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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2013, 04:48:22 PM »
Part of the charm of a good story. Afterall without a doom quota victory is less victorious. Or something!
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« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2013, 06:42:13 AM »
Good reading i was going to do an aar but my universe with all spoilers turned off but nprs randomly on 25 star systems and ive found no sign of life that combined with a few large systems next to sol is making expansion slow and steady but boring
 

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« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2013, 07:25:12 AM »
AD 2277 A Perfect Storm

June 5

It took some time before the message reached Commadore Frasier from Cmdr. Benson on the Perryvale.  However, with over 50 min of transmission delay it was impossible to hold a conversation.  Cmdr. Benson's AAR left him with a fairly good idea of what the situation in HIP 51317 was.  First he got the message to his staff that no information was to be released on the 3rd Squadron to the general public.  He contacted the Prime Minister, the honorable Ronald Getti and after informing him of incidents recommended that the Naval Oversight Commision be called together to meet and discuss the situation this morning.  He wanted approval to start construction of replacement ships as soon as possible.  He also had his staff arange a meeting with Mr. Buxtdorf for the afternoon.

The NOC chairman was surprised to find the Prime Minister and Minister for Defence, Marvin Beauchamp, in attendance.  The documentation requiring signatures about disemination of sensitive information raised eyebrows all around the table.  Once the relative short briefing was over with and while the committee members were still dealing with the shock of the news, the Prime Minister stated the Government needed time to prepare an official response to both the loss of the Ericson but also the action at the jump point.  In response to direct questioning on the possible timing of his announcement Commadore Frasier states that he doubts the situation can be kept under wraps past the arrival of the support group in some 3 days.  After some disucssion the NOC agreed to authorize two Terriers and a London.  Commadore Frasier promises a full review of the intel on the Perryvale, a pair of inquests and a plan on how to rescue the ships still in HIP 51317.  He is blunt about the fact that right now the Navy had only limited information to go on.  Commadore Frasier then catches a sub orbital shuttle to Cantebury and meet with Commisioner Buxtdorf.  This meeting was far more congenial and he left it with the Commisioner to inform BuSurvey about the loss of the Ericson.  He knew it would take some days to organize together with the Navy how the families would be informed, and that delay would fit into the Prime Minister's plans.


June 6

While no practical faster than light communication system exists outside of science fiction, rumors were moving through the navy at near light speed.  Something was clearly a foot with the Commadore on the move of a sudden, a simultaneous tightening of overall security and a great many new activities starting up.  Queries as to stock levels, requests for new quotes, the mundane fact that many officers were suddenly missing from their usual haunts made even the least observent of the Petty Officers's hair stand upright.  A pinnace leaves Earth orbit a max velocity heading for the 2nd Squadron at the jump point to Wolf 359 to collect Cpt. Morganrot.  

The office of the Prime Minister is equally busy this day as the PM and his spin-staff try to come up with a way to make this most unpalatable of pills easier to swallow.  Unfortunately, during question period that afternoon the Leader of the Opposition, Wyoming de Silva, inquired as to why new naval funding was being allocated without any discussion in the Assembly.  This left the Defence Minister scrambling to come up with an answer.  He took his three steps and then hurled the ball to the PM who elected to throw the ball with intent to injure rather than score.  The Leader of the Opposition refused to say how she knew of the plans, and was actually surprised by the statements of the government side.  Unfortunately or fortunately the period ended before either the discussion degenerated into a complete flame war or before anone got satisfactory responses to the original question.  It did create a stir in the house that the reporters covering the Assembly didn't miss.  The topic was of general interest to most of the members of the Assembly as Naval contracts were generally big money and with an election in the short term future getting a slice of that was good for your prospects of returning to Goose Green.  

The political parties were bombarding the Navy with requests for information, and given their status as Members of the Assembly they had some expectation of answers.  The PM contacted Commadore Frasier, who could only reply that the ships were still too far out for efficient communications.  Since waiting was now potentially costing the PM and his party votes he informes Commadore Frasier that the PM will announce the situation that evening and he requests that Frasier join him for the announcement.  Neither BuSurvey nor the Navy had finished the process of aranging for visits to the crew members families.  In the case of the Navy the crew of the Dalmatian, Mastiff and Cleveland were officially catagorized as "Missing in Action."  This ment the families were going to find out from a news broadcast in most cases.  The PM was adament though as he could see his political future was on the line if he stalled much longer and his spin doctors told him to go now while he could be still seen as leading rather than responding.  

To say the announcement went over like a lead balloon is an understatement.  The loss of a third science vessel, the fact that it mirrored to a high degree the loss of the Hudson, added to that the announcement that Human ships had engaged the Wolvers and must be considered lost, plus the fact there were still 3 ships trapped in the system.  One of these could be sugar coated, but not all of them.  News agencies went into overdrive and the Navy was in their sights.  Protests sprung up on the interweb and the newsies decended on the families of crewmembers looking for the personal touch.  Worse to most questions the PM had to respond with "we don't yet know and will not for two more days until the 3rd Squadron Support Group arrives at Earth."

June 7

Some groups had felt cheated by the Morganrot Inquest results and they had enough political acumen to launch a triple assault.  The PM and Minister of Defence were bombarded with questions in the Assembly, they also questioned if the NCC was doing its job.  Perhaps the Commisioner was too young, too in-experienced to provide proper oversight was their second prong.  Lastly the raised the question of "too much autonomy" in the Navy.  The Putinites were backing this as they suggested it would be good perhaps to have "government oversight" of the Navy command staff.  The last nearly caused the loss of a monitor when Commadore Frasier heard of it, then he stated that perhaps a year and half away from Earth in a cramped ship would give the Putinites some perspective.  Crowds formed protesting the Navy's actions in several major centres during the day as shock turned to anger.  The Navy went into lock down mode as most personel were suddenly restricted to bases and requests for interviews by the press were largely turned down.  The reception of visits by Naval Chaplin's at many households were met with slamed doors.

Then came something no one expected.  After the anouncement on the 6th the leaders of the Earth's universities that belonged to the umbrella organization "The University Network" or UN for short gave a press conference.  In it they catagorically stated that no more students, post-docs or staff would be seconded to BuSurvey until they had some guarentee's their people would be protected.  Survey ships were crewed by Naval personel it is true but survey operations was more often than not performed by UN members.  Students ranged from astrophysicists and astronomers to doctorates in engineering, the ships being ideal research platforms for a great many space related science fields.  It was good opertunity for young scientists to gain practical knowledge in technical matters and they routinely did the majority of the gravitational analysis.  Faculty would take sabaticals on the ships when they were deployed as it gave them time to write papers and pursue their interests free of teaching classes.  Dr. Lougheed had been one of the formost researchers in the field of N-dimensional Mathematics for example.  This sudden announcement blindside everyone and while not the purpose of the UN played into the hands of rabble rousers.

