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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 10, 2009, 02:20:33 PM »

Quote from: "James Patten"
And the Boston and Lowell RR was chartered to build between Lowell and Boston, both in Massachussetts.  Lowell was a fairly major manufacturing center at the time.

D'OH! Now why did I forget to change the destination when I changed the name?!  :D Good catch!


EDIT: Change made.  



Cheers, Thor
Posted by: James Patten
« on: November 10, 2009, 01:35:30 PM »

And the Boston and Lowell RR was chartered to build between Lowell and Boston, both in Massachussetts.  Lowell was a fairly major manufacturing center at the time.
Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 10, 2009, 01:21:56 PM »

Quote from: "James Patten"
Quote from: "Þórgrímr"
On September 3rd the Boston and Maine Railroad was chartered to build a railroad between Boston, Massachusetts, and Portland, Maine.

The Boston and Lowell RR was chartered first on June 5, 1830, one of the very first railroads in the US.  The Boston and Maine RR proper wasn't charted until 1835.

James, you are quite correct and I will change ASAP! Thanks for the spot!  :D


EDIT: Correction made.



Cheers, Thor
Posted by: James Patten
« on: November 10, 2009, 11:12:53 AM »

Quote from: "Þórgrímr"
On September 3rd the Boston and Maine Railroad was chartered to build a railroad between Boston, Massachusetts, and Portland, Maine.

The Boston and Lowell RR was chartered first on June 5, 1830, one of the very first railroads in the US.  The Boston and Maine RR proper wasn't charted until 1835.
Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 10, 2009, 09:29:33 AM »

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[center:29hok23k]Amsterdam/United Kingdom of the Netherlands

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On October 4th the Provisional Government in Brussels has declared the creation of the independent state of Belgium, in revolt against the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.
Flemish authorities refuse to take orders from the new Belgian government in Brussels.

In response to the declaration by the Provisional Government in Brussels yesterday, today, October 5th, King Willem I has ordered the mobilization of the Dutch army.

On October 17th Major-General David Hendrik, Baron Chassé replaced Prince Frederick II as commander-in-chief of Dutch forces in Belgium.

On October 18th Major-General Chassé was ordered the retreat to the fortified citadel in Antwerp.

Today October 26th, in a surprise move by the Belgian rebels, they occupied an ungarrisoned Antwerp. The Citadel, though, is still occupied by Dutch Major-General Chassé and his 5000 troops.

On October 27th Major-General Chassé began a bombardment of Belgian controlled Antwerp.



[center:29hok23k]London/United Kingdom

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The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom has announced the dispatching of diplomats to the great powers with an invitation to send representitives, in November, to London to discuss the current rebellion in the United Kingdom of the Netherlands.


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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 09, 2009, 02:44:43 PM »

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[center:1sfsdshr]Amsterdam/United Kingdom of the Netherlands

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On September 1st it was reported that representatives of the Estates General in Brussels convinced the crown prince, Willem Frederik George Lodewijk van Oranje-Nassau, that the administrative separation of north (Netherlands) and south (Belgium) would be the best solution for the constitutional problem.

On September 5th a proclamation from the king, Willem Frederik I, called on the Estates General to not support the dissolution of their nation.

Wilhelmina Frederika Louise Charlotte Marianne, Princess of the Netherlands and Princess of Orange-Nassau has today, September 14th, married her first cousin Prince Albert, the fourth son of her mother's brother, Frederick William III of Prussia.

On September 23rd through 26th battles raged all throughout the streets of Brussels as Prince Willem Frederik II attempted to occupy Brussels by force. He was repelled after intense street fighting costed him hundreds of Dutch lives.



[center:1sfsdshr]Washington DC/United States

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On September 9th Charles Durant becomes the first US aeronaut by flying a balloon from Castle Garden, NYC to Perth Amboy, NJ.

On September 16th Oliver Wendell Holmes has published a new poem called Old Ironsides.

