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[ChildServices (OP)]

post yer battle lines lads

[AL]

I know some will (very vocally in some cases) disagree with my choices, but my "battle-line" of choice is pretty much:

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Vindicator class Cruiser    1 000 000 tons     12977 Crew     104975.5999 BP      TCS 20000  TH 75000  EM 60000
3750 km/s    JR 2-25(C)     Armour 12-890     Shields 2000-300     Sensors 180/320/2/2     Damage Control Rating 300     PPV 1250
Maint Life 0.07 Years     MSP 18122    AFR 40000%    IFR 555.6%    1YR 250896    5YR 3763442    Max Repair 4457 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Flight Crew Berths 675   
Flag Bridge    Hangar Deck Capacity 50000 tons     Troop Capacity: 2 Battalions    Magazine 30000    Cryogenic Berths 10000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 50   
Recreational Facilities
Fuel Harvester: 5 modules producing 250000 litres per annum

Trinity Hyperspace Core C-1.035m     Max Ship Size 1035000 tons    Distance 25k km     Squadron Size 2
Hydrani P-Fusion Commercial Sublight Drive (150)    Power 500    Fuel Use 2.65%    Signature 500    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 52 520 000 Litres    Range 356.7 billion km   (1101 days at full power)
Xantheon Reactive Armour (400)   Total Fuel Cost  6 000 Litres per hour  (144 000 per day)

Hydrani-Pattern Shield System (50x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
200mm Flechette Cannon (50x4)    Range 320 000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 36-6     RM 6    ROF 30        12 12 12 12 12 12 10 9 8 7
Clayton Long-Range Fire Control (10)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Tokamak Fusion Core (5)     Total Power Output 320    Armour 0    Exp 5%

150mm Auto-Cannon Mk.II (200)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Standard Torpedo Bay (100)    Missile Size 10    Rate of Fire 250
Cannon Control Centre Mk.III (20)     Range 17.8m km    Resolution 15
King-Lowe Torpedo Guidance Centre (10)     Range 756.0m km    Resolution 100
150mm "Striker" Shell (2000)  Speed: 28 800 km/s   End: 4.8m    Range: 8.2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 297/178/89
150mm "Cleanser" Shell (1000)  Speed: 24 000 km/s   End: 13.3m    Range: 19.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 80/48/24
"Perdiot" Torpedo (500)  Speed: 9 600 km/s   End: 1315.5m    Range: 762.7m km   WH: 4    Size: 10    TH: 32/19/9
"Stalker" Torpedo (500)  Speed: 12 800 km/s   End: 1007.2m    Range: 781.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 10    TH: 42/25/12
150mm "Eraser" Shell (17000)  Speed: 48 000 km/s   End: 5.7m    Range: 16.5m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 288/172/86

Savant Inc Ship Detection Sensor (1)     GPS 24000     Range 768.0m km    Resolution 100
Savant Inc Missile Detection Sensor (1)     GPS 240     Range 76.8m km    MCR 8.4m km    Resolution 1
Talbot SR Scanner Mk.II (1)     GPS 48     Range 15.4m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1
Savant Inc Missile Detection Net (1)     GPS 480     Range 153.6m km    MCR 16.7m km    Resolution 1
Savant Inc Ship Detection Net (1)     GPS 48000     Range 1 536.0m km    Resolution 100
Thermal Sensor TH10-180 (1)     Sensitivity 180     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  180m km
EM Detection Sensor EM10-320 (1)     Sensitivity 320     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  320m km
Improved Gravitational Sensors (1)   2 Survey Points Per Hour
Improved Geological Sensors (1)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

ECCM-4 (10)         ECM 40

Strike Group
60x Corsair II Fighter-bomber   Speed: 19200 km/s    Size: 5
50x Lynx Fighter   Speed: 19200 km/s    Size: 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposesEscorts optional, just one of these fat boys and whatever fits inside the hangar bays. Should note that maintenance was off in this game.

[ChildServices (OP)]

Holy crap that's a big ship. The Orions in my fleet are only 100KT and I thought even that was pushing sensibility a little.

Those missiles really need to be faster, but I guess it really doesn't matter how fast size 1 missiles are because their target doesn't see them until it's too late anyway.

[AL]

Thought they were decently fast considering my engine tech in that game was actually only around the magneto-plasma era. But yeah, unfortunately that game died so I didn't get to expand the sizes any further.

[ChildServices (OP)]

Thought they were decently fast considering my engine tech in that game was actually only around the magneto-plasma era. But yeah, unfortunately that game died so I didn't get to expand the sizes any further.

Really? The missiles on my fleet at mag-plas as well and they're all 72000km/s. Did you have all of the engine power techs though?