June 8

The squadron would dock today and the station was in lock down with shore patrol squads deployed to keep the docking section reserved for the 3rd Squadron free of non-essential personel.  This was essentially anyone not wearing a navy uniform.  By the time the ships passed the lunar orbit several shots of them began appearing on the news.  Taken from amature telescopes they were more or less indisint smuges but the ship watchers chat rooms were full of speculation.  The Edmonton and the Protecteur classes were very distinct ships due to their functions so even without the Government's statement a few days before the fact this was a support group would have been hard to hide.

The three ships slid into the dock and nothing could disguse that the ships had seen battle from the people watching both from the Dock and from telescopes either on the Earth, a ship or the moon.  The Perryvale had  a large ablated area on her side with the scorched mark of where the plasma had been deflected by the ships shields trailing to the stern.  The Paul Bunyon's stern showed both a plasma ablation crater plus the jury rigging of an engine, where an external truss had been errected to bring in control and coolent around an area that had been turned into a molten blob.  The Warder showed no damage but all her launch rail exits were pitted and surrounded by the burn markes of combat launches were missiles went to full power only meters after exiting the hull.  Minutes after the last of the ships confirmed hard dock and umbillical attachment the ships began downloading their files to the Naval central computer on the dock.  The command staff of the ships were ferried down to Churchill for a debriefing.

The news agencies were stonewalled officially but they were able to get clear pictures of the ships now orbiting Earth and they increased their efforts to pry information out of the Government and the Navy.  The Government was finding itself the centre of attention in a way few politico's really like.  They were defending their actions and deflecting as much onto Commisioner Buxtdorf as they could.  The Commisioner suddenly found himself defending actions that he had not known of from people who were taking extreme satisfaction in making him squirm and at the same time he was trying to re-assure the UN so that he could man BuSurvey ships.  Public confidence in the Navy was in Free Fall.  The demands for information and re-assurance came both from Earth but also from Luna and Mars.

June 10

Protests now surrounded most Naval facilities with crowds demonstrating against the "infective, incompetent, tin plated, old fashioned navy."  You would think that the navy practiced floggings and keel hauling, not to mention child sacrifice the way some political parties raved about their activities.  Commadore Frasier had over the last two days added a new acronym to the Navy Lexicon...WNP...not exacly "Weapons of Mass Destruction" this was "Wacho's, Newsies, and Politicians."  The three groups of people who now he had to deal with daily.  The PM's support for the Navy had been sporatic as clearly he had more important issues than keeping the heat off the navy to deal with.  With the Commisioner being hounded the Navy was alone, and the people who set this in motion were licking their lips as they closed in for the kill of their political lives.

Then the Navy called a news conference.  The next day the PM's staff would experience a sudden change-over as his press secretary didn't attach much importance to what the Navy might want to say, given the need to deal with the plunging approval ratings and the demands of the back benchers.  That approval from the PM's staff was all Frasier needed.  He showed up to the conference held in a Naval training room and told the assembled news reporters he had only a few things to tell them.  Behind him a sytlized battle display appeared.  As he identified the various groups their names flashed.  Then the recorded voice of Cpt. Wells filled the room giving his last orders to the Support Group filled the room and killing the hum of conversation dead.  "The information he refered to ladies and gentlemen is this."  Behind flashed a computer generated image of Wovler Ship Killer Missile with a human being to give it scale.  "Thier missiles are more advanced than ours.  However, this ladies and gentlemen is a TorAr Goaltender array."  The picture changed to a view of the Naval Fort on the moon.  "We have run dozens of simulations, in every case we stopped the Wolver missiles.  Our worlds are not defenceless."  The Goaltender array had until that point in history been considered nothing more than a politcal porkbarrel to give commision money to New Toronto.  The company, Toronto Arsenal, saw its stock triple in value overnight.  A collage of computer generated pictures rippled past the viewers in each case "ALL MISSILES INTERCEPTED" showed in glowing letters.  "This is a wolver ship."  A computer enhanced veiw generated from the partial hull map showed up behind him.  "This is a concept for our new destroyer class of combat vessels.  To scale."  They were identical.  The Navy was not under any illusions the Hiyru's were the largest Wolver ship but Frasier had ordered this briefing be made as he said it "for fools, idiots and the slowwitted." "I will take five questions from the press, you can decide who asks them."  Chum into a shark tank described the effect of that statement.  The officers and men who had worked on that presentation for the last 18 hours straight got royally drunk after the Commadore left the room turning the stage over to his PR staff.

The Navy Engineering teams that had analysed the battle recordings were still busy.  The next day the inquest into the loss of the SV Leif Ericson convened.

June 15

As the situation was fairly straight forward the Inquest on the SV Leif Ericson's loss was moving quickly.  The fact that Cpt. Wells had acknowledged the threat in his orders, and will the full support Cmdr. Stokes but that neither had felt the chance of an encounter given the nature of the system bodies they could see was obvious.  Cmdr. Stokes was on record as saying that "in light of the recent events caution seems advised."  But it was equally clear that neither felt this system possed a risk to the survey force.  Cpt. Wells had even ordered the Battlegroup refueled in prepartion for a probe before canceling it due his ships not having sufficient fuel even after refueling.

Beyond the usual recommendation for improvements to sensor systems the inquest found the following:

Finding 1:  The committee finds Cmdr. Elliot Stokes not responsible for the loss of the SV Leif Ericson.   The ship was engaged by an ambush it could not detect.
Finding 2:  The committee finds no reason for him to have considered this system one with a Wolver presence.  Based on all previous encounters with Wolvers a planet at least marginally habitable has been observed.    HIP 51317 is largely filled with inhosptiable or at best marginally habitable worlds.  
Finding 3:  The committee finds that Cpt. Wells had the means to send a single probe vessel to explore the planets of HIP 51317.  He should have done so before releaseing the survey vessels.  The committee finds the evidence compelling that with their better sensors a Naval vessel operating in EMCON 5 would have been able to avoid triggering contact with the Wolvers.

Recomendation 1:  That further survey efforts be relegated to safe already partially surveyed systems until a new generation of science vessel is commissioned.

The fact the Navy did not clear Cpt. Wells completely came as shock.  The polls that had been more like a yo-yo shot continoued their overall behavior but suddenly new voices started to be heard.  Searches over "The Alamo" and "Custer's Last Stand" began to be associated with Cpt. Wells.   As the actions of the Überwachter pinnace and Ensign Standish had come up in this inquest, and even though the Sentinal's mission was the basis of Finding 3, interweb groups formed around sudden fans of the crew.  Ensign Standish being voted "the person most likely to get laid next shoreleave" by one group of female fans to the amusment of his class mates who all knew Standish as a good pilot but useless with members of the opposite sex, becomeing tongue tied in their presence.  