On September 18th in a race between the Baltimore and Ohio Railroad's Tom Thumb and a stagecoach near Ellicott's Mills, Maryland, the horse and coach wins.

On September 20th the first Negro Convention of Free Men in Philadelphia has agreed to boycott slave-produced goods and called on all Americans to join in the boycott.



[center:1sfsdshr]Quito/Ecuador

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On September 11th Ecuador is recognized as an independent republic and granted a constitution by Colombia, under which it is to be part of the Confederation of Gran Colombia.



[center:1sfsdshr]London/United Kingdom

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The Government of the United Kingdom announced that the York I has sailed from Sheerness for New South Wales with a cargo of 200 male convicts on September 4th. It is expected to take the ship four months to reach the New South Wales Colony.

On September 15th the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, the world's first purpose built passenger railway operated by steam locomotives, opened in England from Liverpool Road, Manchester, to Edge Hill, Liverpool.

In unfortunate news the first person to be run over by a railroad train was William Huskisson. He was attending the opening ceremonies of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway.

On September 18 Robert Stephenson was appointed to survey the route to be taken by the London and Birmingham Railway.



[center:1sfsdshr]Berlin/Kingdom of Prussia

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It was announced that His Royal Highness, Frederick William II, attended the re-flagging ceremony of two warships recently purchased from England for the Preußische Seehandlung. His Highness enjoyed a show of the sailors skill and commented on the high morale of the fledgling Navy. He then addressed recent graduates of the Royal Prussian Naval Academy, stressing the importance of developing a strong Prussian Navy to protect their maritime interests overseas.



[center:1sfsdshr]Turin/Kingdom of Sardinia-Piedmont

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His Majesty made an appearance today riding through town towards the port with an escort of guards. Shortly there after the Privy council announced that those seeking gainful employment could apply as laberors with Gregerio and Amoruso, a small company that has won bids for improving the dirt paths around our Kingdom. I would not be surprised if a member of the Privy is not receiving monies for this announcement. Never before have I heard a member of our government make such an announcement as to direct the people to a place of private employment!

I find myself partaking of a thought that is not unique at the paper. Why was this announcement done AFTER the King, may god bless his soul, departed for the docks? While my belief is for the thought of his majesty visiting our Island of Sardinia, I cannot be sure of this.

We do find it suspicious in the extreme that His Majesty has withdrawn so utterly from duties that he meticously attended for so many years and that the Privy has become so much more bold in its utterances!

In the end all that I may say it that again do we find Kingdom monies flowing from the Privy to private hands. Private hands of which we know little. Rest assured that these actions will not go unoticed by myself or any other who guards the nobility of our Kingdom!


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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 06, 2009, 03:28:12 PM »

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[center:1pkkdw0o]Paris/France

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On August 9th Louis-Philippe, the Duc d'Orléans, formally accepted the crown of France, following the abdication of Charles X.

On August 11th the first ministry of King Louis-Phillipe's reign in France is formed, comprising a range of moderate and progressive liberals led by Duc de Broglie, Jacques Lafitte, Casimir Périer, and François Guizot.



[center:1pkkdw0o]Washington DC/United States

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Construction began on the Mohawk and Hudson Railroad between Albany and Schenectady, New York.

On August 4th the plans for upgrading Fort Dearborn into a city called Chicago are laid out today.

On August 28th the first locomotive built in the US, "Tom Thumb," makes its initial run from Baltimore to Ellicott's Mills, Maryland.



[center:1pkkdw0o]London/United Kingdom

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The Government of the United Kingdom announced that two ships, the Adrian and the Marquis of Huntlet, have arrived in the Crown Colony of New South Wales with their cargo of 395 male convicts to serve out their sentence for crimes against the Crown. It was also revealed that two ships have sailed for New South Wales. The Florentia sailed from Dublin with a cargo of 200 male convicts on August 8th. The Andromeda II sailed from Cork with their cargo of 181 male convicts. It is expected to take both ships four months to reach the New South Wales Colony.

