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« on: May 07, 2019, 09:00:41 AM »
Please post any comments or questions here.

I've posted two of the five factions so far. I'll try to get the other three done this week and then start the campaign.
 

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 09:36:43 AM »
Those Kirov Battlecruisers are exquisitely terrible. The Federation should be very, very happy Mars isn't in the conquering mood.
 

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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 10:16:47 AM »
what's with the lack of CIWS?
 

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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 10:18:55 AM »
I agree with those Kirovs. They would decisively lose a Missile engagement with Mars and would never get into laser range where their weight of fire might make a difference.
 

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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 10:56:16 AM »
Even if the Kirov is technologically inferior in many ways they don't need to chase anything if you defend or invade something.

There also are 6 Kirov versus 3 Martian cruisers. The Kirov also is larger with tons of armour.

You  can't really judge th8ng one on one without any context.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2019, 10:58:36 AM »
I agree with those Kirovs. They would decisively lose a Missile engagement with Mars and would never get into laser range where their weight of fire might make a difference.

I was wondering what design theme to use for the US/Russia faction, so I was reading a really good book I have on Soviet warships...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soviet-Warships-Present-John-Jordan/dp/1854091174

After reading the Kirov section, I wondered if I could really get everything onto a single hull. Designing ships is fun if you don't have to worry about actual combat effectiveness :)

Besides, with no real combat experience, they probably seem fine to the Jovians. Very large and threatening. I'm sure they will adjust based on combat experience :)
 

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2019, 11:01:09 AM »
Even if the Kirov is technologically 8nferior in many ways they don't need to chase anything if you defend or invade something.

There also are 6 Kirov versus 3 Martian cruisers. The Kirov also is larger with tons of armour.

You  can't really judge th8ng one on one without any context.

Yes, true. I think there are situations where they will be fine. While specialization works well, not having to build 3-4 specialized designs means you can build more of your primary general purpose ship. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2019, 11:28:19 AM »
Not a fan of ships that have to rely on other ships to fill gaping holes in their capability.
 

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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2019, 11:30:43 AM »
I agree with those Kirovs. They would decisively lose a Missile engagement with Mars and would never get into laser range where their weight of fire might make a difference.

I was wondering what design theme to use for the US/Russia faction, so I was reading a really good book I have on Soviet warships...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soviet-Warships-Present-John-Jordan/dp/1854091174

After reading the Kirov section, I wondered if I could really get everything onto a single hull. Designing ships is fun if you don't have to worry about actual combat effectiveness :)

Besides, with no real combat experience, they probably seem fine to the Jovians. Very large and threatening. I'm sure they will adjust based on combat experience :)
It seems you and me both do a lot of background research.
For my current USSR-campaign, I spent about a week going through the military structure and organization of soviet strategic missile troops (in other words; ICBM batteries), soviet army and soviet navy in order to make a believable OOB for ground troops and setting up the organization tab.

I've used them as a template in other short-lived campaign where I tried out the 1982 Able Archer scenario in a multiple-NPR earth start.

Keep up the good work and I really appreciate the way you keep things "realistic" in the context and play things out as anyone would best assume they would in such situations.
 

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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2019, 11:41:15 AM »
I wonder how many factions we will have? Japanese on Titan and Indians + Chinese in the asteroids? I wonder if anyone went to Venus or Mercury.
 

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« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2019, 11:51:20 AM »
I wonder how many factions we will have? Japanese on Titan and Indians + Chinese in the asteroids? I wonder if anyone went to Venus or Mercury.

Earth, Titan and Asteroids at the moment. I did consider a sixth faction on Mercury but not decided yet. I'll see how I go with the others.
 

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« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2019, 12:32:38 PM »
Do you intend to carry out ground combat in this campaign?
 

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« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2019, 01:43:57 PM »
Looking a bit more into it I think a hypothetical fight between Mars and Jupiter gets decided by how effective Jupiter's point defense ends up being. The Martian missile range is almost half again as big as Jupiter's. Unless the River and/or the Molniya class of ships can get within range of a Martian fleet without being detected and then take out the Martian escorts. The Molniyas have the speed to be a big threat to a Martian fleet assuming that Martian sensors can't pick up a 500 ton ship at 25 million kms.

In an open space battle between the Martian fleet and the Jovian Federation fleet I give it to Mars every time unless the Molniyas can sneak in and take out the Sagittariuses early. I do see combat bringing the two philosophies closer together than they currently are though. Either way this has been the most exciting bit of papercrafting I have done in Aurora in a long time.
 

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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2019, 10:46:32 PM »
I really, really like how completely terrible the Kirov is. It's exactly the kind of thing designed time and time again by committees. Exquisite roleplay.

The fact that the missiles onboard are so terrible that Mars' ships could probably afford to armour tank (one missile design has a ~44% chance to hit a Martian ship; the other has a ~49% chance) just really puts the fine point on it.
 
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2019, 11:39:04 AM »
Oooh yes! French communism soviet faction!!! I loved that!
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