Useful Tactic

[Steve Walmsley (OP)]

I just had a situation in my current campaign that I thought I would share. One race has found a population of another and sent in a couple of small scout ships. One scout ship headed directly for the population on the third planet while the other headed for the fourth planet, which was on the far side of the star. The first ship got detected and had to retreat but the other scout entered orbit of the fourth planet and deactivated its engines. It now has a passive signature of 0.03, making it virtually undetectable on a passive scan. While it lies low, the third and fourth planets move closer together, giving it a close look at the enemy population, while the population does not suspect its presence.

Steve

[waresky]

Very cool.

Ty for useful "Scouting" info,Steve..am lost in ur big program,..P

(SA was very simple compare...)

[waresky]

Mine Terran Empire year 2077
TAG:"1° CRURON" (Cruiser Squadroon) 2 fully Active

1 Jump Tender 28000t
4-5 Cruiser Guided Missile (e.g. Sharnhost-Class)
8-10 CLE CruiserEscort (PointDef Duty)
1-2 SupportVessel
1 Fuel Harvester
1-2 AEW (EarlyWarningCraft) Class
2 Tk (Tanker Class)
1 SquadCollier
1 Courier (JumpCapable) for fast communications-Commander deliver-Trasfer
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TAG:"1° CARRION" (Carrier Squadroon) 3 fully active

1 Jump Tender 28000t
3-4 CVL "Terra-Class"
35 FighterBomber
1 FighterScout
1 Tug
4-5 Cruiser Escort
1 Support Vessel
1 Tanker (2 better)
1 Fuel Harvester (too slow but good for backrefuel 1 system before Patrol Duty)
1 AEW (EarlyWarningCraft)

[waresky]

Terra class Light Carrier    26150 tons     2079 Crew     3723 BP      TCS 523  TH 392  EM 240
749 km/s     Armour 8-78     Shields 8-400     Sensors 30/30/0/0     Damage Control Rating 88     PPV 10
Annual Failure Rate: 94%    IFR: 1.3%    Maintenance Capacity 8161 MSP    Max Repair 200 MSP
Flag Bridge    Hangar Deck Capacity 4500 tons     Magazine 1080    
Fuel Harvester: 1 modules producing 60000 litres per annum
Maintenance Modules: 2 module(s) capable of supporting ships of 400 tons

GE Ion Engine  H2 E4.75 (7)    Power 56    Efficiency 0.48    Signature 56    Armour 0    Exp 4%    Hyper Capable
Fuel Capacity 1,020,000 Litres    Range 147.7 billion km   (2282 days at full power)
Gamma R400/18 Shields (4)   Total Fuel Cost  72 Litres per day

12cm Railgun V2/C2 (2x4)    Range 40,000km     TS: 5000 km/s     Power 6-2     RM 2    ROF 15        2 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S05 64-3000 H40 (1)    Max Range: 128,000 km   TS: 3000 km/s     92 84 77 69 61 53 45 37 30 22
Stellarator Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (1)     Total Power Output 6    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Arbalest II 1 (1080)  Speed: 18200 km/s   End: 3.3 minutes    Range: 3.6m km   Warhead: 3    MR: 19    Size: 1

Arbalest Active Sensor S60-R1/100 (1)     GPS 60     Range 600k km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH5-30/40 (1)     Sensitivity 30     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  30m km
EM Detection Sensor EM5-30/100 (1)     Sensitivity 30     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  30m km

Strike Group
11x F-Arbalest Mk2 Fighter-bomber   Speed: 4615 km/s    Size: 7.15
1x F-Elephant x Fighter-Scout   Speed: 4125 km/s    Size: 8

Note to ARBALEST II missile: Fighter use them

[waresky]

F-Arbalest Mk2 class Fighter-bomber    357.5 tons     48 Crew     60.8 BP      TCS 7.15  TH 24.75  EM 0
4615 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 6/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 2
Annual Failure Rate: 4%    IFR: 0.1%    Maintenance Capacity 27 MSP    Max Repair 10 MSP
Magazine 14    

FTR Ion Engine E570 (1)    Power 33    Efficiency 57.00    Signature 24.75    Armour 0    Exp 20%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 0.9 billion km   (53 hours at full power)

Arbalest  Launcher 01-030 (2)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 30
Arbalest Anti-Missile 300k FC10-R1/100 (1)     Range 300k km    Resolution 1
Arbalest II 1 (14)  Speed: 18200 km/s   End: 3.3 minutes    Range: 3.6m km   Warhead: 3    MR: 19    Size: 1

Thermal Sensor TH1-6/40 (1)     Sensitivity 6     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  6m km

This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

[MWadwell]

Terra class Light Carrier    26150 tons     2079 Crew     3723 BP      TCS 523  TH 392  EM 240

I gotta admit, when I saw the name (specifically the "Light Carrier" bit), and then saw the mass of the ship, I had a good chuckle - 26K tons is classed as "light".....