On the same note it was announced that The Manlius and David Lyon arrived in Van Diemen's Land with their cargo of 417 male convicts. While the Clyde I sailed from Portsmouth on August 30th with their cargo of 216 male convicts bound for Van Diemen's Land. It is expected to take four months to arrive in Van Diemen's Land with their cargo of convicts.

It was reported a threshing machine was destroyed on Saturday night, August 28th, by a large group of farm workers in East Kent.


[center:1pkkdw0o]Amsterdam/United Kingdom of the Netherlands

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It was announced by the Government in Amsterdam that on August 25th, after a performance at the Brussels opera, a riot erupted, which was quickly followed by uprisings elsewhere in the country. Factories were occupied and machinery destroyed. The King declared the rioting an insurrection of Belgian Nationalists against the Dutch Crown in Brussels. But the King expects the insurrection to be quickly crushed.



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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 04, 2009, 03:04:07 PM »

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[center:2map4x2q]Paris/France

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After a three week campaign the city of Algiers falls to the French Armée de la Algériens on July 5th. The battle of Staouéli was the only major battle this reporter observed and it went as follows. The French forces set up in defensive positions as the Algerians and their allies approached. In the first hour of the battle the French artillery was seen to have devastating affect on the attacking forces, destroying one infantry battalion and hitting two more hard enough to cause them to try and flee the battle.

The Algerians continued to close the range and in the second hour the Algerian army managed to get into musket range and the flurry of musket fire began in earnest, with the French infantry having the upper hand. I observed two Algerian infantry battalions and two cavalry squadrons being destroyed by the relentless French musket fire while the rest of the Algerian army was taking horrible casualties as they tried to close within hand to hand range so their melee weapon armed infantry could engage the French forces. Unfortunately for the French Cavalry, the Algerian Janissaries managed to inflict casualties on the French forces. The I/2e Régiment de Cuirassiers took 34 wounded and 10 dead as casualties, while the II/1e Régiment de Chasseurs took 54 wounded and 17 dead.

By the third hour the Algerian artillery was finally in position and began to open fire on the French, inflicting several hits on the French Cavalry. Unfortunately for the Algerians they had not closed in enough to reach the French infantry. The Algerian dead began to pile up in mounds as whole units were wiped out by the devastating volleys of French musket fire. At last count fourteen Algerian infantry battalions were observed disentegrating under French fire. The biggest loss to the Algerians may have been their irreplacable artillery. To be able to fire on the French cavalry they had to position themselves within French musket range, and paid in blood by doing so. Two of the three observed artillery battalions were destroyed by counterbattery and musket fire, while the third was heavily damaged and seen to be falling back in disorder. The Algerian cavalry was hit just as hard with the loss of 11 cavalry squadrons.

The Algerains seemed to have had enough by this time, and were beginning to retreat in disorder while the French Armée de la Algériens once again began the advance towards Algiers in triumph.


On July 25th King Charles X of France issued the three ordinances of St-Cloud. They were issued, according to a statment by the King, to control the press, dissolve the Chamber of Deputies, and have anti-government voters removed from the electoral lists following the victory of the Liberal opposition in the previous elections.


On July 27th Revolutionary action flared up in Paris and other areas of France following the publication of the ordinances of St-Cloud by King Charles X. Parisians began revolting and blockaded the streets today. Among those manning the barricades were army units and former members of the National Guard, disbanded in 1827. Charles the X acted too late in annulling the new ordinances and dismissing Polignac to prevent the outbreak of unrest. Polignac was arrested and condemned to life imprisonment.


On July 31st Charles X abdicated as King of France, following continued opposition to his rule. He will be succeeded by his cousin, Louis-Philippe, the Duc d'Orléans.



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The Government of the United Kingdom announced that one ship, the Lady Feversham, has arrived in the Crown Colony of New South Wales with their cargo of 128 female convicts to serve out their sentence for crimes against the Crown. It was also revealed that three ships have sailed for New South Wales. The Hercules II sailed from Dublin with a cargo of 200 male convicts on July 7th. The Royal Admiral sailed from Portsmouth with their cargo of 193 male convicts. And the Burrell sailed from Plymouth with their cargo of 192 male convicts. It is expected to take all three ships four months to reach the New South Wales Colony.

