Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 20, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
Post by: Beersatron on May 20, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"
Invaders popping up several million kilometers from their stable wormhole!! First time it happenned they were in the middle of the wreckage from the first incursion. This time they appear on top of Earth!!! They wormhole has an active pick, and only one shows on the system map. Either something is broken or the Invaders can appear anywhere within a system that has a wormhole. WTF!!!
Maybe an unintentional side effect of spawning a non-NPR. Could it be that Steve is hooking into the same spawning code that is used for Star Swarm, [spoiler:2fr2u9v9]since they spawn from wrecks[/spoiler:2fr2u9v9]?
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 20, 2010, 02:24:44 PM
Post by: Beersatron on May 20, 2010, 02:35:16 PM
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 20, 2010, 03:03:23 PM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on May 20, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"
Invaders popping up several million kilometers from their stable wormhole!! First time it happenned they were in the middle of the wreckage from the first incursion. This time they appear on top of Earth!!! They wormhole has an active pick, and only one shows on the system map. Either something is broken or the Invaders can appear anywhere within a system that has a wormhole. WTF!!!They can appear some distance from the wormhole as they have the same tech that allows jump-capable ships to arrive away from their destination jump point. However, this should be limited to a max of 2-3 million kilometers. Unfortunately I am still in Vegas so I can't look at the code.
Steve
Post by: Charlie Beeler on May 20, 2010, 03:40:23 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"Invaders popping up several million kilometers from their stable wormhole!! First time it happenned they were in the middle of the wreckage from the first incursion. This time they appear on top of Earth!!! They wormhole has an active pick, and only one shows on the system map. Either something is broken or the Invaders can appear anywhere within a system that has a wormhole. WTF!!!They can appear some distance from the wormhole as they have the same tech that allows jump-capable ships to arrive away from their destination jump point. However, this should be limited to a max of 2-3 million kilometers. Unfortunately I am still in Vegas so I can't look at the code.
Steve
Just some addition info for when you can review the code.
This latest one was about 74m km from the wormhole and the previous one was about 114m km. The wormhole hasn't moved since it appeared in the Sol System.
Something else I'm finding. Each new incursion class is in the range of twice the size as the previous class.
Post by: waresky on July 07, 2010, 05:56:32 AM
3 time am reborn.
in 2 years this r the most badly change in whole game.
my 2 cents
Now am wait for trash the Invader definely: am waitn for 5.2
Astorre out
Post by: welchbloke on July 07, 2010, 06:29:26 AM
Quote from: "waresky"
3 new campaign with invaders who annhilitaed me..Luck does seem to play a major part in dealing with this new threat. If they turn up somewhere out of the way and you get enough time to build up a force, they can be dealt with quite nicely. If they turn up in your home system early in the game - then it's a case of do you prefer your Home World flash fried or roasted?
3 time am reborn.
in 2 years this r the most badly change in whole game.
my 2 cents
Now am wait for trash the Invader definely: am waitn for 5.2
Astorre out
Post by: waresky on July 07, 2010, 07:31:22 AM
Quote from: "welchbloke"
AFter 2 years in Updating..this late r very wrong change ever made from Steve.Quote from: "waresky"3 new campaign with invaders who annhilitaed me..Luck does seem to play a major part in dealing with this new threat. If they turn up somewhere out of the way and you get enough time to build up a force, they can be dealt with quite nicely. If they turn up in your home system early in the game - then it's a case of do you prefer your Home World flash fried or roasted?
3 time am reborn.
in 2 years this r the most badly change in whole game.
my 2 cents
Now am wait for trash the Invader definely: am waitn for 5.2
Astorre out
am reply: my 2 cents.
Boring situation and not RolePaying posture for this "NEw" feature.
too absurd...(or same as REAL space= absurd too?:DDD)
Post by: welchbloke on July 07, 2010, 07:36:53 AM
Quote from: "waresky"
AFter 2 years in Updating..this late r very wrong change ever made from Steve.Steve has acknowledged that the Invaders are overpowered and he will be altering them for 5.2.
am reply: my 2 cents.