[waresky]

Yeah..but an "Carrier" Light under 20k tons r very ridicolous..ive been test some design..and "for me" a good Fighter Screen for an Light Carrier are MINIMAL 10 Fighters..
So ive an Heavy carrier on Duty 180.000 tons class....and 40+ Fighters on-board.
Maintenance,fuel,services,hangars,magazines ecc.ecc..26k r very low all that:)

[Erik L]

I'd like to counter your fleet with mine. I'll limit it to 100k tons, the approximate tonnage of your carriers. I've not included a collier, tanker or jump ship as those I'd place into a support group assigned to the combat group.

1st Heavy Carrier Squadron
5x Spruance -class Carrier
5x Enterprise-class Escort
2x Fletcher-class Destroyer

Strikegroup
50x Essex Heavy Fighters
5x Lexington Recon Fighters

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Spruance class Carrier    10000 tons     645 Crew     1647 BP      TCS 200  TH 57.6  EM 300
1200 km/s     Armour 2-41     Shields 10-600     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 6
Annual Failure Rate: 800%    IFR: 11.1%    Maintenance Capacity 103 MSP    Max Repair 210 MSP
Hangar Deck Capacity 5000 tons     Magazine 106    

Ion Engine E6 (4)    Power 60    Efficiency 0.60    Signature 14.4    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 500,000 Litres    Range 150.0 billion km   (1446 days at full power)
Gamma R600/20 Shields (5)   Total Fuel Cost  100 Litres per day

AM Launcher (6)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 15
AM Missile Fire Control FC84-R1/100 (1)     Range 2.5m km    Resolution 1
AM-1 Archer (106)  Speed: 28800 km/s   End: 34.7 minutes    Range: 60m km   Warhead: 1    MR: 10    Size: 1

Active Search Sensor S210-R40/100 (1)     GPS 8400     Range 84.0m km    Resolution 40
Active Search Sensor S210-R1/100 (1)     GPS 210     Range 2.1m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1-11/40 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11/100 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

ECM 20

Strike Group
10x Essex Heavy Fighter   Speed: 3789 km/s    Size: 9.5
1x Lexington Recon Fighter   Speed: 8372 km/s    Size: 4.3AM launchers and missiles are for self/fleet defense only.

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Enterprise class Escort    8000 tons     669 Crew     1925 BP      TCS 160  TH 72  EM 300
1875 km/s     Armour 3-35     Shields 10-600     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 42
Annual Failure Rate: 512%    IFR: 7.1%    Maintenance Capacity 150 MSP    Max Repair 430 MSP
Magazine 370    

Ion Engine E6 (5)    Power 60    Efficiency 0.60    Signature 14.4    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres    Range 18.8 billion km   (115 days at full power)
Gamma R600/20 Shields (5)   Total Fuel Cost  100 Litres per day

Quad Gauss Cannon R3-100 Turret (1x12)    Range 30,000km     TS: 12800 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 3    ROF 5        1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S16 128-12800 H40 (1)    Max Range: 256,000 km   TS: 12800 km/s     96 92 88 84 80 77 73 69 65 61

Missile Launcher 01-010 (10)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
AM Missile Fire Control FC84-R1/100 (1)     Range 2.5m km    Resolution 1
AM-1 Archer (370)  Speed: 28800 km/s   End: 34.7 minutes    Range: 60m km   Warhead: 1    MR: 10    Size: 1

Active Search Sensor S210-R40/100 (1)     GPS 8400     Range 84.0m km    Resolution 40
Active Search Sensor S210-R1/100 (1)     GPS 210     Range 2.1m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1-11/40 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11/100 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

ECCM-2 (2)         ECM 20AM missiles are for self/fleet defense only.