On the same note it was announced that The Sir Charles Forbes arrived in Van Diemen's Land with their cargo of 160 male convicts. While the Persian sailed from Falmouth with their cargo of 198 male convicts bound for Van Diemen's Land. It is expected to take 4 months to arrive in Van Diemen's Land with their cargo of convicts.

The Admiralty announced today, July 4th, that two ships had been purchased by the Kingdom of Prussia and the others will be broken up and sold as scrap. No further details were given.



[center:2map4x2q]Calcutta/Bengal

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On July 13th The General Assembly's Institution, one of the pioneering institutions that ushered in the Bengal Renaissance, was founded today by Alexander Duff and Raja Ram Mohan Roy, in Calcutta, India.



[center:2map4x2q]Washington DC/United States

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It was announced on July 15th that three Indian tribes, Sioux, Sauk, & Fox, have signed a treaty with the United States ceding to the US most of Minnesota, Iowa, and Missouri.



[center:2map4x2q]Turin/Sardinia-Piedmont

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The Privy Council has announced the King's authorization of continued investments in the future of the Kingdom.

Most notably, this writer found that amongst the extensive list of projects to be initiated was a "Kings Highway", meant to radiate outwards from the Capitol to all points of our mighty kingdom. It is an incredibly expensive edifice of construction requiring truly permanent bridges made of stone and a roadway "meant to be traveled in all forms of weather throughout the year."

While no costs were included with this release, I can only say that stone is expensive, as are the masons to work it correctly. While I have not been exactly quiet about my suspicions about many people of persuasion, this has drawn my attention more than most of the recent spending projects initiated by the Merchants on the Privy Council. I simply can not see our King spending such large sums from an already threadbare treasury without significant persuasion from the Privy council. I can only hope that this will not end in a disaster with precious Kingdom resources wasted upon a mistaken dream or that it goes not to merely line the purses of the Merchants in charge of directing this massive series of projects.

I can only hope that his Majesty the King sees the future with a clear eye. May god bless his soul.



[center:2map4x2q]Athens/Greece

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On July 20th it was announced the provisional Greek government granted all Greeks of Jewish descent citizenship.

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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: November 03, 2009, 07:16:46 PM »

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On June 3rd it was announced that Admiral Duperré assumed command, in Toulon, of an armada consisting of 600 ships and headed for Algiers. It was reported by a source in the French Ministry for War th General de Bourmont, commanding general of the land forces, was using Napoleon's 1808 contingency plan for the invasion of Algeria. General de Bourmont on June 14th landed 27 kilometres (17 mi) west of Algiers, at Sidi Ferruch, with 34,000 soldiers. Our corrospondent attached to the Franch forces reports that General de Bourmont estimates the Bey of Algiers sent 7,000 Janissaries, and about 17,000 Cavalry. It is also suspected that the Bey of Algiers was sent 19,000 infantry with about 17,000 Cavalry from the Beys of Constantine and Oran, the allies of Algiers. Our corrospondent reported that the French established a strong beachhead and pushed towards Algiers, and thanks in part to superior artillery and better organization the French troops defeated the Bey on June 19th during the battle of Staouéli, only losing one hundred while the Algerian casualties were reported to be several thousand.



[center:18tkycp7]London/England

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The Government of the United Kingdom has reported that George IV (George Augustus Frederick) has died on this day and will be succeeded by his brother Prince William, Duke of Clarence, who will reign as William IV. George IV was the king of Hanover and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from the death of his father, George III, on 29 January 1820 until his own death today. From 1811 until his accession, he served as Prince Regent during his father's relapse into insanity from an illness that is suspected to have been porphyria.

