Official v5.42 Bugs Thread

[Beersatron]

Should I post my database for help with the Overflow?

Go ahead and host it somewhere if you can, Steve is busier than normal recently but there are a few of us who could possibly get a look and attempt to debug it.

[Deoxy]

Ok, I suspected this for a while, but there are definitely cases where officers are "released from service" as "surplus to requirements" when they most certainly HAVE been given assignments recently.

Just a moment ago, I reassigned my Fleet Headquarters commander, since an officer had been promoted that had a higher Crew Training score.  The very next turn, the guy who was just relieved (and had been the fleet commander for a while) was released as not having had an assignment in 12.4 years.

So, basically, is any officer in danger of being "released" if he isn't CURRENTLY assigned?  Or are only certain things (staff? teams?) not counted as "assignments" for job history purposes?  Either way, it's clearly a bug.

[seinwave]

Go ahead and host it somewhere if you can, Steve is busier than normal recently but there are a few of us who could possibly get a look and attempt to debug it.

K, here it is.  I noticed that every time I play it it grows by ~500 kB, even when it's failing on that one turn.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5080725/Stevefire.mdb


*edit* fixed url

[Shadow]

The Design Errors box doesn't warn you when a cloaking device is too small for the current design.

[Thiosk]

Mistakenly changing design alters ship

I don't have the original ship with which to compare, because it got changed.  I had a lovely colony ship-- the Ark.  Its my jumpcapable ship that ferries smaller colony ships to distant startup worlds.  What happened is i opened the design window.  The Ark was the default ship displayed.  Locked, and had ships in service.  Accidentally changed it to a PDC because, well, I wanted to design a PDC.

The popup telling me things would be changed appeared, and phfoosh.  Turned it back to a ship and this is what the existing ark, in service, turned into:

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Ark class Colony Ship 350 tons     479 Crew     74.5 BP      TCS 7  TH 0  EM 0
1 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control 1     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 0%    IFR: 0%    Maintenance Capacity 0 MSP

Fuel Capacity 150,000 Litres    Range 0.0 billion km   (0 days at full power)


This ship is classed as a commercial vessel for maintenance purposes

gone

[Erik L]

Mistakenly changing design alters ship

I don't have the original ship with which to compare, because it got changed.  I had a lovely colony ship-- the Ark.  Its my jumpcapable ship that ferries smaller colony ships to distant startup worlds.  What happened is i opened the design window.  The Ark was the default ship displayed.  Locked, and had ships in service.  Accidentally changed it to a PDC because, well, I wanted to design a PDC.

The popup telling me things would be changed appeared, and phfoosh.  Turned it back to a ship and this is what the existing ark, in service, turned into:

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Ark class Colony Ship 350 tons     479 Crew     74.5 BP      TCS 7  TH 0  EM 0
1 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control 1     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 0%    IFR: 0%    Maintenance Capacity 0 MSP

Fuel Capacity 150,000 Litres    Range 0.0 billion km   (0 days at full power)


This ship is classed as a commercial vessel for maintenance purposes

gone

This is known behavior. Not sure if Steve classes this as a bug though.

[dooots]

If you fire missiles at a way point and remove the way point the same increment that the missiles are fired the missiles will head to the center of the system.

[Charlie Beeler]

If you fire missiles at a way point and remove the way point the same increment that the missiles are fired the missiles will head to the center of the system.

Personally, when I do things like this (and I do), I call it a "stupid user trick" or "learning opportunity". 

[dooots]

Personally, when I do things like this (and I do), I call it a "stupid user trick" or "learning opportunity". 

I agree, but a quick search through the 5.0+ bug threads didn't bring it up so I figured I would report it.

[sloanjh]

I agree, but a quick search through the 5.0+ bug threads didn't bring it up so I figured I would report it.

It's generally a really bad idea to remove waypoints that are in use.  IIRC, removing a waypoint that's a target of a ship's movement orders results in REALLY nasty behavior (like missing record errors) - don't remember what it is, since I put it into the "don't do that" category

John

[Father Tim]

The center of every system is co-ordinate [0,0].  Erasing the target waypoint 'erased' the missiles target - which in computer speak set it to zero.  Hence, missiles head for center of system.

[Father Tim]

Mistakenly changing design alters ship

I don't have the original ship with which to compare, because it got changed.  I had a lovely colony ship-- the Ark.  Its my jumpcapable ship that ferries smaller colony ships to distant startup worlds.  What happened is i opened the design window.  The Ark was the default ship displayed.  Locked, and had ships in service.  Accidentally changed it to a PDC because, well, I wanted to design a PDC.

gone

Congratulations!  You found a loophole in the 'user protection scheme'.  You're not supposed to be able to change a Locked design in this way, but it sounds like the 'Ship/PDC/Fighter' dropdown isn't properly locking when a design is 'Locked'.

[dooots]

It's generally a really bad idea to remove waypoints that are in use.  IIRC, removing a waypoint that's a target of a ship's movement orders results in REALLY nasty behavior (like missing record errors) - don't remember what it is, since I put it into the "don't do that" category

John

But you have to remove the way point for the missiles to attack targets they see with their sensors.

The center of every system is co-ordinate [0,0].  Erasing the target waypoint 'erased' the missiles target - which in computer speak set it to zero.  Hence, missiles head for center of system.

Actually it seems to be missiles are fired and then the next turn / sub pulse they are given a target so I was removing the target before they had been assigned to it.

[Narmio]

But you have to remove the way point for the missiles to attack targets they see with their sensors.

It seems like this this, not the result of doing this too early, is the actual bug here.

[dooots]

It seems like this this, not the result of doing this too early, is the actual bug here.

That is up to Steve to decide.  As it is now neither is really a bug just a lack of user safety or ease of use.