6.1 Soviet Designs as of year 2068.

[Marski (OP)]

Combat Vessels

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Kirov class Battlecruiser 28800 tons     725 Crew     12331.5 BP      TCS 576  TH 784  EM 0
8506 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 8-83     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/120/0/0     Damage Control 75     PPV 165.76
Annual Failure Rate: 206%    IFR: 2.9%    Maintenance Capacity 4014 MSP
Magazine 1750   Spare Berths 10   

J28800(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 28800 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Rostov Medium Military MCFD-2066/40 (7)    Power 700    Fuel Use 29.68%    Armour 0    Exp 14%
Fuel Capacity 1 750 000 Litres    Range 36.8 billion km   (50 days at full power)

Quad 50mm Gauss Cannon Turret (8x20)    Range 50 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 5    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Point-Defence targeting system R60K-TS40K (2)    Max Range: 120 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17

RSTLS-07 H (40)    Missile Size 7    Rate of Fire 150
TOR launch system (4)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Vostok Missile Guidance System II (2)     Range 309.1m km    Resolution 20
TOR Guidance System M-57 (4)     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
P-1800HR 'Granit' (120)  Speed: 64 300 km/s   End: 37.9m    Range: 146.1m km   WH: 20    Size: 7    TH: 321 / 192 / 96
P-1900 'Granit' (70)  Speed: 85 700 km/s   End: 30.4m    Range: 156.5m km   WH: 17    Size: 7    TH: 542 / 325 / 162
90K30M (420)  Speed: 90 000 km/s   End: 5.5m    Range: 30m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 720 / 432 / 216

Vostok IV Radar System MR504-R120 (1)     GPS 23040     Range 504.8m km     Resolution 120
Early warning system II (1)     GPS 144     Range 34.6m km     Resolution 1
EMDS 5-120 (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Strength 1000: 120m km

ECCM-4 (2)         ECM 40

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

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Azov class Recon Frigate 11700 tons     241 Crew     4368.75 BP      TCS 234  TH 280  EM 0
7478 km/s    JR 1-50     Armour 4-45     Shields 0-0     Sensors 24/24/6/0     Damage Control 38     PPV 2
Annual Failure Rate: 235%    IFR: 3.3%    Maintenance Capacity 1867 MSP
Parasite Capacity 500 tons     Troop Capacity: 1 CompanyMagazine 340   Flight Crew Berths 1    Cryogenic Berths 200   

J11700(1-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 11700 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 1
Class-Makarov Military MCFD-2063/40 (5)    Power 350    Fuel Use 33.4%    Armour 0    Exp 14%
Fuel Capacity 2 350 000 Litres    Range 108.2 billion km   (167 days at full power)

A-Vympel-500-A (2x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
TOR launch system (2)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
TOR Guidance System M-57 (1)     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
90K30M (340)  Speed: 90 000 km/s   End: 5.5m    Range: 30m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 720 / 432 / 216

TDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Signature 1000: 24m km
Vostok IV Radar System MR504-R120 (1)     GPS 23040     Range 504.8m km     Resolution 120
Early warning system II (1)     GPS 144     Range 34.6m km     Resolution 1
EMDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Strength 1000: 24m km
Advanced Gravitational Sensors (2)   6 Survey Points

ECM 30

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

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Projekt 1020 class Corvette 4500 tons     111 Crew     2284.375 BP      TCS 90  TH 140  EM 0
9722 km/s    JR 1-50     Armour 3-24     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control 31     PPV 17.25
Annual Failure Rate: 36%    IFR: 0.5%    Maintenance Capacity 317 MSP
Magazine 75   Spare Berths 4   

J4500(1-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 4500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 1
Class-Simonov Military MCFD-2062/40 (5)    Power 175    Fuel Use 35.25%    Armour 0    Exp 14%
Fuel Capacity 250 000 Litres    Range 28.4 billion km   (33 days at full power)

A-Vympel-500-A (2x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
300mm Gauss Cannon MR50/5 (2x5)    Range 50 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 5    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S01 60-10000 H30 (1)    Max Range: 120 000 km   TS: 10000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17