George IV is remembered largely for his extravagant lifestyle that contributed to the fashions of the British Regency. By 1797 his weight had reached 17 stone 7 pounds (111 kg or 245 lb). He was a patron of new forms of leisure, style and taste. He commissioned John Nash to build the Royal Pavilion in Brighton and remodel Buckingham Palace, and Sir Jeffry Wyatville to rebuild Windsor Castle. He was largely instrumental in the foundation of the National Gallery, London and King's College London.

The King is dead, long live the King!

In lesser news the Government of the United Kingdom announced that one ship, the Roslin Castle, has arrived in the Crown Colony of New South Wales with their cargo of 128 female convicts to serve out their sentence for crimes against the Crown. It was also revealed that the Forth II sailed from Cork with a cargo of 120 female convicts on June 6th. And the Lord Melville II sailed from Downs with their cargo of 176 male convicts. It is expected to take both ships four months to reach the New South Wales Colony.

On the same note it was announced that three ships set sail with cargoes of convicts bound for Van Diemen's Land. The Mellish sailed from Spithead with 118 females, the Royal George sailed from Portsmouth with 215 males, and the Southworth sailed from Sheerness with 160 males. It is expected to take 4 months to arrive in Van Diemen's Land with their cargoes of convicts.



[center:18tkycp7]Washington DC/United States

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On June 5th the Boston and Lowell Railroad was chartered to build a railroad between Boston and Lowell in Massachusetts.



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The Privy Council has announced new diplomatic initiatives and an intention to continue developing the interior road network in order to permit the greater flow of trade within the kingdom.

This Reporter has noted that the Statements of Direction press releases from the King have dropped precipitiously over the past several months and that the Privy council has been slowly taking over the announcements that the King has traditionally done. I do not know what this means but you can bet that we shall be watching them closely. It is remotely possible that this may be the result of a move by the Merchants to slowly take power from our king. God bless his soul.

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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: October 30, 2009, 06:29:43 PM »

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On May 3rd the  Ceremonial opening of the Canterbury and Whitstable Railway in England was announced. The steam locomotive Invicta was used in the inaugural run.

The Government of the United Kingdom announced that two ships, the Mermaid and the Nithsdale have arrived in the Crown Colony of New South Wales with their cargo of 391 male convicts to serve out their sentence for crimes against the Crown.

It was also revealed that the David Lyon has sailed from Sheerness with a cargo of 220 male convicts on May 2nd. It is expected to take four months to reach the Van Diemen's Land Colony.

On May 18th Edwin Budding of England signed an agreement to manufacture his invention, the lawn mower. Saturdays are destroyed forever.




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On May 13th The government of Gran COlumbia has announced the former province of Ecuador has seperated from Gran Columbia and has formed a new nation called The Republic of Ecuador, with Juan Jose Flores as president.




[center:1m6lxgok]Washington DC/United States

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On May 20th the first railroad timetable is published in a newspaper, the Baltimore American.

On May 22nd The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad announced the completion on the line between Baltimore and Ellicott's Mills, Maryland. They expect trains to begin running in a few days.

On May 24th The Baltimore and Ohio Railroad announced the first revenue trains were operated between Baltimore and Ellicott's Mills, Maryland, a distance of 13 miles (21 km).

On May 28th The United States Congress passed the Indian Removal Act. Allowing U.S. President Andrew Jackson to grant American Indian tribes unsettled western prairie lands in exchange for their settlements within the borders of the existing U.S. states, thereby clearing the way for further white settlement.




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The Foreign Minister for the Kingdom of Sardinia reports that the results of negotiations with England should be known within the next several months. no details were forthcoming.

The Kings's Privy Council announced that they were committed to reducing the numbers of jobless people and have begun the first of several public initiatives to accomplish this.

In other news, the Piedmont Trading Company is pleased to announce the delivery of the first of several trade ships that have been ordered. The various merchant guilds have combined resources to increase the flow of goods throughout the Kingdom. This writer is sure that they have a nefarious plot behind this. Likely to garner additional power for themselves!

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Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: October 30, 2009, 03:04:42 PM »

Quote from: "mavikfelna"
Sorry Thor, didn't mean to imply you were intentionally being biased. I really am enjoying the news.

And yes, Executive Order 44 was a dark day. The fact that it took until 1976 to get it rescinded is probably why a large portion of Utah LDS still don't like Missourians.

The threat of Deseret forming is what prompted the president to send troops to Utah I believe. Their arrival is what prompted Utah to seek statehood instead. I think playing the nation of Desert would be alot of fun, but I don't think it would ever have had a chance to survive. The early failure of trying to develop an iron industry by the saints is more the reason than outside pressure as to why they would fail to develop a lasting nation.

Np my friend. My love of history is so great, to try and bias anything is anathema to me.  :shock:

Yep, in 1847 the Mormons proposed that their territory be admitted to the Union as the State of Deseret, but Congress only went so far as to make it a Territory. And to mollify the local folks Brigham Young was appointed as Territorial Governor. It was when Buchanan tried to remove Young in 1857, over the polygamy issue, that the "Utah War" broke out. But, fortunately, cooler minds prevailed and actual conflict averted.  8)



Cheers, Thor
Posted by: mavikfelna
« on: October 30, 2009, 02:43:25 PM »

Sorry Thor, didn't mean to imply you were intentionally being biased. I really am enjoying the news.

And yes, Executive Order 44 was a dark day. The fact that it took until 1976 to get it rescinded is probably why a large portion of Utah LDS still don't like Missourians.

The threat of Deseret forming is what prompted the president to send troops to Utah I believe. Their arrival is what prompted Utah to seek statehood instead. I think playing the nation of Desert would be alot of fun, but I don't think it would ever have had a chance to survive. The early failure of trying to develop an iron industry by the saints is more the reason than outside pressure as to why they would fail to develop a lasting nation.
Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: October 30, 2009, 02:01:52 PM »

Quote from: "mavikfelna"
:: chuckle::

Just so long as you don't forgot Haun's Mill or the winter scourging of Nauvoo, or the army's depredations of the Utah saints during that time period it's a fair cop. Mountain Meadows was a sad chapter in our history but it was almost inevitable given the nature of what had happened before the fact that among the attackers there were many that believed there were Missouri mobbers among those in the traveling wagon train. I don't know if there's any truth to that belief, and it shouldn't have mattered, but it did and it happened.

I'll leave it at that.

--Mav

Every one of those events you described are in the list. Believe it or not, I just use the events, and do not bias them in any way. That is up to the reader to do.  The main reason I am including the LDS events is that if a player is playing the US, there is a possibility for a Mormon Declaration of nationhood and a nation called Deseret coming into play. now how long it would last... well, who knows. :wink:

On October 27th Missouri Executive Order 44 was issued by Missouri Governor Lilburn Boggs. The Governor stated the order is in response to what he termed "open and avowed defiance of the laws, and of having made war upon the people of this State . The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the State if necessary for the public peace — their outrages are beyond all description." Then a few days later the Haun Mills event happens.



Cheers, Thor
Posted by: mavikfelna
« on: October 30, 2009, 11:23:50 AM »

:: chuckle::

Just so long as you don't forgot Haun's Mill or the winter scourging of Nauvoo, or the army's depredations of the Utah saints during that time period it's a fair cop. Mountain Meadows was a sad chapter in our history but it was almost inevitable given the nature of what had happened before the fact that among the attackers there were many that believed there were Missouri mobbers among those in the traveling wagon train. I don't know if there's any truth to that belief, and it shouldn't have mattered, but it did and it happened.

I'll leave it at that.

--Mav
Posted by: Þórgrímr
« on: October 29, 2009, 02:38:11 PM »

Quote from: "mavikfelna"
:: chuckle:: Being LDS, it's fun to see the church in the news here.

--Mav

Well, keep your eyes peeled, there is a bit more, in time, to do with the LDS, including the Mountain Meadows massacre.  :wink:



Cheers, Thor
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