[AL]

Pretty sure I had the multiplier tech, but I think the difference here is either you're looking at the really outdated ammo I tacked on just to get rid of it, or the newer missiles which traded off some engine space (and hence speed) for that WH4.

[Herodotus4]

Meanwhile I think that ships over 20k tons are pointless because you can mass produce 6-7k ton missile destroyers pretty well.

[Iranon]

There are valid preferences for varied approaches... but 72k, really?
I've been very happy with magneto-plasma missiles that only travel at a leisurely 16k, and I doubt I'd usually want more than 40k.

[ChildServices (OP)]

None of my volleys have missed yet and even my AMMs routinely punch in hit chances greater than 100%. I've got .2 fuel efficiency tech though, so the x6 power multiplier doesn't sound as bad as you think.

Honestly, I'm mostly just sick of watching my missiles go nowhere during game slowdown caused by the enemy trying to Macross me.

[Borealis4x]

I know some will (very vocally in some cases) disagree with my choices, but my "battle-line" of choice is pretty much:

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Vindicator class Cruiser    1 000 000 tons     12977 Crew     104975.5999 BP      TCS 20000  TH 75000  EM 60000
3750 km/s    JR 2-25(C)     Armour 12-890     Shields 2000-300     Sensors 180/320/2/2     Damage Control Rating 300     PPV 1250
Maint Life 0.07 Years     MSP 18122    AFR 40000%    IFR 555.6%    1YR 250896    5YR 3763442    Max Repair 4457 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Flight Crew Berths 675   
Flag Bridge    Hangar Deck Capacity 50000 tons     Troop Capacity: 2 Battalions    Magazine 30000    Cryogenic Berths 10000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 50   
Recreational Facilities
Fuel Harvester: 5 modules producing 250000 litres per annum

Trinity Hyperspace Core C-1.035m     Max Ship Size 1035000 tons    Distance 25k km     Squadron Size 2
Hydrani P-Fusion Commercial Sublight Drive (150)    Power 500    Fuel Use 2.65%    Signature 500    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 52 520 000 Litres    Range 356.7 billion km   (1101 days at full power)
Xantheon Reactive Armour (400)   Total Fuel Cost  6 000 Litres per hour  (144 000 per day)

Hydrani-Pattern Shield System (50x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
200mm Flechette Cannon (50x4)    Range 320 000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 36-6     RM 6    ROF 30        12 12 12 12 12 12 10 9 8 7
Clayton Long-Range Fire Control (10)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Tokamak Fusion Core (5)     Total Power Output 320    Armour 0    Exp 5%

150mm Auto-Cannon Mk.II (200)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Standard Torpedo Bay (100)    Missile Size 10    Rate of Fire 250
Cannon Control Centre Mk.III (20)     Range 17.8m km    Resolution 15
King-Lowe Torpedo Guidance Centre (10)     Range 756.0m km    Resolution 100
150mm "Striker" Shell (2000)  Speed: 28 800 km/s   End: 4.8m    Range: 8.2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 297/178/89
150mm "Cleanser" Shell (1000)  Speed: 24 000 km/s   End: 13.3m    Range: 19.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 80/48/24
"Perdiot" Torpedo (500)  Speed: 9 600 km/s   End: 1315.5m    Range: 762.7m km   WH: 4    Size: 10    TH: 32/19/9
"Stalker" Torpedo (500)  Speed: 12 800 km/s   End: 1007.2m    Range: 781.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 10    TH: 42/25/12
150mm "Eraser" Shell (17000)  Speed: 48 000 km/s   End: 5.7m    Range: 16.5m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 288/172/86

Savant Inc Ship Detection Sensor (1)     GPS 24000     Range 768.0m km    Resolution 100
Savant Inc Missile Detection Sensor (1)     GPS 240     Range 76.8m km    MCR 8.4m km    Resolution 1
Talbot SR Scanner Mk.II (1)     GPS 48     Range 15.4m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1
Savant Inc Missile Detection Net (1)     GPS 480     Range 153.6m km    MCR 16.7m km    Resolution 1
Savant Inc Ship Detection Net (1)     GPS 48000     Range 1 536.0m km    Resolution 100
Thermal Sensor TH10-180 (1)     Sensitivity 180     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  180m km
EM Detection Sensor EM10-320 (1)     Sensitivity 320     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  320m km
Improved Gravitational Sensors (1)   2 Survey Points Per Hour
Improved Geological Sensors (1)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

ECCM-4 (10)         ECM 40

Strike Group
60x Corsair II Fighter-bomber   Speed: 19200 km/s    Size: 5
50x Lynx Fighter   Speed: 19200 km/s    Size: 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposesEscorts optional, just one of these fat boys and whatever fits inside the hangar bays. Should note that maintenance was off in this game.

