Aurora 4x
VB6 Aurora => Advanced Tactical Command Academy => Topic started by: Bandus on September 18, 2015, 04:42:17 PM
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I've noticed that surveying seems to become more and more of a micromanagement task as the game rolls on. I build more survey ships, send the to more places to scan bodies/survey points and around the time that I have 8 of them in operation it gets painful to manage each task group. Even with conditional orders really.
I was curious what others use, if anything, to attempt to more effectively manage survey ships to perhaps reduce the amount of micromanagement necessary. Thanks!
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Conditional orders my friend.
Then you just need to send them to a system. They do the work. You get an event message when it's done.
Probably also want orders to refuel and repair... Just sayin'
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Allow me to ask a more specific question: If I have a TG of 5 survey ships, is there a way to order the whole TG to a system, then to automatically split up and do their scanning, then to reform back together?
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If you look at the orders you can give, yes there is exactly the order you are looking for. But for the reforming part, you have to mess with a conditional/secondary order
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Allow me to ask a more specific question: If I have a TG of 5 survey ships, is there a way to order the whole TG to a system, then to automatically split up and do their scanning, then to reform back together?
There is the auto-split, but you will need to manually issue the reform order. I think. It has been a while.
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I send em off, with tanker support, and conditional orders. I forget about them until i get the system surveyed message (or something attacks them ;D ). When i get tired of fussing with them i park them for a while.
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the minimum micro method is to only use one survey ship of a given type per star system at a time, and make sure htey have built in jump drives and looong crew/fuel endurance.
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I'm late, but if you still see this, look here for a tutorial on survey carriers: http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=7826.0 (http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=7826.0)
This is the easiest way I have found to automatically survey a system with any number of independent units, and in maybe under 10 clicks too. I tried a lot of approaches over different games, but only do it this way since I figured that out.
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I use the same method as TheDeadlyShoe: independent, long-range/endurance, jump-equipped ships. Give 'em conditional orders and let 'em work. Minimal micromanagement, and I think they are fairly cost effective too. I tried the "Survey Carrier" method once, and I don't think they are very cost-effective, and managing launch/recovery was too fiddly for me. YMMV...
That said, survey management is still a pain, eventually. My limit is usually 10 grav and 10 geo survey ships.
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I use a rather unusual method, a 13-ship task force I call the GravSurvRon. It has 1 command ship, 2 corvettes, 2 survey support ships, and 8 GSVs. The command ship and the two corvettes are the HQ TG, while the other ships are each in their own TG. All are set so their lead fleet is the HQ TG. To move, you simply give the HQ TG orders and then go to the second tab and tell it to copy orders to all subordinate units. There's a bit of micromanagement to make sure the system is surveyed efficiently (so that you don't have one GSV coming from across the system to survey a point right next to one who just finished up), but it's not too bad, and it's very fast. The GSVs are independent, and don't dock aboard the command ship. The survey support ships make first transits on new JPs, and the corvettes are to clear out any minor bad guys that might be lurking. I'll post the specs later.
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Here are my ships, as promised:
Pathfinder-class Survey Command Ship:
Endeavour class Survey Command Ship 20,000 tons 312 Crew 3255.8 BP TCS 400 TH 3240 EM 0
8100 km/s JR 3-50 Armour 2-65 Shields 0-0 Sensors 80/80/0/0 Damage Control Rating 24 PPV 2
Maint Life 5.04 Years MSP 7493 AFR 130% IFR 1.8% 1YR 491 5YR 7370 Max Repair 729 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months Flight Crew Berths 26
Hangar Deck Capacity 1000 tons Magazine 492 Cryogenic Berths 200
Radiant Dynamics K420-50 Max Ship Size 21000 tons Distance 50k km Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620 (2) Power 1620 Fuel Use 8.45% Signature 1620 Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 7,610,000 Litres Range 810.5 billion km (1158 days at full power)
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12) Range 1000 km TS: 50000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Cebula & Lunsford GMLS Mk1 Mod0 (2) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Boland Space & Security OPG-1 (1) Range 115.2m km Resolution 1
SVM-1 Striker (70) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 5.4m Range: 50.7m km WH: 4 Size: 1 TH: 520/312/156
SVM-2 Smasher (50) Speed: 117,400 km/s End: 17.3m Range: 122.1m km WH: 4 Size: 1 TH: 391/234/117
SVM-3 Swatter (30) Speed: 72,500 km/s End: 7.9m Range: 34.4m km WH: 9 Size: 1 TH: 338/203/101
SIM-4 Phalanx (70) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 13.9m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 2704/1622/811
SIM-5 Protector (62) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 7.5m Range: 70.7m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 1768/1060/530
SRS-1 (13) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 0m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
SRS-2 (2) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 0m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
SRS-3 (2) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 0m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
SVS-4 (4) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 2m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-4 (1) GPS 80 Range 32.0m km MCR 3.5m km Resolution 1
Celso-Kellen OAR-2 (1) Sensitivity 80 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 80m km
Celso-Kellen OPR-2 (1) Sensitivity 80 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 80m km
Strike Group
1x R-1 Recon Fighter Speed: 15000 km/s Size: 10
1x H-1 Shuttle Speed: 15200 km/s Size: 10
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
The fighters are for JP scouting and rescue respectively. I haven't used them much, and might well eliminate them from future versions. This serves as a combination ammo ship/tanker/supply vessel, as well as providing the direction (via the Copy Orders to Subordinate Formations button).
