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New Players => The Academy => Topic started by: sonofliberty on April 11, 2012, 08:39:03 AM

Title: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 11, 2012, 08:39:03 AM
I keep getting increased unrest due to insufficient occupation forces. How much is enough? I now have 3x the forces used to conquer the world. The population is 638 million. Does it matter if I assign the forces to the Human or seswanna areas of the planet?
Title: Re: Occupation Forces?
Post by: schroeam on April 11, 2012, 08:58:28 AM
You need to assign the ground forces to the conquered race for them to have any effect.

Adam.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces?
Post by: sonofliberty on April 11, 2012, 09:15:30 AM
Ok, thanks.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 11, 2012, 10:08:15 AM
At what temperature can I stop adding greenhouse gasses and start adding oxygen and nitrogen? Terra-forming Mars, temp -8 degrees C. Greenhouse gasses make up 94% of the atmosphere. Nitrogen 4.61%, CO2 1.98%, and total pressure = .01517
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: Rastaman on April 11, 2012, 10:42:19 AM
You need 0.1 pressure in Oxygen to breathe. And it must be no more than 30% of total pressure. So you need at least 0.2333 of another non toxic gas. Just add greenhouse has until the temperature is sufficient. Then add nitrogen until the 30% requirement is met.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 11, 2012, 10:58:42 AM
Ok, when is the temperature sufficient?
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: Marthnn on April 11, 2012, 11:11:44 AM
Have you read the part of the tutorial about terraforming?

http://aurorawiki.pentarch.org/index.php?title=Terraforming (http://aurorawiki.pentarch.org/index.php?title=Terraforming)

With default human race on the current version, to be an ideal world Mars needs approximately 0.1 atm oxygen, 0.168 atm greenhouse gas (carbon dioxide is ok) and 0.065 atm neutral gas (nitrogen is ok). Total atmospheric pressure is then about 0.333 atm, with surface temperature of 0°C (the minimum).
If you want a planet more similar to Earth, you can aim for 1 atm total pressure, 0.2 atm oxygen, with 22°C surface temperature. You'll need about 0.61 atm nitrogen and 0.19 atm carbon dioxide.

Edit: You can see the environmental tolerances of your race in the Races screen, accessed with ctrl+F2. Or in the System screen (F9) at top right.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 12, 2012, 02:49:21 PM
How do contracts with civilians work? I let out contracts for automated mines, but they never got filled.

What is the function of commercial space ports?

Is there anyway to control which colony the civilians take colonists to? I have one colony with over a million job openings, and another that has 1.4 million people with nothing to do.

What can I do with subjugated species? I have 126 million aliens with nothing to do. Can I safely use them as colonists? I would eventually like to integrate them into the Terran Empire.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: metalax on April 12, 2012, 03:15:14 PM
How do contracts with civilians work? I let out contracts for automated mines, but they never got filled.

You need to set up a supply contract at a colony that posseses the items you want moved and a matching demand contract at the colony you want the items moved to. Civilian freighters will then consider the contracts when they decide what to move on their next trip. Note contracts will only move existing items, so an infrastructure contract will only move existing infrastructure not the infrastructure that is generated by trade.

What is the function of commercial space ports?

They reduce the time it takes to load/unload cargo/colonists/troops. One facility halves the time taken, two reduces it to a third, three to a quarter and so on.

Is there anyway to control which colony the civilians take colonists to? I have one colony with over a million job openings, and another that has 1.4 million people with nothing to do.

If a colony has at least 25 million inhabitants, you can alter it to be a source of colonists; stable, meaning no colonists arrive or leave, or a destination so colonists can be sent there. If it is under 25 million it will be automatically kept as a destination. If there are multiple viable destinations, there is no way as far as I know to force the civilian shipping lines to pick one over another.

edit: Note that a colony with insufficient infrastructure to support a shipful of additional colonists is not considered a viable target, so one way of possibly influencing it is to use your own freighters to move infrastructure around so only one colony has space. This will be difficult as civilian freighters will likely be continually dropping off civilian constructed infrastructure on the colony you are trying to avoid growing.

