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Surveyor Management
« on: September 18, 2015, 04:42:17 PM »
I've noticed that surveying seems to become more and more of a micromanagement task as the game rolls on. I build more survey ships, send the to more places to scan bodies/survey points and around the time that I have 8 of them in operation it gets painful to manage each task group. Even with conditional orders really.

I was curious what others use, if anything, to attempt to more effectively manage survey ships to perhaps reduce the amount of micromanagement necessary. Thanks!
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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #1 on: September 18, 2015, 04:51:00 PM »
Conditional orders my friend.

Then you just need to send them to a system. They do the work. You get an event message when it's done.

Probably also want orders to refuel and repair... Just sayin'
 

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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #2 on: September 18, 2015, 05:11:38 PM »
Allow me to ask a more specific question: If I have a TG of 5 survey ships, is there a way to order the whole TG to a system, then to automatically split up and do their scanning, then to reform back together?
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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #3 on: September 18, 2015, 05:44:45 PM »
If you look at the orders you can give, yes there is exactly the order you are looking for. But for the reforming part, you have to mess with a conditional/secondary order
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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2015, 06:24:56 PM »
Allow me to ask a more specific question: If I have a TG of 5 survey ships, is there a way to order the whole TG to a system, then to automatically split up and do their scanning, then to reform back together?

There is the auto-split, but you will need to manually issue the reform order. I think. It has been a while.
 

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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2015, 06:34:38 PM »
I send em off, with tanker support, and conditional orders. I forget about them until i get the system surveyed message (or something attacks them  ;D ).  When i get tired of fussing with them i park them for a while.
 

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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2015, 11:05:15 PM »
the minimum micro method is to only use one survey ship of a given type per star system at a time, and make sure htey have built in jump drives and looong crew/fuel endurance.



 

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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2015, 07:21:34 PM »
I'm late, but if you still see this, look here for a tutorial on survey carriers: http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=7826.0
This is the easiest way I have found to automatically survey a system with any number of independent units, and in maybe under 10 clicks too. I tried a lot of approaches over different games, but only do it this way since I figured that out.
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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2016, 05:47:03 AM »
I use the same method as TheDeadlyShoe: independent, long-range/endurance, jump-equipped ships. Give 'em conditional orders and let 'em work. Minimal micromanagement, and I think they are fairly cost effective too. I tried the "Survey Carrier" method once, and I don't think they are very cost-effective, and managing launch/recovery was too fiddly for me. YMMV...

That said, survey management is still a pain, eventually. My limit is usually 10 grav and 10 geo survey ships.
 

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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2016, 02:04:02 PM »
I use a rather unusual method, a 13-ship task force I call the GravSurvRon.  It has 1 command ship, 2 corvettes, 2 survey support ships, and 8 GSVs.  The command ship and the two corvettes are the HQ TG, while the other ships are each in their own TG.  All are set so their lead fleet is the HQ TG.  To move, you simply give the HQ TG orders and then go to the second tab and tell it to copy orders to all subordinate units.  There's a bit of micromanagement to make sure the system is surveyed efficiently (so that you don't have one GSV coming from across the system to survey a point right next to one who just finished up), but it's not too bad, and it's very fast.  The GSVs are independent, and don't dock aboard the command ship.  The survey support ships make first transits on new JPs, and the corvettes are to clear out any minor bad guys that might be lurking.  I'll post the specs later.
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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2016, 01:32:18 AM »
Here are my ships, as promised:
Pathfinder-class Survey Command Ship:
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Endeavour class Survey Command Ship    20,000 tons     312 Crew     3255.8 BP      TCS 400  TH 3240  EM 0
8100 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 2-65     Shields 0-0     Sensors 80/80/0/0     Damage Control Rating 24     PPV 2
Maint Life 5.04 Years     MSP 7493    AFR 130%    IFR 1.8%    1YR 491    5YR 7370    Max Repair 729 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Flight Crew Berths 26   
Hangar Deck Capacity 1000 tons     Magazine 492    Cryogenic Berths 200   

Radiant Dynamics K420-50     Max Ship Size 21000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620 (2)    Power 1620    Fuel Use 8.45%    Signature 1620    Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 7,610,000 Litres    Range 810.5 billion km   (1158 days at full power)

Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 50000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Cebula & Lunsford GMLS Mk1 Mod0 (2)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Boland Space & Security OPG-1 (1)     Range 115.2m km    Resolution 1
SVM-1 Striker (70)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 5.4m    Range: 50.7m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 520/312/156
SVM-2 Smasher (50)  Speed: 117,400 km/s   End: 17.3m    Range: 122.1m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 391/234/117
SVM-3 Swatter (30)  Speed: 72,500 km/s   End: 7.9m    Range: 34.4m km   WH: 9    Size: 1    TH: 338/203/101
SIM-4 Phalanx (70)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 1.5m    Range: 13.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2704/1622/811
SIM-5 Protector (62)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 7.5m    Range: 70.7m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 1768/1060/530
SRS-1 (13)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0
SRS-2 (2)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0
SRS-3 (2)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0
SVS-4 (4)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 2m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0

Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-4 (1)     GPS 80     Range 32.0m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1
Celso-Kellen OAR-2 (1)     Sensitivity 80     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  80m km
Celso-Kellen OPR-2 (1)     Sensitivity 80     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  80m km

Strike Group
1x R-1 Recon Fighter   Speed: 15000 km/s    Size: 10
1x H-1 Shuttle   Speed: 15200 km/s    Size: 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
The fighters are for JP scouting and rescue respectively.  I haven't used them much, and might well eliminate them from future versions.  This serves as a combination ammo ship/tanker/supply vessel, as well as providing the direction (via the Copy Orders to Subordinate Formations button).

Cambrian-class Survey Corvette:
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Cambrian class Survey Corvette    7,200 tons     207 Crew     4580.8 BP      TCS 144  TH 1620  EM 360
11250 km/s    JR 3-100     Armour 4-33     Shields 12-360     Sensors 80/80/0/0     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 28.19
Maint Life 3.15 Years     MSP 1988    AFR 82%    IFR 1.2%    1YR 302    5YR 4530    Max Repair 1125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 201   

Radiant Dynamics K147-100     Max Ship Size 7350 tons    Distance 100k km     Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620 (1)    Power 1620    Fuel Use 8.45%    Signature 1620    Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 240,000 Litres    Range 71.0 billion km   (73 days at full power)
Gamble Engineering Protector-6 (2)   Total Fuel Cost  24 Litres per hour  (576 per day)

Turret, Triple, Laser, 10cm, Mk1 Mod0 (3x3)    Range 270,000km     TS: 50000 km/s     Power 9-9     RM 9    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 50000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Pascoe Engineering OWG-4 (1)    Max Range: 300,000 km   TS: 50000 km/s     97 93 90 87 83 80 77 73 70 67
Dominque Incorporated RASC-3 (1)     Total Power Output 3.2    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Dominque Incorporated RASC-8 (1)     Total Power Output 8    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Dominque Incorporated RASC-16 (1)     Total Power Output 16    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Cebula & Lunsford GMLS Mk1 Mod0 (5)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Boland Space & Security OPG-1 (1)     Range 115.2m km    Resolution 1
SVM-1 Striker (50)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 5.4m    Range: 50.7m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 520/312/156
SVM-2 Smasher (30)  Speed: 117,400 km/s   End: 17.3m    Range: 122.1m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 391/234/117
SVM-3 Swatter (30)  Speed: 72,500 km/s   End: 7.9m    Range: 34.4m km   WH: 9    Size: 1    TH: 338/203/101
SIM-4 Phalanx (61)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 1.5m    Range: 13.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2704/1622/811
SIM-5 Protector (30)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 7.5m    Range: 70.7m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 1768/1060/530

Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-2 (1)     GPS 280     Range 112.0m km    MCR 12.2m km    Resolution 1
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-4 (1)     GPS 80     Range 32.0m km    MCR 3.5m km    Resolution 1
Celso-Kellen OAR-2 (1)     Sensitivity 80     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  80m km
Celso-Kellen OPR-2 (1)     Sensitivity 80     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  80m km

Compact ECCM-4 (1)         ECM 40

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
These are to protect the Endeavour, and root out minor troubles.

Pathfinder-class Survey Support:
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Pathfinder class Survey Support    7,200 tons     207 Crew     5030.3 BP      TCS 144  TH 810  EM 0
11250 km/s    JR 3-1500     Armour 4-33     Shields 0-0     Sensors 280/280/0/0     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 19.96
Maint Life 2.83 Years     MSP 2183    AFR 82%    IFR 1.2%    1YR 397    5YR 5957    Max Repair 1125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 110    Cryogenic Berths 200   

Radiant Dynamics K147-1500     Max Ship Size 7350 tons    Distance 1500k km     Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620L (1)    Power 1620    Fuel Use 8.45%    Signature 810    Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 255,000 Litres    Range 75.4 billion km   (77 days at full power)

Turret, Triple, Laser, 10cm, Mk1 Mod0 (2x3)    Range 270,000km     TS: 50000 km/s     Power 9-9     RM 9    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 50000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Pascoe Engineering OWG-4 (1)    Max Range: 300,000 km   TS: 50000 km/s     97 93 90 87 83 80 77 73 70 67
Dominque Incorporated RASC-16 (1)     Total Power Output 16    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Dominque Incorporated RASC-2 (1)     Total Power Output 2    Armour 0    Exp 20%

