Official v6.30 Bugs thread

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

Not sure if this is explicitly a 6.3 bug, or just something I noticed for the first time in 6.3.

If I have a shipyard task set to "repair", and select a ship that doesn't need repair (or refit a ship to the same class it currently has), and advance the clock, I get an "overflow" error, sometimes repeating many times before it clears up.

I've added checks so you can't repair an undamaged ship or refit a ship to its existing class.

Steve

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

Some task groups, not all, spam multiple "completed orders" messages in the Event Update window. Other message types are also affected, for example "unable to"-type messages.

I have been unable to spot any connections between the affected task groups or what sets them apart from the unaffected ones. All new ships seems to behave them selves for a while, and then some of them gets over-informative.

In the following example the "Alhambra Victory" is an old (+5 years) one-ship freighter group, while the "Cargo 8" is five-ship freighter group from the same build; here both task groups deliver 21 "completed orders" messages. The Alhambra was never a member of a multi-ship group, except before she split from the shipyard she was built in, I checked the task group history.

The "Civil Service" is a five-ship group, only a few years old, and here they deliver only three identical messages. And "Hercules" is my old tug, as old as the universe itself, 38 years. Relatively well-behaved here, only four messages, but I have seen this particular one-ship fleet do a full page of identical messages.

The "Goblin" etc. are all brand new and well-behaved.

This phenomenon builds up over time, it seems, is all I can say.

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29th May 2063 16:41:21,Sol,Civil Service has completed orders
29th May 2063 17:11:21,Sol,Civil Service has completed orders
29th May 2063 17:41:21,Sol,Civil Service has completed orders
29th May 2063 17:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro is unable to set up all five of its special survey orders as there are not enough acceptable destinations within ten billion kilometers
30th May 2063 17:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro is unable to set up all five of its special survey orders as there are not enough acceptable destinations within ten billion kilometers
1st June 2063 10:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro is unable to set up all five of its special survey orders as there are not enough acceptable destinations within ten billion kilometers
2nd June 2063 12:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 12:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 13:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 13:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 13:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 13:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 14:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 14:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 14:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 14:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 15:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 15:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 15:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 15:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 16:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 16:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 16:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 16:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 17:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 17:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 17:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 17:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 18:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 18:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 18:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 18:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 19:11:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 19:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 19:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 19:11:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has carried out orders to detach any tractored ships
2nd June 2063 19:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 19:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 19:41:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 20:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 20:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 20:11:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 20:41:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 20:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 20:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 21:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 21:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 21:11:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 21:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 21:41:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 21:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 22:11:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 22:11:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 22:11:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
2nd June 2063 22:41:21,Kyrene,TG Atlas has completed orders
2nd June 2063 22:41:21,Sol,Cargo 8 has completed orders
2nd June 2063 22:41:21,Sol,FT Alhambra Victory has completed orders
3rd June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,Cargo TG 1 has completed orders
4th June 2063 10:41:21,Kyrene,TG Hercules has completed orders
4th June 2063 10:41:21,Kyrene,TG Hercules has carried out orders to detach any tractored ships
4th June 2063 11:11:21,Kyrene,TG Hercules has completed orders
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Kyrene,TG Hercules has completed orders
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Unknown,Perry Transport and Trading has scrapped Perry Small F4 409 (Perry Small F4 class) due to its replacement by a newer vessel
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,Perry Transport and Trading has launched a new Perry Small F5 class Freighter
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Unknown,The Morale of 67th Marine Battalion has increased to 109
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sirius,The Katherine Noble Geology Team has completed its surface-based geological survey of Sirius-A Asteroid #67
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,The crew of Ballista has completed shore leave and is fully rested
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,The crew of Arbalest has completed shore leave and is fully rested
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,The crew of Gandalf has completed shore leave and is fully rested
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Kyrene,The crew of Hercules has completed shore leave and is fully rested
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,The crew of Arrow has completed shore leave and is fully rested
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,The crew of Swale has completed shore leave and is fully rested
4th June 2063 11:41:21,Sol,The crew of Goblin has completed shore leave and is fully rested
5th June 2063 05:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 06:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 06:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 07:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 07:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 08:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 08:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 09:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 09:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 10:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 10:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 11:11:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders
5th June 2063 11:41:21,Gliese 526,GE Francisco Pizarro has completed orders

Check that they don't have the Cycle Moves check box checked. If it is, you will get this repeated message once per movement sub-pulse.

Steve

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

Fixed the bug that was preventing you changing the task force of a task group on the Task Group window

Steve

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

The estimated task group order completion times on the Task Force screen (CTRL+F4) are still 10x too small when comparing them to the (correct) values in the Task Groups screen (F12).

Fixed for v6.40

Steve

[vonduus]

Check that they don't have the Cycle Moves check box checked. If it is, you will get this repeated message once per movement sub-pulse.