What can I do with subjugated species? I have 126 million aliens with nothing to do. Can I safely use them as colonists? I would eventually like to integrate them into the Terran Empire.

Yes, you can freely use them as colonists, though note that their colony costs will be based on their own species tollerances so the may want significantly different enviroments.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 12, 2012, 03:29:39 PM
Thanks for the great information. Unfortunately, both Mars and Procyon III are "Ideal Worlds". Mars has a big deficit of colonists and Procyon has a total of 127 million(including aliens) with nothing to do.

Good to know about the spaceports. I will build one for each colony. Are they towable with tugs or disassembled and moved with cargo ships?
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: metalax on April 12, 2012, 03:36:18 PM
Spaceports are planet-side installations, that I believe are one of the few installations that cannot be moved via freighter and need to be constructed in place.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 12, 2012, 03:56:27 PM
Thanks for telling me that before I started building them. I am building and shipping factories to my three primary colonies, but it will be a long time before they can be built on site. Mars has 123 construction factories being used to build more factories. Procyon and Alpha Centauri each have maybe 10 factories, being used to build more factories.  ;D

Everything else I build on Earth and ship to the colonies.

Is there someway I can conjoin the Earth and Alien colonies on Procyon into one colony?
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: Steven Kodaly on April 12, 2012, 04:10:14 PM
Quote from: sonofliberty link=topic=4806. msg48722#msg48722 date=1334264187
Is there someway I can conjoin the Earth and Alien colonies on Procyon into one colony?

To the best of my knowledge, there is no way to merge populations in Aurora.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: Moonshadow101 on April 12, 2012, 04:15:22 PM
Even if there was a way to merge colonies, they would need to be of the same species. Otherwise, it would be ridiculous to calculate the colony cost.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 12, 2012, 05:26:56 PM
If they are both on terra-formed worlds with a zero cost, why do you need 2 separate colonies?
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: TallTroll on April 12, 2012, 05:33:48 PM
Because they have different environmental tolerances. The pops may have different colony costs, and different responses to the effects of bombardment. It's also not impossible a liberation fleet will turn up one day
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 12, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
Because they have different environmental tolerances. The pops may have different colony costs, and different responses to the effects of bombardment. It's also not impossible a liberation fleet will turn up one day
There is no chance of a liberation fleet showing up.  ;)
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: xeryon on April 12, 2012, 09:41:02 PM
Aurora just doesn't support it.  Humans and Aliens occupy different spaces regardless of environmental requirements.  If you relocated the aliens to, lets say Earth, then there would be a second minority colony on Earth then - not one colony with a mixed population.  Your best bet would be to transfer mines or factories to the alien world and have them build up their own industry.  Even if you do not use them to colonize with at least you can have them building financial centers or something.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: sonofliberty on April 13, 2012, 06:05:59 AM
Yeah, that is what I am doing now. I have given them about 20 industry and a few other sundries. Separate colonies are just too inefficient imo.
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: Steve Walmsley on April 13, 2012, 04:10:09 PM
I probably will add an ability to combine Imperial Populations of the same species at some point. Populations of different species have to remain separate due to the different environmental tolerances, surrender chances, etc. and pops with different political statuses have to remain separate for obvious reasons.

Steve
Title: Re: Occupation Forces and other questions
Post by: Mini on April 27, 2012, 01:53:36 PM
Because when you go to take colonists from the planet, you need to know what race you are taking, and whether there is enough of that race to take, since the planet you're moving them to might not have the same CC for both races, and the alien colony likely doesn't have full political status. If you really want to merge the colonies, there is a SM button somewhere on the populations screen where you can edit what each colony has, just add the stuff in the alien colony to the human one and delete the alien one.