v1.13.0 Changes Discussion Thread

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

I assume it will now not possible to repair ships in normal shipyards, correct?

If not, has the displacement bug been fixed?

You can still repair as normal in naval and commercial shipyards. I've fixed the size bug as per the change log. Shipyards can no longer repair ships larger than their capacity and commercial shipyards can no longer repair military ships.

[Froggiest1982]

I assume it will now not possible to repair ships in normal shipyards, correct?

If not, has the displacement bug been fixed?

You can still repair as normal in naval and commercial shipyards. I've fixed the size bug as per the change log. Shipyards can no longer repair ships larger than their capacity and commercial shipyards can no longer repair military ships.

Thanks, I did not read the changelog. My bad!

I really like the new addition.

[Jorgen_CAB]

What will the cost of Repair Yards be as you can build a Commercial Hangar station for around 1100 BP to service 10.000t I assume that repair yards will be at least this cheap as they will require people to operate but are a bit more flexible than a station in regards to upgrading them?

But if they become too expensive you probably still would settle for commercial hangar stations most of the time as they also can be towed to any point in space and repair ships as well.

Stations can't scrap ships but I don't think that is a huge drawback in general.

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

What will the cost of Repair Yards be as you can build a Commercial Hangar station for around 1100 BP to service 10.000t I assume that repair yards will be at least this cheap as they will require people to operate but are a bit more flexible than a station in regards to upgrading them?

But if they become too expensive you probably still would settle for commercial hangar stations most of the time as they also can be towed to any point in space and repair ships as well.

Stations can't scrap ships but I don't think that is a huge drawback in general.

They are the same cost as a commercial shipyard. As you say, they are very flexible because you can upgrade them and they can also scrap ships. Also, repairing significant damage in a commercial hangar uses a lot of MSP, which is a finite resource, whereas the repair yard uses minerals, like any other shipyard. Finally, they don't need any special technology so you can build them at the start of the game.

[Zincat]

This is a really great addition. No moe shipyards occupied for repairing or scrapping, plus since it's cheaper you can build and tow these to important places.

I love this change

[RougeNPS]

Oh so i can create the full on equivalent to Kuat Drive Yards now? Awesome. 

[Migi]

What will the cost of Repair Yards be as you can build a Commercial Hangar station for around 1100 BP to service 10.000t I assume that repair yards will be at least this cheap as they will require people to operate but are a bit more flexible than a station in regards to upgrading them?

But if they become too expensive you probably still would settle for commercial hangar stations most of the time as they also can be towed to any point in space and repair ships as well.

Stations can't scrap ships but I don't think that is a huge drawback in general.

They are the same cost as a commercial shipyard. As you say, they are very flexible because you can upgrade them and they can also scrap ships. Also, repairing significant damage in a commercial hangar uses a lot of MSP, which is a finite resource, whereas the repair yard uses minerals, like any other shipyard. Finally, they don't need any special technology so you can build them at the start of the game.

I think it's a decent idea, a useful addition for a major fleet base but not something you'd want or need dozens of.
I'd kind of like it to do overhauls as well (consuming minerals equal to the MSP cost), I think it would fit thematically although I understand why you didn't.

[QuakeIV]

I'd also kindof like if it was capable of overhaul though IMO it should probably be considered wasteful compared to using a maint facility.  Like, the repair yard that is capable of opening up a ships guts and pulling out and replacing major components could also conceivably do overhaul work, but its a waste of its time and should take up yard space while its ongoing (also IMO it should probably need MSP in order to conduct that kind of maintenance and just not have any innate ability to make MSP).  At any rate I think it would make logical sense that the yard would be capable of it.

[davidr]

Will  the new Repair Yard for v1.13 be able to scrap non-engined Tractorable Stations when these become obsolete and new versions have been introduced ?
( assuming the Yard tonnage is sufficient. )


DavidR

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

Will  the new Repair Yard for v1.13 be able to scrap non-engined Tractorable Stations when these become obsolete and new versions have been introduced ?
( assuming the Yard tonnage is sufficient. )
DavidR

They function in every way as a normal shipyard, except they can't construct or refit ships.

[pwhk]

The 'Obso Comp' button on the Class window is only visible for race-designed components. It will not appear for basic components such as Bridge, Engineering, etc..

Does this apply to components like refueling systems, which are not designed but are directly upgraded by research?

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

The 'Obso Comp' button on the Class window is only visible for race-designed components. It will not appear for basic components such as Bridge, Engineering, etc..

Does this apply to components like refueling systems, which are not designed but are directly upgraded by research?

Good point - I've changed it so obsolete will be available for race-designed components or basic components with multiple generations.

[Borealis4x]

Will the single-weapon fire controls be usable with all turreted versions of the weapon?

So could a fire control meant for a single gauss cannon also be used for a twin or quad-linked turreted version of said gauss cannon?

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

Will the single-weapon fire controls be usable with all turreted versions of the weapon?

So could a fire control meant for a single gauss cannon also be used for a twin or quad-linked turreted version of said gauss cannon?

Yes.

[Migi]

The new fire at will option seems like it could save a lot of micromanagement for fighters and such.
Was that what motivated you to add it?