Size 5 Box Launcher (15)    Missile Size 5    Hangar Reload 37.5 minutes    MF Reload 6.2 hours
Vostok Missile Guidance System II (1)     Range 309.1m km    Resolution 20
H75HR-Vostok (15)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 37.9m    Range: 136.4m km   WH: 10    Size: 5    TH: 320 / 192 / 96

Vostok III Radar System MR345-R100 (1)     GPS 14400     Range 345.6m km     Resolution 100

Compact ECCM-3 (1)         ECM 30

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes


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Kalinin class Missile Frigate    18 000 tons     554 Crew     7552.05 BP      TCS 360  TH 504  EM 0
8750 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 4-61     Shields 0-0     Sensors 120/120/0/0     Damage Control Rating 39     PPV 80.88
Maint Life 2.06 Years     MSP 2360    AFR 288%    IFR 4%    1YR 744    5YR 11159    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 2 months    Spare Berths 1   
Magazine 1183    Cryogenic Berths 200   

J18000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 18000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Class-Makarov Military MCFD-2063/80 (7)    Power 450    Fuel Use 62.6%    Signature 72    Exp 18%
Fuel Capacity 2 150 000 Litres    Range 34.3 billion km   (45 days at full power)

Quad 50mm Gauss Cannon Turret (4x20)    Range 50 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 5    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
A-Vympel-500-A (2x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Point-Defence targeting system R60K-TS40K (1)    Max Range: 120 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17

FSMLS-05A1 (14)    Missile Size 5    Rate of Fire 25
Vostok Missile Guidance System II (1)     Range 309.1m km    Resolution 20
H75-Vostok (150)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 37.9m    Range: 136.4m km   WH: 20    Size: 5    TH: 320 / 192 / 96
H75HR-Vostok (86)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 37.9m    Range: 136.4m km   WH: 10    Size: 5    TH: 320 / 192 / 96

Vostok IV Radar System MR504-R120 (1)     GPS 23040     Range 504.8m km    Resolution 120
TDS 5-120 (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  120m km
EMDS 5-120 (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  120m km

ECCM-4 (1)         ECM 40

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


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Krivak class Frigate    18 000 tons     482 Crew     8980.5 BP      TCS 360  TH 576  EM 0
10000 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 6-61     Shields 0-0     Sensors 120/120/0/0     Damage Control Rating 66     PPV 74.9
Maint Life 1.18 Years     MSP 1871    AFR 432%    IFR 6%    1YR 1384    5YR 20756    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 3   
Magazine 342   

J18000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 18000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Class-Makarov Military MCFD-2063/80 (8)    Power 450    Fuel Use 62.6%    Signature 72    Exp 18%
Fuel Capacity 4 250 000 Litres    Range 67.9 billion km   (78 days at full power)

Twin 300mm Gauss Cannon MR50/5 Turret (2x10)    Range 50 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 5    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Quad 50mm Gauss Cannon Turret (8x20)    Range 50 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 5    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
300mm D8/15 Medium Railgun (4x4)    Range 120 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 21-8     RM 8    ROF 15        7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 6 5
Point-Defence targeting system R60K-TS40K (1)    Max Range: 120 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17
T-50 S-05 Mag. Conf. Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 50    Armour 0    Exp 5%

TOR launch system (4)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
TOR Guidance System M-57 (1)     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1

Early warning system II (1)     GPS 144     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
Vostok IV Radar System MR504-R120 (1)     GPS 23040     Range 504.8m km    Resolution 120
TDS 5-120 (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  120m km
EMDS 5-120 (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  120m km

ECM 40

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes

Planetary Defences

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Echelon class Aviabaze    49 700 tons     671 Crew     13681.9 BP      TCS 994  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 9-120     Sensors 1200/2400     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 6
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Flight Crew Berths 1   
Hangar Deck Capacity 10000 tons     Troop Capacity: 5 Battalions    Magazine 5202   