Cebula & Lunsford GMLS Mk1 Mod0 (2)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Myracle Kinetics Mine Rack Mk1 Mod0 (1)    Missile Size 10    Rate of Fire 3335
Boland Space & Security OPG-1 (1)     Range 115.2m km    Resolution 1
SVM-1 Striker (10)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 5.4m    Range: 50.7m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 520/312/156
SVM-2 Smasher (10)  Speed: 117,400 km/s   End: 17.3m    Range: 122.1m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 391/234/117
SVM-3 Swatter (10)  Speed: 72,500 km/s   End: 7.9m    Range: 34.4m km   WH: 9    Size: 1    TH: 338/203/101
SIM-4 Phalanx (10)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 1.5m    Range: 13.9m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 2704/1622/811
SIM-5 Protector (10)  Speed: 156,000 km/s   End: 7.5m    Range: 70.7m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 1768/1060/530
SRS-1 (3)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0
SRS-2 (1)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0
SRS-3 (1)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 0m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0
SVS-4 (1)  Speed: 0 km/s   End: 0m    Range: 2m km   WH: 0    Size: 10    TH: 0/0/0

Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-2 (1)     GPS 280     Range 112.0m km    MCR 12.2m km    Resolution 1
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPS-1 (1)     GPS 5600     Range 500.9m km    Resolution 20
Smutz-Worrell Electronics OAR-4 (1)     Sensitivity 280     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  280m km
Smutz-Worrell Electronics OPR-4 (1)     Sensitivity 280     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  280m km

Compact ECCM-4 (1)         ECM 40

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
These scout new jump points. 

Orion-class Gravitational Survey Vessel
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Orion class Gravitational Survey Vessel    5,000 tons     121 Crew     2469.9 BP      TCS 100  TH 1024  EM 0
10240 km/s    JR 3-100     Armour 5-26     Shields 0-0     Sensors 40/40/25/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 0
Maint Life 3.16 Years     MSP 957    AFR 64%    IFR 0.9%    1YR 144    5YR 2164    Max Repair 409.6 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Spare Berths 0   

Radiant Dynamics K105-100     Max Ship Size 5250 tons    Distance 100k km     Squadron Size 3
Santoyo-Kio AMS-1024 (1)    Power 1024    Fuel Use 7.78%    Signature 1024    Exp 8%
Fuel Capacity 570,000 Litres    Range 263.8 billion km   (298 days at full power)

Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 50000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Celso-Kellen OAR-3 (1)     Sensitivity 40     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  40m km
Gindlesperger-Kimbrel OPR-3 (1)     Sensitivity 40     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  40m km
Phased Gravitational Sensors (5)   25 Survey Points Per Hour

ECM 40

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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2016, 09:16:41 AM »
Situational orders are your friend, also, I bit the bullet and just built a single class of science vessel.    One Geo sensor, one grav sensor so they can do both geo and grav seaches - and still small, I pair them up with a scout ship that can take 3-4 of the small scouts with them on a jump, and then just order them to split on last jump and send them on there way.    they reform on the survey jump ship after finishing.   
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Re: Surveyor Management
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2016, 10:35:32 AM »
I should probably add that for geosurvey, I went with the single-ship model.  I tried squadrons at one point, but they were near-useless because of the variability of the geosurvey targets.  At the moment, I have 18 of these, which work quite well:
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Explorer class Survey Ship    7,200 tons     197 Crew     4428.3 BP      TCS 144  TH 1620  EM 0
11250 km/s    JR 3-100     Armour 5-33     Shields 0-0     Sensors 80/80/0/35     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 4
Maint Life 3.09 Years     MSP 1922    AFR 82%    IFR 1.2%    1YR 303    5YR 4538    Max Repair 729 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Spare Berths 0   

Radiant Dynamics K147-100     Max Ship Size 7350 tons    Distance 100k km     Squadron Size 3
Haslam Engineering AMS-1620 (1)    Power 1620    Fuel Use 8.45%    Signature 1620    Exp 9%
Fuel Capacity 610,000 Litres    Range 180.5 billion km   (185 days at full power)

Westcott-Ballance Laser, 10cm, Mk1 Mod0 (2)    Range 270,000km     TS: 12500 km/s     Power 3-3     RM 9    ROF 5        3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2
Rizo-Lare CIWS Mk1 Mod0 (1x12)    Range 1000 km     TS: 50000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Boland Space & Security OWG-9 (1)    Max Range: 300,000 km   TS: 12500 km/s     97 93 90 87 83 80 77 73 70 67
Dominque Incorporated RASC-6 (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 20%

Boland Space & Security OPS-12 (1)     GPS 200     Range 80.0m km    MCR 8.7m km    Resolution 1
Celso-Kellen OAR-2 (1)     Sensitivity 80     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  80m km
Celso-Kellen OPR-2 (1)     Sensitivity 80     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  80m km
Phased Geological Sensors (7)   35 Survey Points Per Hour

Compact ECCM-4 (1)         ECM 40

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