Why so many fire controls? Why the survey scanners and EM sensor (pretty sure EM passives are built into actives). I'm not asking to criticize just to understand, I heard that in the case of say point defense it was important to have multiple fire controls so they can engages multiple salvos. Speaking of, what is your point defense supposed to be?  Also, interesting that you made missiles stand in as standard cannons.

[ChildServices (OP)]

I don't really see where the issue is. I have the same ratio of FC:Guns of roughly 1 FC for every 10 launchers on this ship here.
The "Phase II" fire controls are a bit useless, I have no idea why I wasted RP on designing them and hull space on adding them to this ship. Ignore those. Seriously all they do is balloon out my uridium consumption I need to fix this big time for the next phase of fleet designs.

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Fenris class Escort Cruiser    25,000 tons     669 Crew     9798.6 BP      TCS 500  TH 1500  EM 0
6000 km/s    JR 5-100     Armour 10-76     Shields 0-0     Sensors 120/120/0/0     Damage Control Rating 28     PPV 100
Maint Life 4.08 Years     MSP 6859    AFR 178%    IFR 2.5%    1YR 659    5YR 9881    Max Repair 900 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 36 months    Spare Berths 0   
Magazine 760   

GTC Atlas J25000(5-100) Military Jump Drive     Max Ship Size 25000 tons    Distance 100k km     Squadron Size 5
Vishnevsky Space & Security 1000 EP Magneto-plasma Drive (3)    Power 1000    Fuel Use 17.47%    Signature 500    Exp 12%
Fuel Capacity 1,875,000 Litres    Range 77.3 billion km   (149 days at full power)

Kurz & Wecker Size 6 Missile Launcher (50% Reduction) (20)    Missile Size 6    Rate of Fire 115
Kurz & Wecker Size 1 Missile Launcher (50% Reduction) (80)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 20
Phase II Missile Fire Control FC86-R100 (50%) (4)     Range 86.4m km    Resolution 100
Phase I Missile Fire Control FC129-R100 (50%) (4)     Range 129.6m km    Resolution 100
AMM Missile Fire Control FC129-R1 (50%) (8)     Range 129.6m km    Resolution 1
Sandpaper Mk3 (280)  Speed: 72,000 km/s   End: 3.2m    Range: 14m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 792/475/237
Interceptor 269B (20)  Speed: 72,000 km/s   End: 13.9m    Range: 60m km   WH: 4    Size: 6    TH: 864/518/259
Sunfire B (20)  Speed: 72,000 km/s   End: 10.4m    Range: 45m km   WH: 9    Size: 6    TH: 624/374/187
Phoenix II (40)  Speed: 72,000 km/s   End: 6.9m    Range: 30m km   WH: 16    Size: 6    TH: 288/172/86

Fenris Large Active Search Sensor MR720-R100 (50%) (1)     GPS 30000     Range 720.0m km    Resolution 100
Fenris Small Active Search Sensor MR321-R20 (50%) (1)     GPS 6000     Range 322.0m km    Resolution 20
AMM Active Search Sensor MR144-R1 (50%) (1)     GPS 600     Range 144.0m km    MCR 15.7m km    Resolution 1
Bazargan  Electronics Thermal Sensor TH5-120 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  120m km
Bazargan  Electronics EM Detection Sensor EM5-120 (50%) (1)     Sensitivity 120     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  120m km

[Borealis4x]

How do you array your fleets into as exact a position as that?

And could you take us through the makeup of these various groups? You don't have to post all your ship designs, just give a general sense. For instance, do all your groups have comand ships or are those unnecessary as long as their is one in a group close by?

[ChildServices (OP)]

It's just an interlocking matrix of escort orders, nothing too fancy or too complicated. Two of the battle line groups escort each of the main carriers (the fleets labelled TADL), and then the two carriers on the outside have an escort order that places them out to the sides of the Von Brandstetter. The threat axis on all escorting ships isset to the enemy homeworld so that the formation always faces the enemy. Make sure the ships that're doing the "escorting" are faster than what they're keeping pace with, otherwise the formation won't stick together.

To be honest though, I'm doubting the effectiveness of it, especially where point defence is concerned. I'm relying on AMM at the moment (Gen 3 will use beams), so if the AI was intelligent all they'd have to do is focus fire on one part of the line at a time in order to beat it. Of course, that's assuming I don't notice them doing it and react by deploying the PD gunships from the carriers to augment the section under fire. I might start a thread in the tactics subforum about this.