Fuel Capacity 50 000 Litres    Range N/A
A-Vympel-500-A (4x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
OSA launch system (8)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
TOR Guidance System M-57 (4)     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
90K30M (1402)  Speed: 90 000 km/s   End: 5.5m    Range: 30m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 720 / 432 / 216
P-50HR Nako (460)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 7.6m    Range: 27.3m km   WH: 15    Size: 5    TH: 300 / 180 / 90
H75HR-Vostok (300)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 37.9m    Range: 136.4m km   WH: 10    Size: 5    TH: 320 / 192 / 96

Airport Radar Complex I (1)     GPS 2400     Range 576.0m km    Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor Complex TH50-1200 (1)     Sensitivity 1200     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  1200m km
EM Sensor complex EM50-1200 (1)     Sensitivity 1200     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  1200m km

Strike Group
28x Su-2061 A Interceptor   Speed: 21582 km/s    Size: 6.95

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s


This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 20 sections


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Osa class Point Defence Base    6 650 tons     72 Crew     1173.5 BP      TCS 133  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 11-31     Sensors 1/144     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 3
Intended Deployment Time: 24 months    Spare Berths 0   
Troop Capacity: 1 Battalion    Magazine 666   

A-Vympel-500-A (2x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
OSA launch system (4)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
TOR Guidance System M-57 (2)     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
90K30M (666)  Speed: 90 000 km/s   End: 5.5m    Range: 30m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 720 / 432 / 216

Early warning system II (1)     GPS 144     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1

ECCM-4 (1)         Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s


This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 3 sections

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Heavy Howitzer class Battery    9 600 tons     260 Crew     3941.5 BP      TCS 192  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 5-40     Sensors 24/144     Damage Control Rating 30     PPV 48
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 0   
Troop Capacity: 1 Battalion   

A-Vympel-500-A (8x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
150mm D8 Heavy Howitzer (8x4)    Range 240 000km     TS: 10000 km/s     Power 9-8     RM 8    ROF 10        3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2
D8 Railgun targeting system (1)    Max Range: 337 500 km   TS: 20000 km/s     97 94 91 88 85 82 79 76 73 70
P-20 S-02 Mag. Conf. Fusion Reactor (4)     Total Power Output 80    Armour 0    Exp 5%

Early warning system II (1)     GPS 144     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
TDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km
EMDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km


This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 4 sections


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Trotsky class Missile Base    10 900 tons     138 Crew     1324 BP      TCS 218  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 9-43     Sensors 1/144     Damage Control Rating 30     PPV 20
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 0   
Troop Capacity: 2 Battalions    Magazine 1013   

A-Vympel-500-A (2x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
S-05 Silo (4)    Missile Size 5    Rate of Fire 10
Vostok Missile Guidance System I (1)     Range 202.8m km    Resolution 45
H75-Vostok (202)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 37.9m    Range: 136.4m km   WH: 20    Size: 5    TH: 320 / 192 / 96

Vostok II Radar System MR220-R120 (1)     GPS 17280     Range 220.8m km    Resolution 120

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s


This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 5 sections


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Ural class Sensor Outpost    12 450 tons     352 Crew     10132 BP      TCS 249  TH 0  EM 0
Armour 5-47     Sensors 1200/2400     Damage Control Rating 30     PPV 0
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 1   
Troop Capacity: 1 Battalion   

A-Vympel-500-A (4x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Sol-Pattern System Observation Radar (1)     GPS 288000     Range 6 309.8m km    Resolution 120
Thermal Sensor Complex TH50-1200 (1)     Sensitivity 1200     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  1200m km
EM Sensor complex EM50-1200 (1)     Sensitivity 1200     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  1200m km


This design is classed as a Planetary Defence Centre and can be pre-fabricated in 5 sections


Small craft

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Mi-9800 A class Dropship    240 tons     2 Crew     196.75 BP      TCS 4.8  TH 24  EM 0
31249 km/s     Armour 1-3     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 10.06 Years     MSP 51    AFR 4%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 1    5YR 14    Max Repair 84.375 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 8   
Drop Capacity: 1 Company   

Zukhoi Zu-8400 Boosted Fusion Thuster (2)    Power 75    Fuel Use 246.92%    Signature 12    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 20 000 Litres    Range 6.1 billion km   (53 hours at full power)