Steve

They don't.

[alex_brunius]

The "Add Sol System" button seems to add planets with different values compared to the normal pre-generated Sol system. For example Venus with atm pressure 100 instead of 25.

Bug? Perhaps this mechanic use old values that has not been updated?

[ArchRylen]

Aliens appear to have spawned on a world that could not support them.

Planet details:
Nitrogen 67%: 0.3055 atm
Oxygen 33%: 0.1505 atm
Total pressure 0.456
Surface temp - 27.88 C

Alien Ideals:
Temp: -27.9 C (+/- 24)
Grav 0.81 (+/-0.52)
Oxygen 0.151 (+/- 0.060)
Max pressure (1.32)

When set to the alien race, the Industry Summary screen showed a sharp negative growth rate (~40%) and a 2.0 colony cost. Problem went away when I SMed the world to have ~20% Oxygen by adding Nitrogen.

Problem also described here: http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php/board,19.0.html

[SteelChicken]

Total Terraforming count doesn't update when two fleets join.

Lets say you send a ship or ships in a fleet to a planet to perform terraforming.
The Environmental tab/"terraformers in orbit" score calculates correctly when they arrive.

If you build more terraformer ships and then order them to join the existing fleet, the calculations do not update.  You have to move the fleet away from the planet and then back.

[Narmio]

Total Terraforming count doesn't update when two fleets join.

Lets say you send a ship or ships in a fleet to a planet to perform terraforming.
The Environmental tab/"terraformers in orbit" score calculates correctly when they arrive.

If you build more terraformer ships and then order them to join the existing fleet, the calculations do not update.  You have to move the fleet away from the planet and then back.

I can confirm this one's been around for quite a while - and I think it might happen to fuel harvesters and 'roid miners too. A quick 5s "Move to <target>" order (even though they're already there) on the main fleet fixes it, but you have to do it every time new ships are added to the fleet.

[Hawkeye]

I can confirm this one's been around for quite a while - and I think it might happen to fuel harvesters and 'roid miners too. A quick 5s "Move to <target>" order (even though they're already there) on the main fleet fixes it, but you have to do it every time new ships are added to the fleet.

An easier way is to _first_ issue an order of "move to---" followed by the "join TG" order. The move-to order makes Aurora recognize, the new miner/fuel harvester is there, the seconds puts it into the already employed TG.

[ArchRylen]

Update: This is part of how terraforming works. Not a bug.

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Problem: Attempt to terraform world via SM does not improve past a particular temperature.

Expected Behavior: Adding CO2, Safe Greenhouse, Methane, or other gasses in large quantity should raise the temperature.

Observed: As above, but temp stops increasing at -202.2 C regardless of how much gas is added. Seriously, over 900-9000 atm Safe Greenhouse and it doesn't budge 1/10th of a degree.

Same happens for a neighboring moon, at a different temperature.

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I genned, deleted, and genned systems with SM as I set up one of my first custom games. (I plan on having a low-tech Trans Newtonian empire conquer several conventional start empires before heading out into the greater world.) One of these, a gas giant moon was listed as habitable in the System Info screen. I marked it as a SM colony and went to the environment screen to customize it, as I have others in the system. The other worlds could be adjusted, this one resists.

I do not have the worlds initial atmosphere. -- Grav 0.33, Orbital Distance 649k, diameter 6200. Its primary is a Super Jovian orbiting at 25.8b.

I just tested for a neighboring moon which stops improving at a different temperature. So, maybe, this is working as intended.

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I will hold onto the save for a week or two, so I can provide it and further details.

[JacenHan]

There is a hard limit on greenhouse gases, somewhere around 2 atmospheres, I think. After that, they don't have an effect.

[alex_brunius]

There is a hard limit on greenhouse gases, somewhere around 2 atmospheres, I think. After that, they don't have an effect.

Indeed. The formulas are in plain text in the interface.

"Surface Temperature in Kelvin = Base Temperature in Kelvin x Greenhouse Factor x Albedo
Greenhouse Factor = 1 + (Atmospheric Pressure /10) + Greenhouse Pressure   (Maximum = 3.0)"

Since the maximum is 3.0 you can only raise the temperature to be 3 times what the base temperature is in Kelvin (for Albedo = 1.0).
This means if you want to terraform a body to 0 Celsius the body can be minimum -182 Celcius before you start for it to be possible.

Further information:
http://aurorawiki.pentarch.org/index.php?title=Terraforming

[ArchRylen]

There is a hard limit on greenhouse gases, somewhere around 2 atmospheres, I think. After that, they don't have an effect.

I poked around a bit. Hard limit is a greenhouse factor of 3, which is produced by Safe Greenhouse of 1.82 atm or other combinations of gas.

[Xeluc]

Not sure if this has been addressed but I noticed a ship that ran out of fuel still said it was moving at top speed, while it was dead in space.