Aurora 4x
VB6 Aurora => Advanced Tactical Command Academy => Topic started by: GenJeFT on April 11, 2013, 05:22:33 PM
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I have developed a new class of weapon for my beam ships. What I call a 21 inch Torpedo.
21 inch Torpedo.
Missile Size: 21 MSP (1.05 HS) Warhead: 49 Armour: 0 Manoeuvre Rating: 14
Speed: 26700 km/s Engine Endurance: 1 minutes Range: 0.9m km
Cost Per Missile: 20.7796
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 373.8% 3k km/s 112% 5k km/s 74.8% 10k km/s 37.4%
Materials Required: 12.25x Tritanium 8.5296x Gallicite Fuel x12.5
The purpose of this weapon is for it to be placed on my ships using either box launchers and no magazines or very small launchers with a long reload speed. I tend to prefer heavily armored ships using beam weapons that move in close and this allows them to pack a MASSIVE punch at very close ranges by closing to ranges where the PD cant even react to the torpedo hence its very short range. Its basically a big warhead strapped to a couple of big engines. It also takes advantage of the new impact shock system where internal components can be damaged by large impacts. If I launch it from 130ish km away it should impact before any PD can react to it. It should blast past 7 layers of armor. I plan on making bigger torpedoes in the future.
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It's a solid design. I'm using something like this, but much smaller and with less payload against swarm soldiers whenever I encounter them. This torpedo could be a superb weapon countering the spoiler queen.
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Not really a new concept. But I am pleased to see that new players are willing to use it.
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I just noticed a problem with it. I have what I call the Harpoon II (based off the Harpoon I) which only does 3 less damage then the 21 inch Torpedo (46 warhead compared to 49). It travels a good deal slower and does not remotely have the hit chance but reaches out nearly 100m km. The Harpoon I has proven quite effective in battle against spoilers but not the type that have a queen. One thing that helps the Harpoon is the 1 armor its got.
One nice thing about the 21 inch torpedo is I dont need a large fire control for it and I will probably be able to cram it into a fighter sized craft using box launchers. I will call the fighter the Fairey Swordfish. This should work well paired with smaller missile fire controls in smaller ships. I still have the Adams class (now upgraded from Adams II to Adams III) that fire the harpoons for long range support.
I have yet to run into an NPR.
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What was the problem?
I'm totally stealing this idea for use with a heavy fighter bomber group I'm playing with, by the way.
Thanks for sharing!
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I'm one of the few players that plays with "big missiles", mostly for RP purposes.
My war cruiser groups fire size 12 missiles and my heavy bomber groups drop size 16 bombs. I also run armored size 48 drones which spam tiny missiles and have roughly the same speed and range as my fighter/bomber squadrons. Your design is very much like the "stranglet torpedo" that my science vessels use. Each science vessel mounts two in box launchers. It's a weapon of last resort, just because my science vessels have run into some creepy stuff in the depths of space.
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Hmm, If I was going to design large well equipped RP science vessels like yours I might put a massive box launcher inside with a massive missile inside named "warp core" which can be ejected for self destruct purposes.
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I'm replaying that universe and about 7 years away from building the next one. Your suggestion will be incorporated into the design.
The "Aurora" class also runs 2 massively long-ranged particle beams for keeping ships at bay...mostly because I like the idea of yelling "FIRE SYNCHROTON BEAMS!" while alone in my apartment.
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Ha!
I like it.
And in other news, I'm posting over in the Bureau of Ship Design with a set of assault craft, one if which is directly inspired by this thread.
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Oh man, I've been meaning to try this idea for the longest time. Definitely doing it in my current game.
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On my desktop game at home ive been doing this with size 16 missiles on my mostly beam battleships. 6msp to warhead (36 damage) 8 to engine. .005 to fuel, and the remainder to agility also i do the same thing minus an engine, traded for an msp of active sensor.
Sail in close range as the dozen gauss cannons the ship has eat all the missiles coming in. Close to 200kkm, let go with the 16s, watch as a number of gaping holes appear in all the enemies armor, pass a bit closer and finish them off with my 30cm plasma carronades.