Cambrian-class Survey Corvette:
Cambrian class Survey Corvette 7,200 tons 207 Crew 4580.8 BP TCS 144 TH 1620 EM 360
11250 km/s JR 3-100 Armour 4-33 Shields 12-360 Sensors 80/80/0/0 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 28.19
Maint Life 3.15 Years MSP 1988 AFR 82% IFR 1.2% 1YR 302 5YR 4530 Max Repair 1125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months Spare Berths 1
Magazine 201
Radiant Dynamics K147-100 Max Ship Size 7350 tons Distance 100k km Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620 (1) Power 1620 Fuel Use 8.45% Signature 1620 Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 240,000 Litres Range 71.0 billion km (73 days at full power)
Gamble Engineering Protector-6 (2) Total Fuel Cost 24 Litres per hour (576 per day)
Turret, Triple, Laser, 10cm, Mk1 Mod0 (3x3) Range 270,000km TS: 50000 km/s Power 9-9 RM 9 ROF 5 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12) Range 1000 km TS: 50000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Pascoe Engineering OWG-4 (1) Max Range: 300,000 km TS: 50000 km/s 97 93 90 87 83 80 77 73 70 67
Dominque Incorporated RASC-3 (1) Total Power Output 3.2 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Dominque Incorporated RASC-8 (1) Total Power Output 8 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Dominque Incorporated RASC-16 (1) Total Power Output 16 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Cebula & Lunsford GMLS Mk1 Mod0 (5) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Boland Space & Security OPG-1 (1) Range 115.2m km Resolution 1
SVM-1 Striker (50) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 5.4m Range: 50.7m km WH: 4 Size: 1 TH: 520/312/156
SVM-2 Smasher (30) Speed: 117,400 km/s End: 17.3m Range: 122.1m km WH: 4 Size: 1 TH: 391/234/117
SVM-3 Swatter (30) Speed: 72,500 km/s End: 7.9m Range: 34.4m km WH: 9 Size: 1 TH: 338/203/101
SIM-4 Phalanx (61) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 13.9m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 2704/1622/811
SIM-5 Protector (30) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 7.5m Range: 70.7m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 1768/1060/530
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-2 (1) GPS 280 Range 112.0m km MCR 12.2m km Resolution 1
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-4 (1) GPS 80 Range 32.0m km MCR 3.5m km Resolution 1
Celso-Kellen OAR-2 (1) Sensitivity 80 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 80m km
Celso-Kellen OPR-2 (1) Sensitivity 80 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 80m km
Compact ECCM-4 (1) ECM 40
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
These are to protect the Endeavour, and root out minor troubles.