[ooc]There will be more on this topic later.  Its a lot harder to write it up then it is to think it through.[/ooc]
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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2013, 03:19:37 AM »
AD 2277 A Perfect Storm Part II

June 15

Naval Engineering and Design had done their best with the data from HIP 31517 and had not only determined the sole NC naval weapon that could meet the Wolvers head on was the Goaltender, whose tracking speed of 10 000 km/s had initially been seen as absurdly high.  They also looked at the missile itself.  Using available technology they built a human missile design that was the same size and looked at what they would get compared to the Wolvers.  The human version:  max speed: 6700 km/s, range: 7.6 m km, damage: scale 3 nuclear.  The wolver version:  max speed: 11200 km/s, range: 8+-1 m km (estimate), damage: scale 9 nuclear.   The gap between the missiles was significant, a factor of 2 in speed, and 3 in warhead and an unknown amount in onboard avionics.

There was some debate about the range of the Wolver ship killer but NED was fairly certain it wasn't as long as the Javelin's and they point out that successive Javelin series have lost range with enhanced engine performance so it isn't nonsensical.  There is only so much space in that size missile. [ooc]I could be wrong but so far as I can check it is consistant with when missiles arrived, if the range had been longer they should have shown up sooner.[/ooc]

Additionally they have worked out that the missile will cover 56 000 km in 5 s.  The current missile detection sensors have a maximum detection range of 54 000 km this means that if they detect the missile with enough time to give a chance to fire is not assured.  NED proposed that Seimen's be approached to make 3 versions of the Vigalent systems.  An upgraded version for the current Frigates and Escorts with a detection range of 76 000 km, a version for the Heavy Frigates with a detection range of 122 000 km and a version for the destroyers with a dection range of 176 000 km.  This gives 5, 10 and 15 s warning to the ship of the inbound Wolver missiles.  Shoehorning the system into the current series of warships should be possible at the cost of some engineering space.  They also strongly endorse more basic research into sensor systems, as this is pretty much a work around to the work around.  As one engineer stated in the meeting "We are adding a second bloody layer of duct tape to stabilize the first.  Fix the problem damnit!"

Commadore Frasier approaches Commissioner Buxtdorf about transfer laboratory complexes from the fuel issue to this project.  With the slippage of the delivery date assured anyway it is not going to affect the overall situation and will improve the combat effectiveness of not olly the current but also the next generation of ships.  The NCC is initially reluctant but the logic is compelling (more so as the Navy is largely protecting their investment) so an agreement is reached to turn over 5 of the 6 research complexes to begin development of anti-missile sensors in cooperation with Seimen's.  It is hoped that the time lost will be made up later by Dr. Rowley's increased management experience.

June 20

The NCC rallied behind the Commissioner and by this time calls for his removal began to look self-serving.  Commissioner Buxtdorf had a both a spotless personal life but an impressive number of achievement under his belt.  He was young but he was also dynamic and got the job done.  He took a cue from the Navy and went with a straight forward approach that resonated well with the middle income slice of the population but also with the leaders of industry who were making money hand over fist from commission contracts.  The NCC's popularity was down overall due to the UN's stance.  While few people got too upset about the death of someone who worked on something that they could not see any practical value to, the death of the students was a differnt matter.  They had blogs, webpages, social contacts and even if many were geeks, nerds and wierdos having their smiling faces plastered over the interweb was putting it mildly bad for the public image.  But the Universities main goal was not to shut down BuSurvey but to get policy changed.  Attempts to hijack their campaign didn't go so well once the UN was assured the NCC was paying attention to them.  Intentional or not, though it remained the root cause of a substantial loss in approval from the general public.

While both the Navy and NCC could use facts to hammer away at the campaigns agaisnt them the Government was in a different arena.  Perception rather than reality was the issue.  Making matters worse was the perception of the perception of the degree of control the government could, let alone should, have.  The biggest problem the NCC (and for that matter the Navy) had was making people understand how vast the distance were in space.  When the PM could monitor a drone over the Med in real time, or look through the thermal sight of an AFV training in Wainright from his office computer the expectation was that "hands on management" could be applied to ships often over an hour away at the speed of light; a distance, which made holding a conversation impossible.  Events were over before you knew they had happened.  This was a situation that had last been experienced in the 18th Century or during the Collapse.  And even then for the most part advanced communication had always been available even if it didn't work quite "up to spec."  People expected the Govenment knew about what was going on.  The reality was they didn't.  The other reality was the opposition knew this, and had to take great care not to end up shooting themselves in the foot should they successfully force an election and win.  That didn't change the fact attack ads could be described in fencing terms:  attack, parry, ripost, parry, remise of the attack, stop cut.  It wasn't pretty and by this time both sides were like punch drunk fighters in an illegal ring.  Traction on the NCC was also very poor, both the Government and Opposition had been riding on the coattails of the NCCs economic management and so pointing fingers was dangerous and at least for the major parties was something even in a time they were strongly divided on other matters brought supprising consensous to squash things like a Putinite private members bill to put Political Representives on all Naval vessels.   "We don't need no Russki commisars on our ships!"  

Into this stepped Commadore Frasier and Captain's Morganrot and Nimm.  They met with the Minister of Defence and the PM to discuss what was known in the Navy as Operation Poet.  After the presentation there was dead silence.  
"You are out of your mind."  The Minister of Defence states.  "That is insane."
"Do you want to announce we won't make an effort to rescue those ships Mr. Beauchamp."  Frasier's voice was level and mild.
"I didn't say that!"  Beauchamp hits the table, "But you are proposing sending every ship we have through the jump point with no idea what is on the other side."
"Yes.  Nothing else will work.  We make it big or we sleep in the street."  Frasier states.  "Putting a few ships in will result in their loss if the Wolvers are at the jump point.  Putting as many of our ships as possible in will give us the best chance to make this happen."
"Or get them all destroyed."
"Or get them all destroyed."  Frasier nods.
"That is insane.  No."  Beauchamp looks at the PM, "No.  You will have my resignation in an hour, Ron.  I will not be a party to this madness."  He stands and leaves the room.
The PM looks at the three naval officers.  "He is right.  It is crazy."  He looks at the two captains, and shakes his head.  "Why?"
Frasier looks at him for a long moment.  "Right now I know only one thing about what is going on in HIP 51317.  And that one thing is that every man on those ships expects we will try to rescue them...they expect we will be there for them."  He stops.  "People will judge this by if it works or not.  If it doesn't they will say we made the wrong decision that 3 ships weren't worth 9.  They may even be right.  But I know that I can look myself in the mirror the day after if we try and fail."
The Honorable Prime Minister of the Northern Colation looked at the three Naval officers for a long time not speaking.  
Finally.  "Make it happen Commadore." he pauses, "Mission approved."  He looks at the two captains.  "Good luck."  They were both going in the first wave.
The officers stand and salute before leaving the PM's office.

"I didn't think he would have the testicular fortitude for that."  Diana's voice is amused as she looks at the other two.
"Diana, that is the head of the government."  Frasier works to suppress a smile, "Show some bloody respect eh?"
"Aye aye sir."

Operation Poet was go.  Now the real work would start.

[ooc]Actually this is mostly projected into the future as the game is at june 5th 0950 but I will follow what is written here as I advance things.  The trick is that the 1st Sqn. BG is in overhaul (clock is currently at 0.8 ) but I see the abandon overhaul command so that is ok.  I need to do a more careful look into movement for this to have the timing come off half decently.  I'm not sure it is obvious but essentially what is happening on the political front at the moment is that people are waking up to the fact they have acquired an "empire" and they never realy thought about how to control it.  The NCC isn't exactly the British East Indies Company nor for that matter the Hudson Bay Company but similarities exist.[/ooc]
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« Reply #49 on: February 16, 2013, 03:28:48 AM »
Good reading i was going to do an aar but my universe with all spoilers turned off but nprs randomly on 25 star systems and ive found no sign of life that combined with a few large systems next to sol is making expansion slow and steady but boring

2 NPR empires exist, but the NPR generation chance is low (some few %) based on my Starfire experience that this can get out of hand quickly.  But this AAR is pretty much dullish logistic events with the occasional obliteration.  It is interesting how events can take a life of their own.

The NC Navy is also starting to wonder seriously about the Wolvers as they gain more contact information.  The sample size is small and the variance is large so they are mostly in the wild conjecture stage.

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« Reply #50 on: February 21, 2013, 06:19:47 AM »
OPERATION POET

PRELIMINARY PLANNING DOCUMENT

COMMANDING OFFICER:  Cpt. P. Morgenrot

FORCES:
1st&2nd Squadron/TG1/1st Fleet
3rd Squadron Support Group/TG1/1st Fleet
Alpha Tanker Mission
Beta Tanker Mission
Interstellar Survey III (SV Thor Hyerdahl)


OBJECTIVE:
HIP 51317
Recover the Sentinal, Johannes Kepler, and Nicolaus Coperincous from the system


ENEMY FORCES
HIP 51317
KNOWN WOLVER COMBATENTS: 2 Tama Class (unknown size), 3 Hiyru Class (Destroyer sized ships)
DISPOSITION:
Unknown.  NI gives high probablity Tama class will be found at a distance of 1 million km from entry jump point based on observed behavior.  Hiyru class ships were in combat and have expended an unknown fraction of their onboard magazine capacity.  NI gives a low to medium probability they have withdrawn from the entry jump point to remunition.  Insufficient tactical intellegence exists to guess Wolver dispositions with certainty.

NCN FORCE IN HIP 51317 DISPOSITION
Entry jump point is located near jump point 7 (520 m km @ 254° from entry jump point) and jump point 4 (940 m km @ 88° from entry jump point)

Current locatioin unknown.  NI considers that the Sentinal would have proceeded on course to jump point 1.  From there the most likely course is to jump point 5 and then to jump point 7.  The Grav Survey Missions will end up at survey location 17 and 18.  Expect that they will rendevous with Sentinal at jump point 7.  The Sentinal must travel 4 billion km, the GSMs will have to travel 1.1 and 2 billion km from their final survey locations.  Velocity used by NCN and BuS ships is unknown so exact travel times are impossible to estimate.  At full speed the Sentinal will require: 24 days.  The GSM will require: 19 days for the longest trip.  Assuming the ships average velocity is 50% of maximum it will take the Sentinal 48 days to go from its last reported position to the rendevous point, and it will take the 38 days from the end of the survey for the BuS to effect the rendevous.  This would put the ships on jump point 7 on October 1.

NI considers it likely that once he has both GSMs with the Sentinal Lt. Cmdr. Bryan will proceed to entry jump point.  He will take into account the longest range sensor observed for Wolver ships (131 m km), the maximum range observed in the battle (43 m km) and will head for a way point between 150-250 m km at a bearing between 250° and 10° from the entry jump point.  Estimate a travel time for the Sentinal plus GSMs (assuming moving at 600 km/s) of 10 days.


MOVEMENT SCHEDULE
04.08  Alpha&Beta Tanker Missions depart for jump point to Wolf 358 in AD Leonis.
09.08  IS III departs for jump point to Wolf 358 in AD Leonis.
14.08  2nd Squadron BG departs Wolf 359 jump point for jump point to Wolf 358 in AD Leonis
18.08  1st Squadron, 2nd&3rd Sqn SG's depart for jump point to Wolf 358 in AD Leonis
15.09  All ships rendevous at jump point to Wolf 358 in AD Leonis.  NCN refuel from Tanker Missions.  Tanker Missions depart Sol.
03.10  NCN ships arrive at jump point to HIP 51317 in Wolf 358
15.10  Start Operation (initial transit)

INITIAL TRANSIT FORCE (ITF)
2nd Squadron BG
1st Squadron BG (-) (TERRIER, LONDON)
3 EDMONTON CLASS JT


2ND WAVE FORCE (2WF)
1st Squadron BG (-) (TERRIER, GUARDIAN)
1 EDMONTON CLASS JT (FROM ITF)


PLAN

ITF will do a combat jump to secure the jump point.  One EDMONTON class JT will jump back to ferry the 2WF through.  Primary objective is to determine Wolver strength and disposition.  Secondary Objective is to establish communication with the Sentinal.  NC Forces must hold jump point for approximately 60 hours if NI estimates of Sentinal and GSM location are correct.   Once Sentinal and GSM arrive at entry warp point they are to be ferried through and the NCN ships will retire from the system.

 Thor Hyerdahl will be on station at jump point to AD Leonis in Wolf 358 to function as emergancy jump tender if the jump tenders of the ITF are destroyed.
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Combat Ships

Heavy Frigate Class Vessels

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Wounded Knee class Heavy Frigate    4,500 tons     130 Crew     576.4 BP      TCS 90  TH 150  EM 180
2222 km/s     Armour 1-24     Shields 6-300     Sensors 15/15/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 13
Maint Life 9.34 Years     MSP 320    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 7    5YR 99    Max Repair 30 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 3  
Magazine 75  
 
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 76%    Signature 30    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 350,000 Litres    Range 18.4 billion km   (95 days at full power)
GE Barrier A119 (6)   Total Fuel Cost  54 Litres per day
 
Nordion Buckler CM Launch System (3)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 30
Nordion Arbalist ASM Launch System (2)    Missile Size 5    Rate of Fire 150
Grumman SCMFC 52-50 (1)     Range 3.0m km    Resolution 1
Telus ASMFC 53-1000 (1)     Range 20.1m km    Resolution 20
Hawk II Counter Missile (24)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 21m    Range: 5.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 25 / 15 / 7
Javelin III Anti-Ship Missile (10)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 63.2m    Range: 15.2m km   WH: 4    Size: 5    TH: 29 / 17 / 8
 
Seimens SSS 53-3000 (1)     GPS 1800     Range 11.6m km    Resolution 60
Seimens SCMS Extra Vigilant 52/3-0050 (1)     GPS 23     Range 1.1m km    Resolution 1
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
 
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Wounded Knee class of heavy frigate is a direct upgrade of the Terrier and is the ship the entire heavy frigate series will be based around for construction compatability.  It doubles the throw weight of the Terrier class ships but is capable of only 5 salvos.  The missile sensor can pick up a Wolver missile at over 100k km.  The ship is 10% faster than the older Terriers, has 50% more shield strength and double their endurance though the ship has much larger fuel tanks.  With the yards set to produce Wounded Knee class ships all heavy frigate class vessels except for the Edinbourgh can be built.


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Lake class Corvette    4,500 tons     116 Crew     512.5 BP      TCS 90  TH 150  EM 180
2222 km/s     Armour 1-24     Shields 6-300     Sensors 15/15/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 14.28
Maint Life 9.07 Years     MSP 285    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 6    5YR 94    Max Repair 30 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 0  
 
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 76%    Signature 30    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 350,000 Litres    Range 18.4 billion km   (95 days at full power)
GE Barrier A119 (6)   Total Fuel Cost  54 Litres per day
 
TorAr Goaltender Laser Array (2x1)    Range 30,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 3-1     RM 1    ROF 15        3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Grundig Sureshot Mk1-25/20X  BFC (2)    Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 2500 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
CANDU AHW 6MW (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%
 
Seimens SCMS Extra Vigilant 52/3-0050 (1)     GPS 23     Range 1.1m km    Resolution 1
Seimens SSS 53-3000 (1)     GPS 1800     Range 11.6m km    Resolution 60
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Lake class Corvettes is an upgrade of the London class Escort.  Based on combat experience with the London's it carries a pair of Goaltender YAG laser arrays each controlled via an independant targeting system.  The CANDU Advanced reactor could power them both fully but capacitor issues stop this, the reactor is maintained to allow for easy upgrades in the future.  The Lakes will function as area defence escorts for the battlegroup.  Naval archetics were never able to get a London design that was construction compatable with the Terrier and mounted the Goaltender leaving the ship with its original laser barbettes.

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Gargoyle class Heavy Frigate Escort    4,500 tons     113 Crew     580.4 BP      TCS 90  TH 150  EM 180
2222 km/s     Armour 1-24     Shields 6-300     Sensors 15/15/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 6
Maint Life 9.45 Years     MSP 322    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 7    5YR 98    Max Repair 30 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Flight Crew Berths 12  
Hangar Deck Capacity 250 tons     Magazine 110  
 
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 76%    Signature 30    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 350,000 Litres    Range 18.4 billion km   (95 days at full power)
GE Barrier A119 (6)   Total Fuel Cost  54 Litres per day
 
Nordion Buckler CM Launch System (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 30
Grumman SCMFC 52-50 (2)     Range 3.0m km    Resolution 1
Hawk II Counter Missile (108)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 21m    Range: 5.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 25 / 15 / 7
 
Seimens SCMS Extra Vigilant 52/3-0050 (1)     GPS 23     Range 1.1m km    Resolution 1
Seimens SSS 53-3000 (1)     GPS 1800     Range 11.6m km    Resolution 60
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
 
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Gargoyle is an update of the Guardian class but with substantially increased fire power as the number of counter missile launcher has been doubled.  Two fire controls are mounted in the ship; each controlling 3 CM tubes to allow for flexible response and decrease the ships vulurablity to battle damage.  The magazine space has been doubled giving the ship 18 full salvos.  The Gargolye remains the only ship in the battle group that carries a pinnance.  It proved impossible to add the boat bay to the other ship classes.


Destroyer Class Vessels


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Tribal class Destroyer    9,000 tons     219 Crew     1066.9 BP      TCS 180  TH 330  EM 270
2444 km/s     Armour 2-38     Shields 9-300     Sensors 15/15/0/0     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 30.28
Maint Life 5.29 Years     MSP 370    AFR 129%    IFR 1.8%    1YR 22    5YR 331    Max Repair 32 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Flight Crew Berths 17  
Hangar Deck Capacity 250 tons     Magazine 120  
 
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S (11)    Power 40    Fuel Use 76%    Signature 30    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 620,000 Litres    Range 16.3 billion km   (77 days at full power)
GE Barrier A119 (9)   Total Fuel Cost  81 Litres per day
 
TorAr Goaltender Laser Array (2x1)    Range 30,000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 3-1     RM 1    ROF 15        3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Grundig Sureshot Mk1-25/20X  BFC (1)    Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 2500 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
CANDU AHW 6MW (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%
 
Nordion Arbalist ASM Launch System (2)    Missile Size 5    Rate of Fire 150
Nordion Buckler CM Launch System (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 30
Telus ASMFC 53-1000 (1)     Range 20.1m km    Resolution 20
Grumman SCMFC 52-50 (2)     Range 3.0m km    Resolution 1
Hawk II Counter Missile (60)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 21m    Range: 5.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 25 / 15 / 7
Javelin III Anti-Ship Missile (12)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 63.2m    Range: 15.2m km   WH: 4    Size: 5    TH: 29 / 17 / 8
 
Seimens SCMS Super Vigilant 53/3-0050 (1)     GPS 33     Range 1.6m km    Resolution 1
Seimens SSS 53-3000 (1)     GPS 1800     Range 11.6m km    Resolution 60
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
 
Strike Group
1x Fairmile B2(EW) Pinnace   Speed: 2325 km/s    Size: 4.3
 
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Tribal class destroyer is the NCN's first major combat vessel.  Each Tribal carries the firepower of an entire Terrier based Battlegroup so they are a major increase in force projection for the navy.  The ship's mount shields capabable of stopping a Wolver missile and a thickened armour belt making them more robust in combat.  They are 20% faster than a Terrier and 10% faster than a Wounded Knee class of frigate.  They carry twin Goaltender YAG laser arrays allowing ships in the battlegroup to support each other in close defence.  The ship carries 6 CM launchers divided into 2 batteries of 3 lauchers and a pair of AS launchers.  Each destroyer can carry a pinnance.  Though technologically primative compared to a Wolver ship this is the first NCN vessel the Navy thinks may have a chance, if deployed in sufficient numbers, to engage the Wolvers in combat and survive.  They have two drawbacks.  The first is a limited magazine capacity and the second is that even though the ship requires 600,000 l of fuel (20,000 l of fuel is carreid for the pinnace) its range is less than that of a Wounded Knee heavy frigate.  Based on this the Navy intends to request the development of a larger engine size which should boost fuel efficiency and reduce the number of individual engines needed.  


Support Ships

Heavy Frigate Class Vessels

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Flower class Jump Tender    4,500 tons     117 Crew     505.85 BP      TCS 90  TH 150  EM 90
2222 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 2-24     Shields 3-300     Sensors 15/15/0/0     Damage Control Rating 2     PPV 3
Maint Life 3.49 Years     MSP 141    AFR 81%    IFR 1.1%    1YR 18    5YR 265    Max Repair 45 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 1  
Magazine 33  
 
Saab JA3-90     Max Ship Size 4500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S (5)    Power 40    Fuel Use 76%    Signature 30    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 13.2 billion km   (68 days at full power)
GE Barrier A119 (3)   Total Fuel Cost  27 Litres per day
 
Nordion Buckler CM Launch System (3)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 30
Grumman SCMFC 52-50 (1)     Range 3.0m km    Resolution 1
Hawk II Counter Missile (33)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 21m    Range: 5.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 25 / 15 / 7
 
Seimens SCMS Extra Vigilant 52/3-0050 (1)     GPS 23     Range 1.1m km    Resolution 1
Seimens SSS 53-3000 (1)     GPS 1800     Range 11.6m km    Resolution 60
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
 
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Flower class is a jump tender intended to transport heavy frigates through jump points.  Unlike the older Edmonton class it mounts a full electronics suite and carries a battery of counter missiles for self-defence.

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Edinbourgh class Support Vessel    4,500 tons     74 Crew     426.15 BP      TCS 90  TH 147  EM 180
2177 km/s     Armour 1-24     Shields 6-300     Sensors 15/15/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 0
Maint Life 22.5 Years     MSP 1237    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 5    5YR 70    Max Repair 22 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 18 months    Spare Berths 2  
Magazine 104  
 
Rolls Royce NP E-M28S (7)    Power 28    Fuel Use 31.16%    Signature 21    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 650,000 Litres    Range 83.4 billion km   (443 days at full power)
GE Barrier A119 (6)   Total Fuel Cost  54 Litres per day
 
Seimens SCMS Extra Vigilant 52/3-0050 (1)     GPS 23     Range 1.1m km    Resolution 1
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

The Edinbourgh class is an update to the Protecteur class.  It functions as a collier, supply ship and tanker for the squadron.  Based on the experience with the Protecteur multiple Edinbourgh's will be assigned to each squadron.  The class is somewhat slower then Wounded Knee class but uses more fuel efficient engines and the small reduction in overall speed is consider a good trade off.

Bureau of Survey Vessels

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George Vancouver class Survey Ship    4,500 tons     130 Crew     686.95 BP      TCS 90  TH 84  EM 0
1244 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 1-24     Shields 0-0     Sensors 15/15/1/2     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 2
Maint Life 7.18 Years     MSP 382    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 13    5YR 195    Max Repair 100 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Spare Berths 0  
Magazine 12  
 
Saab JA3-90     Max Ship Size 4500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Rolls Royce NP E-M28S (4)    Power 28    Fuel Use 31.16%    Signature 21    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 300,000 Litres    Range 38.5 billion km   (358 days at full power)
 
Nordion Buckler CM Launch System (2)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 30
Grumman SCMFC 52-50 (1)     Range 3.0m km    Resolution 1
Hawk II Counter Missile (12)  Speed: 4,000 km/s   End: 21m    Range: 5.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 25 / 15 / 7
 
Seimens SCMS Vigilant Plus 51/4-0050 (1)     GPS 14     Range 700k km    Resolution 1
Seimens Civ Navi 2M/5000 (1)     GPS 500     Range 2.5m km    Resolution 100
NorTEL IR Array 0-3 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Bell Phased Array P3-15 (1)     Sensitivity 15     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  15m km
Gravitational Survey Sensors (1)   1 Survey Points Per Hour
Geological Survey Sensors (2)   2 Survey Points Per Hour
 
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
 
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

To meet the requirements of various reviews the Amundson class has been upgraded with enhanced electronics, a small counter missile battery and the jump engine from the Flower class.  Its geological sensors have been doubled as it was found this task was what the Amundson's spend the bulk of their time perfoming.  The Navy would have perfered the Goaltender to the CM battery but the space for the array, fire control and power plant was not available (even using a less robust plant then present on the Lake and Tribal Classes).  It also proved impossible to add a boatbay.  The ship is slower than the older Amundson's as well but it is expected that later refits will increase its speed.  BuSurvey is happy to get enhanced electronics and some self defence capacity and the Vancouvers are expected to go into serial production once the current Frigate refits are completed.
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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #52 on: February 25, 2013, 01:56:57 PM »
Exciting. Couple concerns about the designs, though I know they are pressed for technology:

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TorAr Goaltender Laser Array (2x1)    Range 30,000km     TS: 10000 km/s
Grundig Sureshot Mk1-25/20X  BFC (1)    Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 2500 km/s
1. Your Beam Fire Control for the Laser turret is very slow, did you not use the Speed x4 modification for it?

2. Armor is awful thin.

3. I only see a few ship classes with offensive Anti-ship missiles and those only have 2 tubes each. I don't think they will get through any anti-missile defense unless you have a lot of those ships.

I am sure that with the current operation underway, all of this will be learned in-story and remedied by the Navy soon enough!
 

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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #53 on: February 25, 2013, 03:21:33 PM »
[ooc]I updated and hopefully fixed the previous post's spelling and grammar errors.  Thanks to MattyD for pointing out my spelling error here.[/ooc]

AD 2277  September 25 HIP 51317

The Sentinal had been at JP4 since August 3rd, the Oberon's had rendenvoused with her on the 23rd of August for Epsilon GSM and on the 3rd of September for Delta GSM.  The ships had then proceeded causiously towards the jump point leading to Wolf 358.  Lt. Cmdr Brandon Byran didn't know exactly when the Navy would try to return to HIP 51317 but he knew that the closer he was to the jump point the less time it would take his small flotilla of 3 ship to get to the jump tenders.  He had plotted a course to a point 140m km at 90° from the jump point and then he planned to take the ships to a point at 60m km at 0° from the jump point.  The three ships were travelling at 500 km/s which kept their thermal emission down to the point of making them exceptionally hard to detect at ranges greater than a few million km depending on the exact technology the Wolvers had.  At waypoint 1 as it was called he launched Ensign Standish in his pinnance with instructions to do a fly by of the jump point.  If the Wolvers had moved on the chance of his ships rescue would be significantly increased.  The pinnance would fly a path that brought it closer and closer to the jump point while the Sentinal and the two survey ships would head slowly towards the place he intended to wait at 300 km/s making them nearly impossible to detect.

Engisn Standish and the Überwachter pinnance are launched towards the jump point.  They will follow a slightly curving path their speed held to 500 km/s for the first part of the journey and then dropping to 227 km/s (10% of the pinnaces maximum velocity a setting that gave it essentially no thermal output).  The pinnance edges closer to the jump point over the day passing WP3 (Waypoint 3), WP4,  and then on the next day WP5, WP6. WP7.

September 26 11:12 Enroute to WP8

Ensign Standish was actually starting to relax they were closing in on the jump point which was now under 2m km from his small craft when the sensor operator voice interupts his thoughts of what he would when back on the Sentinal.  
"Contact!  Multiple Thermal Contacts!"  Standish didn't even think; hitting the "kill foward movement" button as he his brain tried to catch up with the situation.  "Three Wolver ships...Hiyru class...by the wreckage."  
"Three...oh.."  Standish bit back the words.  "Movement?"  
"None."  There was a collective sigh from the crew as they waited.  
A minute passed.  "Ok...we turn back...we'll head for WP 6 and then turn to rendevous with the Sentinal."  Standish cautiously activated the steering jets turning the Überwachter 180° and then eased his throttle foward so the pinnance was withdrawing at 100 km/s.  A minute later the three wolver contacts were lost to the pinnance's tiny infrared sensors.