[MarcAFK]

A battle line may be inefficient, but it looks swanky.

[GodEmperor]

I know some will (very vocally in some cases) disagree with my choices, but my "battle-line" of choice is pretty much:

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Vindicator class Cruiser    1 000 000 tons     12977 Crew     104975.5999 BP      TCS 20000  TH 75000  EM 60000
3750 km/s    JR 2-25(C)     Armour 12-890     Shields 2000-300     Sensors 180/320/2/2     Damage Control Rating 300     PPV 1250
Maint Life 0.07 Years     MSP 18122    AFR 40000%    IFR 555.6%    1YR 250896    5YR 3763442    Max Repair 4457 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Flight Crew Berths 675   
Flag Bridge    Hangar Deck Capacity 50000 tons     Troop Capacity: 2 Battalions    Magazine 30000    Cryogenic Berths 10000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 50   
Recreational Facilities
Fuel Harvester: 5 modules producing 250000 litres per annum

Trinity Hyperspace Core C-1.035m     Max Ship Size 1035000 tons    Distance 25k km     Squadron Size 2
Hydrani P-Fusion Commercial Sublight Drive (150)    Power 500    Fuel Use 2.65%    Signature 500    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 52 520 000 Litres    Range 356.7 billion km   (1101 days at full power)
Xantheon Reactive Armour (400)   Total Fuel Cost  6 000 Litres per hour  (144 000 per day)

Hydrani-Pattern Shield System (50x10)    Range 1000 km     TS: 32000 km/s     ROF 5       Base 50% To Hit
200mm Flechette Cannon (50x4)    Range 320 000km     TS: 8000 km/s     Power 36-6     RM 6    ROF 30        12 12 12 12 12 12 10 9 8 7
Clayton Long-Range Fire Control (10)    Max Range: 320 000 km   TS: 5000 km/s     97 94 91 88 84 81 78 75 72 69
Tokamak Fusion Core (5)     Total Power Output 320    Armour 0    Exp 5%

150mm Auto-Cannon Mk.II (200)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 5
Standard Torpedo Bay (100)    Missile Size 10    Rate of Fire 250
Cannon Control Centre Mk.III (20)     Range 17.8m km    Resolution 15
King-Lowe Torpedo Guidance Centre (10)     Range 756.0m km    Resolution 100
150mm "Striker" Shell (2000)  Speed: 28 800 km/s   End: 4.8m    Range: 8.2m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 297/178/89
150mm "Cleanser" Shell (1000)  Speed: 24 000 km/s   End: 13.3m    Range: 19.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 80/48/24
"Perdiot" Torpedo (500)  Speed: 9 600 km/s   End: 1315.5m    Range: 762.7m km   WH: 4    Size: 10    TH: 32/19/9
"Stalker" Torpedo (500)  Speed: 12 800 km/s   End: 1007.2m    Range: 781.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 10    TH: 42/25/12
150mm "Eraser" Shell (17000)  Speed: 48 000 km/s   End: 5.7m    Range: 16.5m km   WH: 4    Size: 1    TH: 288/172/86

Savant Inc Ship Detection Sensor (1)     GPS 24000     Range 768.0m km    Resolution 100
Savant Inc Missile Detection Sensor (1)     GPS 240     Range 76.8m km    MCR 8.4m km    Resolution 1
Talbot SR Scanner Mk.II (1)     GPS 48     Range 15.4m km    MCR 1.7m km    Resolution 1
Savant Inc Missile Detection Net (1)     GPS 480     Range 153.6m km    MCR 16.7m km    Resolution 1
Savant Inc Ship Detection Net (1)     GPS 48000     Range 1 536.0m km    Resolution 100
Thermal Sensor TH10-180 (1)     Sensitivity 180     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  180m km
EM Detection Sensor EM10-320 (1)     Sensitivity 320     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  320m km
Improved Gravitational Sensors (1)   2 Survey Points Per Hour
Improved Geological Sensors (1)   2 Survey Points Per Hour

ECCM-4 (10)         ECM 40

Strike Group
60x Corsair II Fighter-bomber   Speed: 19200 km/s    Size: 5
50x Lynx Fighter   Speed: 19200 km/s    Size: 10

Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s

This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposesEscorts optional, just one of these fat boys and whatever fits inside the hangar bays. Should note that maintenance was off in this game.

O.o One has to wonder how much time do you have to spend setting up the infrastructure to properly support this beast...
Why the hell it has sorium extractors, rec facilities and cryo berths ??
And whats up with those slow, small warhead torpedos ?



And as for topic - i dont use them almost 99 % of times. I just stick everyone in one group and detach stuff as i see fit.