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

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Su-2061 A class Interceptor    338 tons     2 Crew     318.75 BP      TCS 6.75  TH 24  EM 0
22222 km/s     Armour 1-4     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 2.25
Maint Life 7.52 Years     MSP 59    AFR 9%    IFR 0.1%    1YR 2    5YR 28    Max Repair 84.375 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 8   
Magazine 15   

Zukhoi Zu-8400 Boosted Fusion Thuster (2)    Power 75    Fuel Use 246.92%    Signature 12    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 25 000 Litres    Range 5.4 billion km   (67 hours at full power)

Size 5 Box Launcher (3)    Missile Size 5    Hangar Reload 37.5 minutes    MF Reload 6.2 hours
Sukhoi MGS-61T29M (1)     Range 29.3m km    Resolution 18
P-50HR Nako (3)  Speed: 60 000 km/s   End: 7.6m    Range: 27.3m km   WH: 15    Size: 5    TH: 300 / 180 / 90

Sukhoi I Radar System MR36-R16 (1)     GPS 615     Range 36.9m km    Resolution 16

ECM 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes



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Tupolev TU-2400A class Landing Craft Assault    650 tons     2 Crew     244.75 BP      TCS 13  TH 24  EM 0
11538 km/s     Armour 1-6     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 1.18 Years     MSP 24    AFR 33%    IFR 0.5%    1YR 18    5YR 264    Max Repair 168.75 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 0.1 months    Spare Berths 8   
Drop Capacity: 1 Battalion   

Rostov-2/366 Heavy Boosted Fusion Thuster (1)    Power 150    Fuel Use 244.43%    Signature 24    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 20 000 Litres    Range 2.3 billion km   (54 hours at full power)

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


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Projekt 500 class Scout/Courier    75 tons     4 Crew     90.875 BP      TCS 1.5  TH 12  EM 0
50000 km/s     Armour 1-1     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 0     PPV 0
Maint Life 39.52 Years     MSP 76    AFR 0%    IFR 0%    1YR 0    5YR 1    Max Repair 84.375 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 2   

Zukhoi Zu-8400 Boosted Fusion Thuster (1)    Power 75    Fuel Use 246.92%    Signature 12    Exp 30%
Fuel Capacity 5 000 Litres    Range 4.9 billion km   (26 hours at full power)

This design is classed as a Fighter for production, combat and maintenance purposes

Fleet Logistics

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Borodino II class Troop Transport    40 500 tons     360 Crew     2878 BP      TCS 810  TH 5000  EM 0
6172 km/s    JR 1-25(C)     Armour 5-105     Shields 0-0     Sensors 24/24/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 44    Max Repair 125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 0   
Troop Capacity: 5 Battalions    Cryogenic Berths 200    Cargo Handling Multiplier 100   

JC40K Commercial Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 40500 tons    Distance 25k km     Squadron Size 1
Class-H2 Commercial MCFD (10)    Power 500    Fuel Use 2.65%    Signature 500    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 350 000 Litres    Range 58.7 billion km   (110 days at full power)

A-Vympel-500-A (4x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
Navigation Radar S-01 MR103-R80 (1)     GPS 3840     Range 103.0m km    Resolution 80
TDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km
EMDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes


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Kuznetsov class Collier    18 000 tons     341 Crew     6370.25 BP      TCS 360  TH 504  EM 0
8750 km/s    JR 3-50     Armour 4-61     Shields 0-0     Sensors 24/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 11     PPV 10.88
Maint Life 1.62 Years     MSP 2433    AFR 235%    IFR 3.3%    1YR 1087    5YR 16306    Max Repair 720 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 5   
Magazine 3008   

J18000(3-50) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 18000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3
Class-Makarov Military MCFD-2063/80 (7)    Power 450    Fuel Use 62.6%    Signature 72    Exp 18%
Fuel Capacity 2 550 000 Litres    Range 40.7 billion km   (53 days at full power)

Quad 50mm Gauss Cannon Turret (4x20)    Range 50 000km     TS: 40000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 5    ROF 5        1 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0
Point-Defence targeting system R60K-TS40K (1)    Max Range: 120 000 km   TS: 40000 km/s     92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17