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Essex class Heavy Fighter    475 tons     39 Crew     88.5 BP      TCS 9.5  TH 8.64  EM 0
3789 km/s     Armour 1-5     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 6
Annual Failure Rate: 95%    IFR: 1.3%    Maintenance Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 36 MSP

FTR Ion Engine E600 (1)    Power 36    Efficiency 60.00    Signature 8.639999    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 0.6 billion km   (46 hours at full power)

Gauss Cannon R3-100 (1x3)    Range 30,000km     TS: 3789 km/s     Accuracy Modifier 100%     RM 3    ROF 5        1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S01 32-3200 (FTR) (1)    Max Range: 64,000 km   TS: 12800 km/s     84 69 53 37 22 6 0 0 0 0

Active Search Sensor S10-R10/100 (FTR) (1)     GPS 100     Range 1,000k km    Resolution 10

This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes



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Lexington class Recon Fighter    215 tons     20 Crew     65.5 BP      TCS 4.3  TH 8.64  EM 0
8372 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 43%    IFR: 0.6%    Maintenance Capacity 0 MSP    Max Repair 19 MSP

FTR Ion Engine E600 (1)    Power 36    Efficiency 60.00    Signature 8.639999    Armour 0    Exp 25%
Fuel Capacity 10,000 Litres    Range 1.4 billion km   (46 hours at full power)

Active Search Sensor S10-R10/100 (FTR) (1)     GPS 100     Range 1,000k km    Resolution 10
Thermal Sensor TH1-11/40 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11/100 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

This design is classed as a non-combatant for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a fighter for production and combat purposes

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Fletcher class Destroyer    8600 tons     869 Crew     1480 BP      TCS 172  TH 72  EM 300
1744 km/s     Armour 3-37     Shields 10-600     Sensors 11/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 48
Annual Failure Rate: 591%    IFR: 8.2%    Maintenance Capacity 108 MSP    Max Repair 210 MSP
Magazine 948    

Ion Engine E6 (5)    Power 60    Efficiency 0.60    Signature 14.4    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 150,000 Litres    Range 52.3 billion km   (347 days at full power)
Gamma R600/20 Shields (5)   Total Fuel Cost  100 Litres per day

Missile Launcher 06-045 (8)    Missile Size 6    Rate of Fire 45
Missile Fire Control FC21-R40/100 (2)     Range 25.2m km    Resolution 40
ASM-1 Barracuda (158)  Speed: 16000 km/s   End: 52.1 minutes    Range: 50m km   Warhead: 15    MR: 10    Size: 6

Active Search Sensor S210-R40/100 (1)     GPS 8400     Range 84.0m km    Resolution 40
Thermal Sensor TH1-11/40 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11/100 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

ECCM-2 (2)         ECM 20

Please note that these designs are all untested and built with maximum tech of 15k RP. My general philosophy is that a carrier's offensive armaments are the fighters, so the only weapons they should mount are defensive.

For support purposes, this fleet would require minimum 1 jump ship capable of 10k ton transit, 1 tanker and 1 collier.
I've combined the jump ship with fuel and magazine space for a secondary collier/tanker. The main collier/tanker is a combined design.

1st Heavy Carrier Support Squadron
2x Enterprise-class Escort
2x Coontz-class Jump Ship
4x North Carolina-class Collier

The attached Enterprise ships are for defensive purposes only.
Missile resupply totals -
ASM-1 Barracuda: 1132
AM-1 Archer: 4008

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Coontz class Jump Ship    10000 tons     595 Crew     1534 BP      TCS 200  TH 72  EM 120
1500 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 1-41     Shields 4-600     Sensors 5/11/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 800%    IFR: 11.1%    Maintenance Capacity 96 MSP    Max Repair 400 MSP
Magazine 1800    

J10000(3-50) Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 10000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Ion Engine E6 (5)    Power 60    Efficiency 0.60    Signature 14.4    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 900,000 Litres    Range 270.0 billion km   (2083 days at full power)
Gamma R600/20 Shields (2)   Total Fuel Cost  40 Litres per day

ASM-1 Barracuda (300)  Speed: 16000 km/s   End: 52.1 minutes    Range: 50m km   Warhead: 15    MR: 10    Size: 6

Thermal Sensor TH1-5/100 (1)     Sensitivity 5     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  5m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-11/100 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  11m km

ECM 20

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North Carolina class Collier    10000 tons     498 Crew     1551 BP      TCS 200  TH 72  EM 0
1500 km/s     Armour 1-41     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 800%    IFR: 11.1%    Maintenance Capacity 97 MSP    Max Repair 60 MSP
Magazine 1800    

Ion Engine E6 (5)    Power 60    Efficiency 0.60    Signature 14.4    Armour 0    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 3,300,000 Litres    Range 990.0 billion km   (7638 days at full power)

AM-1 Archer (1002)  Speed: 28800 km/s   End: 34.7 minutes    Range: 60m km   Warhead: 1    MR: 10    Size: 1
ASM-1 Barracuda (133)  Speed: 16000 km/s   End: 52.1 minutes    Range: 50m km   Warhead: 15    MR: 10    Size: 6

This design is classed as a non-combatant for maintenance purposes

[waresky]

err..Erik..
CARRIERS
level armor=1
Maint failure 800%??