Boring situation and not RolePaying posture for this "NEw" feature.
too absurd...(or same as REAL space= absurd too?:DDD)
Post by: Charlie Beeler on July 07, 2010, 08:07:34 AM
I'm still playing the same game. Granted it's not everyday, but I'm about 15 years past where I was when I last posted in this thread.
I think my issue with where the Invaders were first showing up had to do with the time incriments I was using, 30 days. That appears to have been allowing segnificant movement away from the wormhole before they were detected. This is inspite of having scouts at 4 points around the wormhole at 25m km's. I've since been using 1 day increments and have not had a repeat of the them first being detected several hundred km's from the wormhole.
My build up of several hundred missile fighters has been all that has allowed me to stay in this game.
I absolutely agree that the Invaders are way too powerful for races that start with research points under 1 million. My current game started with 300,000 rp's and I am bearly holding my home system. The economy is wrecked. Almost everything is being poured into new fighters generations and missile stocks to feed the fighters. What isn't being spent in those areas is either research based on wreck salvage or upgrading the remaining starting ships with new tech. No new ship construction has occurred in the last 8-10 game years.
Things are finally looking up. Radiation from the bombardment during the second incursion has disapated and the dust levels are low enough again that the massive infrastructure build is no longer needed. The infrastructure is being distributed to new colonies in the Sol system. Factory production is starting up again to replace the lost factories, mines, and research facilities. I'm having to very carefully watch the treasury and make sure too not let it dip negative for very long. The emergency buildup after the first incursion had a hugely negative impact on production and took almost 5 years to dig out from under.
Post by: Beersatron on July 07, 2010, 01:02:47 PM
I have found that my cheaper PDC with 30 size 5 launchers does better than the more expensive PDC with 10 size 10 launchers and 16 size 1 launchers. Single salvo of 10 is swatted out of the sky and I have no-hope in intercepting their torps.
I have since created a specialised Invader killer (theoretically) that is based on my BB. Instead of 26 size 5 launchers it has 260 size 5 box launchers
and a speed of 11k kms. Idea is to deliver one hell of an alpha with these BBs and then have the standard BBs finish with smaller salvos but sustained firing. Plus, I get to run away and possibly have the time to reload.
Post by: welchbloke on July 07, 2010, 03:48:19 PM
Quote from: "Beersatron"
I have since created a specialised Invader killer (theoretically) that is based on my BB. Instead of 26 size 5 launchers it has 260 size 5 box launchersBased upon my experience that alpha strike should definately kill a 32 000 tonne Invader maybe even 2 of them; I haven't fought any 64 000 tonne Invaders yet, but I would expect it would take significant damage. I would have at least 6 of those Invader killers if you can afford it. Don't forget they are going to have to fight uphill against a deluge of plasma torps.
Post by: Beersatron on July 07, 2010, 04:10:21 PM
The standard BB has 14 armor and 90 shields, the Box BB has 10 armor and 90 shields.
I will probably have them escorted in by 4 CLEs and 6 CAs (2nd Fleet), the CAs have older version of the Size 5 missile and only ECCM-2 so they will be firing at about 27million km. The Box launchers stay with the fleet until impact and then turn, while the rest close-in to optimal FC range.
I only have one 6000 ton Meson FF at the moment so don't want to try bringing him into the fight. I reckon I will need 'a bucket load' of them to be able to survive the ranged fire before getting into range. Trying to remember the design, think it is 4 armor but can't remember if it has shields or not. It has 2 Twin Meson Turrets at tracking speed of 25k which may actually not be enough for PD!