Early warning system II (1)     GPS 144     Range 34.6m km    Resolution 1
TDS 1-24 (1)     Sensitivity 24     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  24m km

ECM 30

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes


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Skory class Tanker    47 000 tons     256 Crew     2804 BP      TCS 940  TH 5000  EM 0
5319 km/s    JR 1-25(C)     Armour 3-116     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 37    Max Repair 125 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 0   

JC47K Commercial Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 47000 tons    Distance 25k km     Squadron Size 1
Class-H2 Commercial MCFD (10)    Power 500    Fuel Use 2.65%    Signature 500    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 20 250 000 Litres    Range 2926.5 billion km   (6367 days at full power)

A-Vympel-500-A (4x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 40000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes


[Marski (OP)]

I'm not sure how effective the quad 0.50 gauss cannons will be against missiles, they have equal tracking speed with CIWS, but they have longer range and higher rate of fire (CIWS rounds per 5 seconds: 10. Quad 50mm: 20), and weights a whole lot less too. I'm hoping that the weight of fire is sufficient. The corvette, scout frigate, dropships and fighters are battle-proven designs and have so far performed excellently in about six different battles against a lower tech xeno civilization.

[Jorgen_CAB]

If you mean 50% size reduction on your Gauss cannons then I use them on my PD turrets all the time. With enough Tracking bonus and crew grade I can sometimes get above 50% hit ratio with those guns. This means they are more effective than larger Gauss cannons.

Otherwise, larger Gauss cannons are slightly more efficient against small salvoes while the smaller Gauss cannon are better against larger salvoes.

If you compare performance between CIWS and regular Gauss they would have the same performance given you selected normal fire distance and 4x tracking speed with your fire control. CIWS is slightly lighter than a combined turret and fire control. I think you need four CIWS to get about the same weight to shot ratio as you would from two quad turrets and a fire control. Though, the turret can only track one incoming salvo whilst the CIWS can engage four but the turret can protect other ships in a TG the CIWS can't.

I think that is my experience so far.

I extensively use CIWS systems on my bigger ships that I plan to run alone with smaller escorts. I place turrets on my smaller escorts. I could also place ECM on the escorts but not on the big ship to force the enemy to start shooting at the big ship first. I don't want my much more frail escorts attacked if I can prevent it, the big ships can usually take it pretty well.

In my current game I have just set up one faction who is completely relying on Gauss weapons for PD and only use missiles for offensive action. Their heavy cruiser have six CIWS with 36 total number of shots at 50%. It is escorted by three escort frigates that each has two tripple turrets and a FC for 18 total shots each. This is a total of 90 shots if the attack is directed against the cruiser at 50% efficiency. With tracking bonuses and decent crew grade (the faction start with 10% grade bonus) the weapons efficiency is very close to 50% even at game start against most offensive ASM that has a speed around 20000km/s. This means that this small group can easily fend of about 30-40 missiles per turn without breaking a sweat. The cruiser also has a 90 point shield as well as well as 10 layers of armour (this is a 28000 ton cruiser). So, penetrating their defences will take a well coordinated attack to pull of.

The above cannon would have a 50% standard to hit and against a 20000km/s at 12000km/s tracking speed a penalty of 40% modified to 20% with the tracking bonus tech. With a crew grade of 10% it lands on 44%, grade 20% at 48% and grade 30% at 52%. It is then also modified with the to hit chance of the fire control which of course depend on your beam range tech.
If you want to rely on gauss PD then I have found out that the missile tracking bonus tech are very important to get decent to hit ratios for them.

[Marski (OP)]

Oh that is very good to know and will come in handy. I have enought well developed tracking, beam firecontrol, and active radar technologies that I can put four Quad 50mm turret and their firecontrol and still weight 50 tons less than two CIWS. I have rarely used gauss weapons for point defence, lacking experience I wasn't sure should I expand my use of them.

[Jorgen_CAB]

Is that even possible to get that many quad turrets for just two CIWS systems?