September 26  15:35  Enroute to WP7

The Überwachter was now proceeding at a brisk 227 km/s and everyone was over the close call they had just survived when the sensor operator called out again.  "Picking up active sensor pings.  One of the Hiyru's has gone active."  
"Can he see us?"  Standish swallowed hard, they were deep inside the sensors 43m km range but it was designed for detection of 1000 ton ships and the pinnance was only 215 tons.  
The operator punches numbers into his station.  "He should not be able to, his course is way from us...but...not towards anything."  
"Nothing?"  
"Maybe a jump point but no...nothing."  Standish looks around the cockpit and the looks his crew gives back are equally baffled.  Something had spooked the Wolver ship which was now proceed away from them at 8379 km/s.  Being inside a ships active sensor envelope made his hair stand up and cold sweat break out down his back but every second the range increased and with it the chance they could be seen.  So far as he could see they now were completely outside what that ships detection envelope for them was.

September 26  15:41 Enroute to WP7

The crew of the Überwachter had no warning and no chance as 3 Wolver shipkillers bracketed the pinnance and their warheads triggered.  The pinnance was reduced to scrap and the scrap was pulverised by the overlapping shock fronts that struck it.  Ensign Standish and his bridge crew were reduced to neutron activated carbon isotopes before they were even aware of the danger.  A spray of glowing metal, two shocked survivors, who were slamming down their suit visors as precious air poured out, and slick of flouresing sorium fuel maked the location of what moments before had been a pinnance.

September 26 15:45 Sentinal

"Captain!  I'm picking up thermonuclear detonations near the jump point."  
Lt. Cmdr Bradon Byran swore silently.  He could not detect the Hiyru's sensors from here but he didn't think he would be seeing Ensign Standish again.  
"Our range to jump point?"  
"60 m km sir."  
"Communications contact the Oberon's tell them to proceed on course...keep our speed down."  The ships were moving at 300 km/s and their thermal signatures were small at the moment.  Apparently the Wolvers had not left the jump point.  But the maximum range of the Wolver sensors on the ships that had fought Cpt. Wells had been 43m km.

September 26  17:07:56 Sentinal

The ship was proceeding on course for waypoint 2 it was behind the two Oberon's and running in Emcon 5.  Brandon was eating supper when the ship lurched hurling him into the mess table.  The room wobbled and lights flashed on and off as the damage alarm started wailing alternating with the action stations alert.  He picked himself up from the floor, covered like all the others in the mess hall in the remains of the meal they had been eating.  He pulled his head set off his belt slipping it on.  
"Bridge, Captain here.  Status Report."
"We are under attack...manuevering out...going active...activating shields."
"Warn the Oberons."
"Aye aye sir."

[ooc]Crew Quarters destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 1 points of damage. 0 Casualties.
Crew Quarters destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 1 points of damage. 0 Casualties.
Crew Quarters - Small destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 0 points of damage. 0 Casualties.
Engineering Spaces destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 1 points of damage. 1 Casualties.
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 2 points of damage. 2 Casualties.
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 2 points of damage. 1 Casualties.
Rolls Royce NP E-M40S destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 2 points of damage. 3 Casualties.
Fuel Storage destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 1 points of damage. 0 Casualties.
Bell Phased Array P3-15 destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 1 points of damage. 3 Casualties.
Boeing SBMAG destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 2 points of damage. 1 Casualties.
Boat Bay destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 1 points of damage. 3 Casualties.
Nordion Buckler CM Launch System destroyed on Sentinal after receiving 0 points of damage. 1 Casualties.
Strength 9 Nuclear Detonation x3 detected![/ooc]

September 26  17:08:16 Sentinal

"VAMPIRE ONE!" The Sentinal's computer controlled counter missile system registered the flight of inbound Wolver missiles faster than the human operator could call it out and the Grumman targeting system locked them up at 50 km.  The Sentinal shuddered as the two remaining launchers fired their ready rounds.  The sound of the launch booster was a hammering assaulting on the crews ears.  The missiles struggled to re-orient in time to engage the trio of inbound missiles.  They did not succeed.  Five seconds later the Sentinal was engulfed by the plasma from three missiles her still forming shields were ripped appart and her inner structure collapsed spalling molten metal through the remaining crew spaces.  Few of the ships crew made it to life pods, mainly the bridge crew as it was one of the few sections to survive the attack more or less intact along with parts of engineering.

September 26 17:09:26 Nicolaus Coperincus

The small Oberon survey vessel didn't have a chance.  It's survey telescope spotted the inbound missiles barely in time to send a warning to the bridge crew and then the ship was hit by the Wolver strike.  The missiles didn't achieve perfect attack positioning.  The primary spindle shattered under the impact of her twisting engines.  Although the ship came appart under these stresses the wreck was composed of large seperate pieces of hull.  Cmdr. James Byran, unlike his cousin to Brandon, was able to reach a life pod and with the bulk of his crew survived the destruction of his ship.

September 26 17:10:11 Johannes Kepler

Lt. Cmdr. Böðmóðr Mýrson didn't need a priest to read entrails to tell him what his ships fate would be.  He had just arrived on the bridge and was sealing his vacuum suit when the Wolver missiles arrived.  Unlike the Coperincus the Wolver missiles this time more successfully bracketed the human ship.  What came out of the fireball was a twisted mass of spars and plating with nearly no compartment surviving intact.  Lt. Cmdr. Mýrson and most of the bridge crew perished when several suport beams snapped under the strain sending a hail of metal shards sweeping through the bridge.

[ooc](comment edited) Ok...based on The Deadly Shoe's comments I now know what was going on here.  Ah well intel will have a bit of egg on their faces over this when it is found out.[/ooc]
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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #54 on: February 25, 2013, 03:27:57 PM »
On-screen estimates of enemy sensor ranges are based on your EM reception technology; the only thing you can detect from enemy scanners is the Active portion of the sensor.    You'll have to do napkin math approximating their EM strength if you want a more useful estimate of their max range.

Presumably it also updates if you have their EM tech as a 'known' tech in the strategic intel screen but I don't know about that. 

Thermal emissions may not also be reducing properly, I think that's been a bug before WRT Planetary Sensors. 

You could always SM your ships back into life if you feel the narrative has been harmed by a poor or misunderstood mechanic.

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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2013, 03:50:05 PM »
Exciting. Couple concerns about the designs, though I know they are pressed for technology:

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1. Your Beam Fire Control for the Laser turret is very slow, did you not use the Speed x4 modification for it?

2. Armor is awful thin.

3. I only see a few ship classes with offensive Anti-ship missiles and those only have 2 tubes each. I don't think they will get through any anti-missile defense unless you have a lot of those ships.