BUT..Escort 8000t-class have them:)..so an ESCORT 8000t and Carrier 10000 only?srry..

Obviously ur ships lack on Armor and maintenance.
And this 2 voice count HEAVILY on building mass:D..
U prob play without maintenance?
And armor-shields are a BIG part on ships design in REAL life:)
Ty for useful design,but am love hardest situation.

There ARENT in a Sea..we r in a huge Space.We need more and more logistical...when u r far from nearest Base 100-200-300 days.

[waresky]

In various campaign ive separated twos..but ive found in our Real Naval doctrine a good mix.
And in fact the next step r the difficult to protect both....so am unite them in one.
A single Squadroon MUST r little independence,otherwise for support squadroon am need ANOTHER escort squadroon and so on..
Eventually in a single Cruiser or Battle or Carrier Squadroon am raise up the level and type of ecort Class,for point defend duty,and for escort to Support vessel duty.
Jump advance with Combat vessels,then followd by logistical and escort.
A Fleets (normally 3 to 10 Squadroons) become more elastic and better check maintenance-refueled.

Srry for my bad english mate:)

[waresky]

So u think,WHY build up another Escort Squadroon if an single squadroon r semi-indepent?
ES (Escort Squadroon) can have some light duty,patrol,escort future civilians,support a battle Squadroon in control a ENTIRE solar system (duty for a entire fleet i think)

5-8 Missile Frigates
4 Destroyer Escort
1 Tanker
1 Support vessel
1 AEW /Early Warn Craft)
1 MineLayer
1 Collier
1 Scout-Courier

[Erik L]

err..Erik..
CARRIERS
level armor=1
Maint failure 800%??

BUT..Escort 8000t-class have them:)..so an ESCORT 8000t and Carrier 10000 only?srry..

Obviously ur ships lack on Armor and maintenance.
And this 2 voice count HEAVILY on building mass:D..
U prob play without maintenance?
And armor-shields are a BIG part on ships design in REAL life:)
Ty for useful design,but am love hardest situation.

There ARENT in a Sea..we r in a huge Space.We need more and more logistical...when u r far from nearest Base 100-200-300 days.

Carriers are not meant to be in the thick of battle. They are meant to hang back and let their fighters do the work.

And yes, I usually play without maintenance.

[waresky]

Srry Erik,my english r bad so pls dont think am critic ur design,srry if u understand this.

But my Naval Design Bureau think another : Battleships Armor can easily reach 100level..a Cruiser Armored i think 8 to 15..and am think an Carrier can reach so a 8 to 15 levels..
1 are = Eggshell no? in Space debris,roids etc make them easy to breach..i think on RolePlaying Mode..so maintenance and Armor in REAL situation has been setup..no?

[waresky]

In Megatravller,and Steve know very good where r the best RPG Sci-Fi game and awesome rules,are two Naval Doctrine.
In Aurora r same.And same are the trouble who pose this..

Jump Fleet Tender: 1 single ship can jump and all ships in Squadroon cant jmp without them.
Good: more space for weapons and subsystem in every single ship.
Bad : if a Jump Tender r lost ALL ships are in very trouble,cut off from possibility to flee,very high possibility to LOST all Squadroon.

Single Ship Can Jump:
Good:Every Ship are capable to flee without help
Bad : Big mass for JumpDrive onboard,so every ship grow on mass,less space for weapons (same Class) and subsystems.

I think the "JumpTenderSquadroon" are good for first years of Empire's Life..but when resources come high,and are hundreds strategical Systems to defend,better build up an strongh Fleet who had JumpCapable every single ships.
So a TAG "Imperial Squadroon" are last and better Tech Ships,Colonials Squadroon r only JumpTender,reserve and backward patrol Duty.

[Erik L]

Srry Erik,my english r bad so pls dont think am critic ur design,srry if u understand this.

But my Naval Design Bureau think another : Battleships Armor can easily reach 100level..a Cruiser Armored i think 8 to 15..and am think an Carrier can reach so a 8 to 15 levels..
1 are = Eggshell no? in Space debris,roids etc make them easy to breach..i think on RolePlaying Mode..so maintenance and Armor in REAL situation has been setup..no?

Go ahead and critique

I hope you were able to understand all of that. My Italian is limited to "farfalle"