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Since my usual space doctrine is: smaller is better, I'm gonna try a scaled down version:
Missile Size: 6 MSP (0.3 HS) Warhead: 25 Armour: 0 Manoeuvre Rating: 27
Speed: 21300 km/s Engine Endurance: 1 minutes Range: 0.7m km
Cost Per Missile: 9.882
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 575.1% 3k km/s 189% 5k km/s 115% 10k km/s 57.5%
Materials Required: 6.25x Tritanium 3.632x Gallicite Fuel x12.5
Gonna make small size 6 box launcher drone fighters, carry them up close in heavily armoured beam PD / AMM mounting carriers, and release them when they're close enough. Many thanks to my 40% research bonus, 50 lab missile specialist. It took a while to get to this tier, from conventional start :P
EDIT: there we go
Deepstrike class Strikefighter 500 tons 8 Crew 136.4 BP TCS 10 TH 60 EM 0
12000 km/s Armour 2-5 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 5.4
Maint Life 8.58 Years MSP 34 AFR 10% IFR 0.1% 1YR 1 5YR 12 Max Repair 30 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 1 months Spare Berths 2
Magazine 36
40 EP Internal Fusion MicroDrive (3) Power 40 Fuel Use 336.02% Signature 20 Exp 20%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres Range 0.5 billion km (12 hours at full power)
Size 6 Box Launcher (6) Missile Size 6 Hangar Reload 45 minutes MF Reload 7.5 hours
SR Torpedo Fire Control FC9-R100 (50%) (2) Range 9.2m km Resolution 100
Size 6 SR Torpedo Mk1 (6) Speed: 21,300 km/s End: 0.5m Range: 0.7m km WH: 25 Size: 6 TH: 191/115/57
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Gonna make small size 6 box launcher drone fighters, carry them up close in heavily armoured beam PD / AMM mounting carriers, and release them when they're close enough. Many thanks to my 40% research bonus, 50 lab missile specialist. It took a while to get to this tier, from conventional start :P
EDIT: there we go
Deepstrike class Strikefighter 500 tons 8 Crew 136.4 BP TCS 10 TH 60 EM 0
12000 km/s Armour 2-5 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 5.4
Maint Life 8.58 Years MSP 34 AFR 10% IFR 0.1% 1YR 1 5YR 12 Max Repair 30 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 1 months Spare Berths 2
Magazine 36
40 EP Internal Fusion MicroDrive (3) Power 40 Fuel Use 336.02% Signature 20 Exp 20%
Fuel Capacity 5,000 Litres Range 0.5 billion km (12 hours at full power)
Size 6 Box Launcher (6) Missile Size 6 Hangar Reload 45 minutes MF Reload 7.5 hours
SR Torpedo Fire Control FC9-R100 (50%) (2) Range 9.2m km Resolution 100
Size 6 SR Torpedo Mk1 (6) Speed: 21,300 km/s End: 0.5m Range: 0.7m km WH: 25 Size: 6 TH: 191/115/57
Not related to Torpedos in general but I think you could make that fighter a bit more effective by skipping engineering and reducing deployment time to 0.1 months. That should let you build in a bigger engine and/or more fuel without really losing anything.
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Oh, I never realized deployment time did not need to be an integer value. Thanks!
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This made me want to build something like this, so here is the SR-AS-25T:
Missile Size: 25 MSP (1.25 HS) Warhead: 85 Armour: 3 Manoeuvre Rating: 16
Speed: 24000 km/s Engine Endurance: 76 minutes Range: 109.6m km
Active Sensor Strength: 2.502 Sensitivity Modifier: 110%
Resolution: 1 Maximum Range vs 50 ton object (or larger): 270 000 km
ECM Level: 1
Cost Per Missile: 37.202
Chance to Hit: 1k km/s 384% 3k km/s 128% 5k km/s 76.8% 10k km/s 38.4%
Materials Required: 22x Tritanium 1.5x Boronide 3.002x Uridium 10.7x Gallicite Fuel x12590
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Last i checked, Final Defensive Fire should be able to hit even on the instantaneous range, or at least CIWS should. I'd need to re test it, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Pretty sure that final fire will still attack even if you fire from within ciws range.
Its a strong tactic against enemies who use lots of amms because they wont get a shot off. But its quite important to have separate fire controls for each launcher so that if regular beam ships try to engage them, they cant shoot down all the missiles.
Also bring a few different kinds of ammo, armored ones, ecm ones. Even have loaded the launchers with amm mines for defense before. Major drawback though is the slow rof of large launchers. (I like size 16 and 8, because with rof4 tech thats a 2min and 1 min reload)
Perhaps though with that testing 1 of the guys is doing with laser warheads and ciws, laser heads might be an option aswell.
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Oooh, i forgot about laser warheads! Actually, i think if fired within instantaneous hit range, laser tipped missiles may be completely uncounterable by point defense. Interestingly,the max range for its use like this is roughly the same as the best laser engagement ranges, if more accurate. It is interesting how that works out, huh?
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all the sudden I think I am going to make a allahu akbar fighter with a 64 dam warhead torpedo. thanks for the idea