I am sure that with the current operation underway, all of this will be learned in-story and remedied by the Navy soon enough!

1.The system uses tracking speed x2 and range x4.  Probably this is something that will come back to haunt me, but I assumed that the turret tracking speed would be used...as the ships speed is used for barbette mounts.  The lack of such minor details...makes ship design...an adventure.

2.  Duranium is not plentiful.  That is why the ships mount shields.

3.  That is the problem with using a single standardized AS missile.  The ships are too small to mount many tubes that size.  It isn't really an issue with the PDCs the missile was developed for.  Keep in mind I started with 2 research centers and at the moment am up to 11 of them.  More of an issue for the ships is that they can carry only a limited number of AS missiles in their magazines.  The Navy review will recommend developing a smaller size 3 missile for the frigates but for the moment they are stuck with what they have.  Of course outside of PDC refits the highest priority is given to building more research centres and so there will be over the next few years (and it will take about 3 years for the Tribals to start to enter service) a few more of them.  What is driving me nuts is that while I have lots of some specializations I have no one that is specialized in sensors and I need improved sensors and fire controls badly.  But I have some good energy weapon and missile/kinetics scientists so hopefuly I can get improved attack capacity even if I am blind and deaf.
 

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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2013, 04:09:11 PM »
On-screen estimates of enemy sensor ranges are based on your EM reception technology; the only thing you can detect from enemy scanners is the Active portion of the sensor.    You'll have to do napkin math approximating their EM strength if you want a more useful estimate of their max range.

Presumably it also updates if you have their EM tech as a 'known' tech in the strategic intel screen but I don't know about that. 

Thermal emissions may not also be reducing properly, I think that's been a bug before WRT Planetary Sensors. 

You could always SM your ships back into life if you feel the narrative has been harmed by a poor or misunderstood mechanic.



My tactical intel on the Hiyru class reads: S216/R20 Strength: 216 Resolution: 20 Max Range: 43.2m km GPS 4320

The kicker for me is that I didn't pick up anything with the Sentinal outside of that sensor...which was 17m km too short ranged to see me or so I thought...but if what you say is true then ok now it makes sense.  It sounds like I fell victem to misunderstanding the intel report.  I should not have moved in closer than 100m km it seems.   I'm not sure what triggered the attack on the pinnace, it was hours between when they detected the hiryu's and turned away before the hiyru suddenly went active.  But I've never understood why the Wolvers suddenly hared off to attack the 3rd Squadron on this jump point anyway. 

While it would be nice to have rescued the ships, the other battle has been fought and based on it...I'll let this result stand.
 

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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #57 on: February 26, 2013, 04:30:29 AM »
I seemt o recollect reading somewhere that NPRs will randomly turn on and off their sensors to check on the surroundings. I've also had plenty of encounters where I thought my ships were out of range sensors but eneded up being detected and shot down.

Looking forward with some trepidation to reading the results of the rescure attempt....

I feel your frustration in not having a sensor specialist in the research team, it's certainly causing real issues for the combat effectiveness of your ships.

What's your thinking behind putting a full set of active and passive sensors on even your smallest ships? Your fleet doctrine seems to be to operate the samller ships in mutually supportive squadrons so you end up with an awful lot of latency and spent tonnage in there.
 

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« Reply #58 on: February 26, 2013, 08:57:19 AM »
I seemt o recollect reading somewhere that NPRs will randomly turn on and off their sensors to check on the surroundings. I've also had plenty of encounters where I thought my ships were out of range sensors but eneded up being detected and shot down.

Looking forward with some trepidation to reading the results of the rescure attempt....

I feel your frustration in not having a sensor specialist in the research team, it's certainly causing real issues for the combat effectiveness of your ships.

What's your thinking behind putting a full set of active and passive sensors on even your smallest ships? Your fleet doctrine seems to be to operate the samller ships in mutually supportive squadrons so you end up with an awful lot of latency and spent tonnage in there.

I'm doing the "napkin math" to see if I can untangle what my intel report is saying.  After a bit of farting around...the Hiyru's sensor range is 216*SQRT(20)*0.1m km*1 = 96.6m km (assuming a sensitivity of 100%).  This explains the events that occured.  Again I wish to express my heartfelt thanks to The Deadly Shoe for pointing out the problem.

As for the sensors, my thinking is the same as any real world navy's.  Ships carry mission critical sensors.  This means that no ship is dependant on another to provide basic information and each ship can fight alone if necessary.  It is true the frigates and heavy frigates operate in battle groups, but it is also true, such as in the case of the Sentinal, that they will from time to time operate alone.  I understand this flys in the face of "gamer" optimization but I start from the assumption that this is real.  If you look at a modern small combat ship they all have a basic level of sensors.  It takes space yes but I find over specialized ships from a perspective of a real navy a bit absurd.  The British hit this problem exactly in the Falklands war, that is why they had to cludge together things like an AWAC helo, and suddenly started putting guns back on their new ships.  Overly specialized ships are also prone to the problem they only work if the situation is exactly what the ship is designed for.  I've observed this for years in starfire combat...so long as the underlying assumptions that are at the basis of the design are fulfilled the ship functions well...when the situation goes pear shaped and those underlying assumptions are no longer fulfilled the ship is so much floating scrap metal.

The NC Navy likes the Tribals because outside of needing a jump tender they are mission role interchangable.  The Guardians/Gargoyles are also the frigate class that is more a multi-mission ship in so far as anything that small can be said to be multi-mission.  This isn't to say, for example, that a ship that is a dedicated anti-missile ship would not--in the best of all world--carry a better than average dedicated missile sensor.  That the NC Navy doesn't do that isn't because they think that sort of thing is foolish but because access to RL's to develop the technology itself is limited.  It is likely over time the Guardians/Gargoyles will become more optimized for anti-missile work and that the other two varients will be less and less used. 

There is another point and that is "series" or "flight" construction.  By fixing most of the ship to the same design it is possible for the yards to build Terriers, Guardians, Londons and Edmontons so long as the yard is set up to build the Terrier.  The same is true for the Wounded Knee once the yard is set up for the Wounded Knee class then Gargoyles, Lakes, and Flower class ships can be built without retooling (possibly also the Ceylon class).  From the point of view of the Navy maintaining this degree of flexibility is worth the space cost to any ship.  It is the reason the London Mod1.4 refit was not approved.

Also as combat experience rolls in things will change.  At the moment the Navy has to build their ships with a limited option of components but as they learn more about the Wolver ships they can start looking at things like: can the thermal sensors be smaller?  Should the resolution of the search sensor change?  Is it better to use a smaller missile?  Should we develop a scouting pinnace with stronger passives?  Is it worth deploying a "spy ship" design?
 

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Re: The Northern Coalition (AAR)
« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2013, 09:24:34 AM »
Interesting stuff, you have clearly put a lot more thought into your design considerations than I ever have!