4.1, including their use by NPRs, but I haven't created an official thread with the new rules so here it is.

I have taken an entirely new approach to Diplomacy, basing it on the mechanics of Aurora rather than a set of abstract treaty states with no significant in-game effects. The first major change is that there is no longer a single relationship between two Empires. Each Empire has its own opinion of each alien race and two Empires may have different opinions of each other. You can see your own Empire's view of other Empires but their view of you can only be determined by the diplomatic actions that they take. Their underlying opinion is not revealed. In addition, communication attempts take place for each race involved and a situation could result where Empire A can understand the language of Empire B but not vice versa. Sort of like when you go to Paris and the waiters can speak English but refuse to do so if you don't speak French. This has important implications for interrogating prisoners and for espionage.

The view of each Empire toward another is determined by the Political Modifier. This is a number which will change over time based on different events and situations. It will also affect the treaties that can be set up, either automatically by NPRs or manually by players. Empires will determine by themselves what treaties to grant to other Empires and each is handled on a unilateral basis. Thus Empire A can grant Trade Access (for example) to Empire B without that being reciprocated.

The Political Modifier is set initially for each side when first contact takes place. This is set to zero minus a random number between 1 and the Empire's Xenophobia (which is equal to the Xenophobia of the dominant species within that Empire plus any modifier for government type). So although the Political Modifier will start negative on both sides, it could be significantly different for each Empire. The Political Modifier you have for each alien Empire will change over time based on the criteria described below. Unless specifically listed as instant, all modifiers are added or deducted over the course of one year, with small increments being added/deducted during each 5-day increment.

Positive Modifiers
The rating of a diplomatic team assigned to you by the alien Empire will be added over the course of one year. So if the alien team rating was 120 then the political modifier you have for that Empire would increase by 120 every year with small increments being added during each 5-day increment. NPRs will create their own diplomatic teams to influence your perception of their Empire. An NPR's view of you will be influenced by the diplomatic team you assign to that NPR.
Instant changes ranging from 1 to 10 for positive communication efforts
Instant 10 for establishing communications
100 per year if the alien race has granted trade access
100 per year if the alien race is sharing geological survey data
100 per year if the alien race is sharing gravitational survey data
200 per year if the alien race is sharing research information
100 per year if the alien race views you as Friendly
200 per year if the alien race views you as Allied

Negative Modifiers
The Xenophobia of your Empire will be deducted over the course of one year. So if your Xenophobia was 50 then the political modifier for each alien race would decrease by 50 every year with small increments being deducted during each 5-day increment. If an NPR had a xenophobia of 60 then the political modifier for each known race, including the player race, would decrease by 60 every year
-100 per year if communication not established.
Instant deductions equal to any damage inflicted to your ships or PDCs by the alien race. This is doubled for any internal damage
Instant deductions equal to 200% of any planetary bombardment damage
During the 5-day increment, NPRs will deduct points for any alien ships they detect on active sensors in systems in which they have a population. The deduction is equal to 10% of contact size. So a 5000 ton ship (size 100) would cause an instant 10 point deduction. For the purposes of this rule, they will ignore freighters if a trade treaty is in effect and they will ignore ships from Empires they class as Friendly or Allied.

If an Empire is attacked, all treaties with the attacking race will be cancelled and if the the political modifier is greater than -150, it is reduced to that amount.

Treaties
The Political Modifier Level required for different treaties is as follows:

Neutral Military Status: -100
Friendly Military Status (Jump ships can escort the alien Empire's ships): 800
Allied Military Status: (Ships will defend the ally's ships against missile attack): 4000

Trade Access: 200
Share Geological Survey Data: 800
Share Gravitational Survey Data: 2400
Share Research Data:  6000

Treaties are one-way only so if an NPR grants you trade access you have access to the NPR populations but they will only have access to yours if you grant them trade access. The same applies to geo treaties, grav treaties, etc.. NPRs will automatically grant the various treaties when the political modifier reaches the appropriate level. Player races have the option of granting the treaty status for NPRs. While it might appear at first to be a good idea to let NPRs grant you acess and not return the favour, there are several advantages to granting various treaties,

If you grant trade access, NPRs will move trade goods within your Empire, between your Empire and the NPR populations and between your Empire and others with whom the NPR has a treaty. This can include moving infrastructure to your colonies that is produced by alien populations. You will gain export taxes for goods moved from your populations and you may get some free infrastructure. Granting grav or geo treaties has a couple of benefits. Primarily, it improves your relations, which can lead to the NPR declaring you friendly or allied, or even sharing its research knowledge. Secondly, if you don't want an NPR poking around in your systems, let them have the geo knowledge than they have no reason to send in survey ships. The research treaty is a easy way to get new knowledge to the a friendly/allied NPR so it can upgrade its ships and again will improve relations to the point where the NPR can reciprocate - if hasn't already done so.

To facilitate the changes, the existing Diplomacy window has been removed and a new tab has been added to the Tactical Intelligence window, which is now the Intelligence and Foreign Relations