Post by: lastverb on July 07, 2010, 04:23:09 PM
Quote from: "welchbloke"
Based upon my experience that alpha strike should definately kill a 32 000 tonne Invader maybe even 2 of them;I think it will not kill even one, 260x6 is just 1560 dmg not counting pd. I haven't done 12800 tons one in ~1200 dmg salvo (single armor penetration noticed). They might be somewhat overpowered, but its something i wanted
Post by: welchbloke on July 07, 2010, 04:32:32 PM
Quote from: "lastverb"
I went back and checked my notes, the 32 000 tonne warship has a 750 strength shield. So assuming that 100% of the salvo hits, unlikely I know, it should just about destroy the target.Quote from: "welchbloke"Based upon my experience that alpha strike should definately kill a 32 000 tonne Invader maybe even 2 of them;I think it will not kill even one, 260x6 is just 1560 dmg not counting pd. I haven't done 12800 tons one in ~1200 dmg salvo (single armor penetration noticed). They might be somewhat overpowered, but its something i wanted
Post by: Beersatron on July 07, 2010, 06:09:43 PM
Post by: Charlie Beeler on July 07, 2010, 10:11:10 PM
Quote from: "welchbloke"
Quote from: "lastverb"I went back and checked my notes, the 32 000 tonne warship has a 750 strength shield. So assuming that 100% of the salvo hits, unlikely I know, it should just about destroy the target.Quote from: "welchbloke"Based upon my experience that alpha strike should definately kill a 32 000 tonne Invader maybe even 2 of them;I think it will not kill even one, 260x6 is just 1560 dmg not counting pd. I haven't done 12800 tons one in ~1200 dmg salvo (single armor penetration noticed). They might be somewhat overpowered, but its something i wanted
Actually that may not be enough. If I recall correctly, armor is 15, 3 PD CIWS and ECM-6. Add to that 8 size 32 plasma torps that have a range around 20m km's with a ROF of around 3 minutes.
The 64,000 ton ships have shields at 1500, armor 20, and 6 PD CIWS with 16 size 32 plasma torps.
Both classes are very tough to kill. On the good side they appear to have limited fire control suites and don't spread thier fire very well.
Post by: jocan2003 on July 08, 2010, 09:59:15 PM
, You need to shoot as much missile as the ennemy ship have launcher and your fine.
Post by: waresky on July 09, 2010, 03:10:19 AM
Am respect for u all,who "love" this feature.
For me,NPR r enough for much funny.
Every tactics towards "Invaders" are out of any RPG idea.
ever my 2 cents
am waitn for 5.2 srry Steve.
Post by: symon on July 09, 2010, 05:49:25 AM
Post by: Starkiller on July 11, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
[spoiler:2rbvbbil]I got a bit to close, and the little SOB rammed me. It said a strength 0 absorption shield explosion was detected. That told me it was likely an Invader survey vessel. Can you imagine? A 6000 ton ship ramming a 12000 ton one? He knocked my shields flat, tore through the armour and destroyed one engine, and that was it. Alien morons. What next?
[/spoiler:2rbvbbil]Eric
Post by: welchbloke on July 12, 2010, 04:01:30 AM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Heh. I discovered one doing the same as I was, in the fourth wormhole system I found. I was grav surveying, and so was he. I followed, with active sensors on, trying to glean as much info as I could.IIRC Steve has set up both Precursors and [spoiler:2u6yn894]Invaders[/spoiler:2u6yn894] to ram if they have no weapons/ ammunition.
[spoiler:2u6yn894]I got a bit to close, and the little SOB rammed me. It said a strength 0 absorption shield explosion was detected. That told me it was likely an Invader survey vessel. Can you imagine? A 6000 ton ship ramming a 12000 ton one? He knocked my shields flat, tore through the armour and destroyed one engine, and that was it. Alien morons. What next?
Eric
Post by: waresky on July 13, 2010, 05:59:50 AM
more and more deepest into absurd...
Post by: welchbloke on July 13, 2010, 06:03:57 AM
Quote from: "waresky"
One Battleship-class 64000tons rammed my Jumpgate builder...imagine explosion..:D
Post by: waresky on July 15, 2010, 06:04:07 AM
Quote from: "welchbloke"
Quote from: "waresky"One Battleship-class 64000tons rammed my Jumpgate builder...imagine explosion..:D103k metrictonnes:)
Ok ok,,let me take a breath Welch:-D
Ehy..we have lost another "Bigger" designers uh,Welch?
Post by: welchbloke on July 15, 2010, 07:43:28 AM
Quote from: "waresky"
Quote from: "welchbloke"Quote from: "waresky"One Battleship-class 64000tons rammed my Jumpgate builder...imagine explosion..:D103k metrictonnes:)
Ok ok,,let me take a breath Welch:-D
:D
Post by: laz on July 15, 2010, 09:49:55 AM
Post by: symon on July 15, 2010, 10:19:34 AM
That's why I'm waiting for 5.20.