They use the same tech for size reduction so it is kind of strange. In my game a CIWS system weighs in at 7.6HS a piece while a single Gauss turret with 50mm Gauss cannons weighs a whooping 15.24 HS not counting the FC at 4 HS. So four CIWS is 30.4 HS while two quad turrets and an FC is 34.48 HS.

When relying on the gauss PD then the speed of the missiles might actually be less of a problem than armour once you get your tracking bonus to 60% or 80%. If you can manage to track the missiles long enough that is.

Another bonus of the CIWS is that its fire-control is simplified and is always at 100%. At least I think I have read that some place here.

[Marski (OP)]

See for yourself;



I think it's because the speed rating tech is at 10,000 km/s, which increases weight of CIWS

[Jorgen_CAB]

Well, I didn't actually doubt you... I just wondered how that is. 

One thing that I have noticed when I create a CIWS system is that the "Turret tracking gear size" techs don't seem to effect the CIWS at all or it actually increase its weight. I'm inclined to believe there is a bug there or something. I think I'm going to experiment with that now and see why this is.

Logically the CIWS should scale with the turret technology in the same way a pure turret will.

[Marski (OP)]

Well, I didn't actually doubt you... I just wondered how that is. 

One thing that I have noticed when I create a CIWS system is that the "Turret tracking gear size" techs don't seem to effect the CIWS at all or it actually increase its weight. I'm inclined to believe there is a bug there or something. I think I'm going to experiment with that now and see why this is.

Logically the CIWS should scale with the turret technology in the same way a pure turret will.

I always assumed it was because of the increase of more sophisticated parts and gears for more precise movement of the CIWS.

[Jorgen_CAB]

No, it should lower the weight of the CIWS system since the turret rotational gear should always match the fire control speed tech. At least according to this post by Steve...

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php/topic,1691.0.html

[Jorgen_CAB]

On another note... are your Gauss cannon 50% size?
You have four turrets at 10 HS. A 50% gauss cannon is 3HS in size just by itself, so something seems odd to me?

I can't get the size of my turret down to more than slightly above 12 HS for a Quad cannon no matter what turret gear tech I put on it.

[Marski (OP)]

No, it should lower the weight of the CIWS system since the turret rotational gear should always match the fire control speed tech. At least according to this post by Steve...

http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php/topic,1691.0.html

Well I am running version 6.1 so it must be a bug/glitch.

On another note... are your Gauss cannon 50% size?
You have four turrets at 10 HS. A 50% gauss cannon is 3HS in size just by itself, so something seems odd to me?

I can't get the size of my turret down to more than slightly above 12 HS for a Quad cannon no matter what turret gear tech I put on it.

Yes the 50mm turrets are using size 0.50 gauss cannons, I named them like that because I like to imagine that 1HS = 100mm, and following that logic 0.50HS = 50mm

[Jorgen_CAB]

Ok, now I get it... you talk about HS and I talk about % size of a normal gauss cannon.

A 0.5HS Gauss cannon is 8% of a normal Gauss cannon which means it has a base efficiency hit rate at 8% while a normal Gauss cannon has 100% hit efficiency. You can put in twelve 8% cannon for each regular 6HS size Gauss cannon. Though if they both fire at a target the bigger cannon are more efficient at a lower number of targets (equal or lower than its number of shots) while many less efficient shots is better at wearing down income volumes that are greater then your fire rate.

I also checked that CIWS was reduced in size with better gearing and it is, so there is no bug there.

[Marski (OP)]

Whoops, my bad. I meant Firecontrol speed rating, that increases weight while the rest decreases it.

[Jorgen_CAB]

It's not actually the FC in the CIWS that increase the weight, it is the turret gear associated with that fire control speed that is increased. At least that is how I understand it.

[Marski (OP)]

In a strange coincidence, my Kirov design is only 800 tons heavier than real-life Kirov Battlecruiser. My design almost has the equal amount of weapons too, odd. Didn't even check the wikipedia article before designing the ship in Aurora.



I'd like to imagine this re-designed in space, not in the silly "naval ships in spaaace" fashion, but in somewhat realistic. Equal distritubion of weight, 4 quad 50mm turrets on top and bottom, same goes for missile tubes.