Pathfinder-class Survey Support:
Pathfinder class Survey Support 7,200 tons 207 Crew 5030.3 BP TCS 144 TH 810 EM 0
11250 km/s JR 3-1500 Armour 4-33 Shields 0-0 Sensors 280/280/0/0 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 19.96
Maint Life 2.83 Years MSP 2183 AFR 82% IFR 1.2% 1YR 397 5YR 5957 Max Repair 1125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months Spare Berths 1
Magazine 110 Cryogenic Berths 200
Radiant Dynamics K147-1500 Max Ship Size 7350 tons Distance 1500k km Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620L (1) Power 1620 Fuel Use 8.45% Signature 810 Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 255,000 Litres Range 75.4 billion km (77 days at full power)
Turret, Triple, Laser, 10cm, Mk1 Mod0 (2x3) Range 270,000km TS: 50000 km/s Power 9-9 RM 9 ROF 5 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12) Range 1000 km TS: 50000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Pascoe Engineering OWG-4 (1) Max Range: 300,000 km TS: 50000 km/s 97 93 90 87 83 80 77 73 70 67
Dominque Incorporated RASC-16 (1) Total Power Output 16 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Dominque Incorporated RASC-2 (1) Total Power Output 2 Armour 0 Exp 20%
Cebula & Lunsford GMLS Mk1 Mod0 (2) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 5
Myracle Kinetics Mine Rack Mk1 Mod0 (1) Missile Size 10 Rate of Fire 3335
Boland Space & Security OPG-1 (1) Range 115.2m km Resolution 1
SVM-1 Striker (10) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 5.4m Range: 50.7m km WH: 4 Size: 1 TH: 520/312/156
SVM-2 Smasher (10) Speed: 117,400 km/s End: 17.3m Range: 122.1m km WH: 4 Size: 1 TH: 391/234/117
SVM-3 Swatter (10) Speed: 72,500 km/s End: 7.9m Range: 34.4m km WH: 9 Size: 1 TH: 338/203/101
SIM-4 Phalanx (10) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 13.9m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 2704/1622/811
SIM-5 Protector (10) Speed: 156,000 km/s End: 7.5m Range: 70.7m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 1768/1060/530
SRS-1 (3) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 0m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
SRS-2 (1) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 0m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
SRS-3 (1) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 0m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
SVS-4 (1) Speed: 0 km/s End: 0m Range: 2m km WH: 0 Size: 10 TH: 0/0/0
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-2 (1) GPS 280 Range 112.0m km MCR 12.2m km Resolution 1
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-1 (1) GPS 5600 Range 500.9m km Resolution 20
Smutz-Worrell Electronics OAR-4 (1) Sensitivity 280 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 280m km
Smutz-Worrell Electronics OPR-4 (1) Sensitivity 280 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 280m km
Compact ECCM-4 (1) ECM 40
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
These scout new jump points.
Orion-class Gravitational Survey Vessel
Orion class Gravitational Survey Vessel 5,000 tons 121 Crew 2469.9 BP TCS 100 TH 1024 EM 0
10240 km/s JR 3-100 Armour 5-26 Shields 0-0 Sensors 40/40/25/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 0
Maint Life 3.16 Years MSP 957 AFR 64% IFR 0.9% 1YR 144 5YR 2164 Max Repair 409.6 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months Spare Berths 0
Radiant Dynamics K105-100 Max Ship Size 5250 tons Distance 100k km Squadron Size 3
Santoyo-Kio AMS-1024 (1) Power 1024 Fuel Use 7.78% Signature 1024 Exp 8%
Fuel Capacity 570,000 Litres Range 263.8 billion km (298 days at full power)
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12) Range 1000 km TS: 50000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Celso-Kellen OAR-3 (1) Sensitivity 40 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 40m km
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPR-3 (1) Sensitivity 40 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 40m km
Phased Gravitational Sensors (5) 25 Survey Points Per Hour
ECM 40
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
The Orions form the base of the survey fleet. They're fast and reasonably well-equipped, so surveys happen quickly.
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Situational orders are your friend, also, I bit the bullet and just built a single class of science vessel. One Geo sensor, one grav sensor so they can do both geo and grav seaches - and still small, I pair them up with a scout ship that can take 3-4 of the small scouts with them on a jump, and then just order them to split on last jump and send them on there way. they reform on the survey jump ship after finishing.
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I should probably add that for geosurvey, I went with the single-ship model. I tried squadrons at one point, but they were near-useless because of the variability of the geosurvey targets. At the moment, I have 18 of these, which work quite well:
Explorer class Survey Ship 7,200 tons 197 Crew 4428.3 BP TCS 144 TH 1620 EM 0
11250 km/s JR 3-100 Armour 5-33 Shields 0-0 Sensors 80/80/0/35 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 4
Maint Life 3.09 Years MSP 1922 AFR 82% IFR 1.2% 1YR 303 5YR 4538 Max Repair 729 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months Spare Berths 0
Radiant Dynamics K147-100 Max Ship Size 7350 tons Distance 100k km Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620 (1) Power 1620 Fuel Use 8.45% Signature 1620 Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 610,000 Litres Range 180.5 billion km (185 days at full power)
Westcott-Ballance Laser, 10cm, Mk1 Mod0 (2) Range 270,000km TS: 12500 km/s Power 3-3 RM 9 ROF 5 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12) Range 1000 km TS: 50000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Boland Space & Security OWG-9 (1) Max Range: 300,000 km TS: 12500 km/s 97 93 90 87 83 80 77 73 70 67
Dominque Incorporated RASC-6 (1) Total Power Output 6 Armour 0 Exp 20%
Boland Space & Security OPS-12 (1) GPS 200 Range 80.0m km MCR 8.7m km Resolution 1
Celso-Kellen OAR-2 (1) Sensitivity 80 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 80m km
Celso-Kellen OPR-2 (1) Sensitivity 80 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 80m km
Phased Geological Sensors (7) 35 Survey Points Per Hour
Compact ECCM-4 (1) ECM 40
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes