Aurora 4x

C# Aurora => General Discussion => Topic started by: hadi on April 17, 2020, 01:54:16 PM

Title: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: hadi on April 17, 2020, 01:54:16 PM
Hi guys
I made a quick video of how me and my friend use screen reading software to play aurora.
The C# version is  100% improved compared to the vb6 version regarding screen readers.
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There are unlabeled controls and some issues but we'll start asking for fixes when steve has some free time. I just pointed to one of them here so i can point steve to it later.
Thanks and we love you steve!
edit: This is what happens when you listen to Ser Beardian videos too much, I am unconsciously talking in his aurora tone, get out of my mind serb!
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: Inglonias on April 17, 2020, 02:10:39 PM
Very interesting. I'm amazed at how you can understand a speaker moving that fast.

I wanted to correct you on something, and I suspect you got this wrong because this is how your screen reader says the word. The language you called "C Number" is actually called "C Sharp". This symbol: "#" is used in music to designate a note as sharp, as opposed to flat, and that's what the name is based on.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: hadi on April 17, 2020, 02:12:27 PM
Very interesting. I'm amazed at how you can understand a speaker moving that fast.

I wanted to correct you on something, and I suspect you got this wrong because this is how your screen reader says the word. The language you called "C Number" is actually called "C Sharp". This symbol: "#" is used in music to designate a note as sharp, as opposed to flat, and that's what the name is based on.
Oh yeah true, I knew this one but  i heard C number from my screen reader so much this week i absolutely forgot about it
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: DFNewb on April 17, 2020, 02:14:10 PM
Random question:

Did you slow down your screen reader just to make the video? :)
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: hadi on April 17, 2020, 02:15:36 PM
Random question:

Did you slow down your screen reader just to make the video? :)
Oh yeah i did it before start recording to make sure it is understandable.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: snapto on April 17, 2020, 02:24:27 PM
Thank you for this! I have seen some of your bug posts and wondered how it all worked. Very interesting. I'm glad you can experience the glory that is Aurora!
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: Bughunter on April 17, 2020, 02:37:10 PM
I was always intrigued by how anyone could play this game without seeing, couldn't imagine how it was possible. So interesting to see this.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: Veneke on April 17, 2020, 02:43:49 PM
This is fascinating and awesome. Thanks for sharing.
 
I've a, probably daft, question for you though - when you first load everything up, how do you know where things are? Do you just keep moving around listening to the screen reader until you build up a kind of mental map or...?
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: hadi on April 17, 2020, 02:45:52 PM
This is fascinating and awesome. Thanks for sharing.
 
I've a, probably daft, question for you though - when you first load everything up, how do you know where things are? Do you just keep moving around listening to the screen reader until you build up a kind of mental map or...?
Exactly.
I don't know how to do ship or ground combat yet. means that i have lots of things to learn both about mechanics and also where things are and where they're placed in the tab order.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: vorpal+5 on April 17, 2020, 03:19:47 PM
You must have developed a fantastic memory, right? I'm a bit mind blown by how you manage the complexity of Aurora without seeing the screen. Congrats and deep respect.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: Kyle on April 17, 2020, 08:21:46 PM
That video.. was actually fascinating.  And when you got to 7:15 where you speed it up to how you listen, my mind was blown.  Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: MarcAFK on April 17, 2020, 08:35:07 PM
I'm thinking of a few other things that would help immensely. F Shortcuts to open specific window, keyboard shortcuts for various things within those windows, and Abbreviated Labels, so you don't need to have the reader running a billion miles an hour.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: Ironclad Mouse on April 17, 2020, 08:38:49 PM
This was really interesting to watch, thank you for sharing!
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: Caplin on April 17, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
I'm thinking of a few other things that would help immensely. F Shortcuts to open specific window, keyboard shortcuts for various things within those windows, and Abbreviated Labels, so you don't need to have the reader running a billion miles an hour.
If there is one thing I miss from the previous version, it is definitely those function key shortcuts. I keep reflexively wanting to reach for, say, F7, and coming up short when I realize it isn’t available yet :-)
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: hadi on April 17, 2020, 10:47:35 PM
I'm thinking of a few other things that would help immensely. F Shortcuts to open specific window, keyboard shortcuts for various things within those windows, and Abbreviated Labels, so you don't need to have the reader running a billion miles an hour.
Good observation, cause i did not try demonstrating creating queues or editing them but as you imagine there's lots of tabbing around when doing so, so shortcuts within windows would help!
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: MarcAFK on April 17, 2020, 11:06:20 PM
I used to play dwarf fortress, and the interface for that was entirely keyboard based, at least for input, so I learned a lot which I think would definitely apply for sceen reading.
Title: Re: Quick video on how we play Aurora as a blind person. Thanks steve!
Post by: rato on April 18, 2020, 10:50:01 AM
i just realized that you are able to "see" more details than what appears in the screen, some values are rounded to only a few significant digits but your screen reader reads all the digits.