Aurora 4x
C# Aurora => General Discussion => Topic started by: vorpal+5 on May 11, 2020, 01:21:33 PM
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What is the simplest method to refuel another fleet (which was not moving, so my issue was not that I lacked 'underway replenishment')?
I tried several orders, and none worked. It seems there is no 'refuel target fleet' order. Even 'join and refuel target fleet' did not work.
In the end, I had to manually merge the 2 fleets, then going to the Ship Overview tab, I specified 'Refuel own fleet'. And at last, the stranded ship was refueled!
Additional question, in VB6 you could specify exactly how much you transferred by typing the number, for ships within the same fleet. Will it return?
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It may seem a little strange, but the simplest way I found is to go to the fleet that needs fuel, target the fleet with the fuel (must have a ship equiped with refuelling gear), and select the option "Refuel from Stationary Tankers. " If the fleet that needs fuel is dry, you can have the tanker fleet target them and move to them, then do the sequence above. This is also the same command I use to pull fuel from Sorium Harvester bases into my tankers.
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Indeed, a bit convoluted but I reckon it would work, as you work around the absence of the "Refuel Target Fleet" order. There is a "Join and Refuel Target Fleet", so I wonder how Steve manages refuelling ...
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It seems obvious to me that he uses fetch orders rather than delivery orders -- that is, orders to fleets that need fuel to go and get it, rather than orders to fleets that have fuel to drop it off.
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The simplest way is to configure the tanker fleet so it always refuel the fleet it is with. Select the ship in the "Fleet View" window and in the "Ship Design Display" tab you find a drop down menu... set this to "Refuel Own Fleet".
Now order the Tanker fleet to join the target fleet as a Sub-fleet... when the refuelling is done you need to detach it.
It is not the best as you will have to manually then detach it and have the tankers move elsewhere, but that is how we need to do it for now.
I presume Steves thought was that underway replenishment of fleets would not happen so frequently that joining it as a Sub-fleet was a pretty good way to control the situation as you probably would never automate anything like that.
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I always use tanker command "join&refuel". It joins and produces a completed orders event with interrupt. After that point tanker which is now part of thr fleet with fuel shortage, starts to pump fuel according to race refuelling tech and equipment to the fleet's other ships. It continuosly does that as long as you don't detach it.
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I'm sitting here trying to refuel a ship with a ship that has refueling capability but there are no options to "equalize fuel" or join and refuel or pretty much any of the commands that were listed in this thread. What am I missing here?
Both ships are now in the same fleet. Can anyone post instructions that are explicit and exactly how the game shows them? Thanks!
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I'm sitting here trying to refuel a ship with a ship that has refueling capability but there are no options to "equalize fuel" or join and refuel or pretty much any of the commands that were listed in this thread. What am I missing here?
Both ships are now in the same fleet. Can anyone post instructions that are explicit and exactly how the game shows them? Thanks!
There are two ways to refuel a fleet using a tanker. One requires merging fleets, the other requires remaining separate fleets.
In-transit refuelling, where the tanker joins the fleet:
In this mode, under the tanker's Ship Design Display tab there is a dropdown box. Set it to Refuel Own Fleet. 'Join and Refuel' should have set this option for you.
If you haven't researched Underway Replenishment then you will need to clear the fleet's movement orders and then wait for refuelling to complete.
If you have researched Underway Replenishment then the tanker will refuel the other ships even if the fleet is doing something else.
This mode does not give any message when refuelling is complete
Refuel from Stationary Tanker:
Position the tanker where the other fleet can reach it and make sure that its movement order list is empty.
-If the target fleet is out of fuel, moving to the same location is sufficient, even in deep space.
Order the other fleet to Refuel from Stationary Tanker.
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Refuel from Stationary Tanker:
Position the tanker where the other fleet can reach it and make sure that its movement order list is empty.
-If the target fleet is out of fuel, moving to the same location is sufficient, even in deep space.
Order the other fleet to Refuel from Stationary Tanker.
And there's a problem, where is that "Refuel from Stationary Tanker" order? I don't see it under Movement orders or Standing orders for the fleet.
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Refuel from Stationary Tanker:
Position the tanker where the other fleet can reach it and make sure that its movement order list is empty.
-If the target fleet is out of fuel, moving to the same location is sufficient, even in deep space.
Order the other fleet to Refuel from Stationary Tanker.
And there's a problem, where is that "Refuel from Stationary Tanker" order? I don't see it under Movement orders or Standing orders for the fleet.
Refuel From Stationary Tanker is a movement order. It only appears if the tanker is in a separate fleet and has no orders. To get to it, select the receiving fleet in the fleets list, then check the 'Fleets' option under Movement Orders, and then select the tanker's fleet from the locations list.
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I appreciate the help but for some reason it's just not there. One picture shows the ship that's the "fuel tanker" hopefully it shows that it's actually ready to be used. The other photo shows the orders of the ship that needs to be refueled.
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I appreciate the help but for some reason it's just not there. One picture shows the ship that's the "fuel tanker" hopefully it shows that it's actually ready to be used. The other photo shows the orders of the ship that needs to be refueled.
Most likely the cause is that your tanker design does not have the tickbox for tanker turned on.
In the class design window, select your tanker and look for the tickbox on the right.
You probably need to close and re-open the fleet window before the re-fuel order will appear.
(The minimum fuel setting it gives you an alert about is in the Miscellaneous tab in case you want to change it)
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That was it. Thank you both very much for the help.
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That was it. Thank you both very much for the help.
Just for pendantry also double check that your tanker has a refueling system installed. I always forget this and it annoys me to no end.
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That was it. Thank you both very much for the help.
Just for pendantry also double check that your tanker has a refueling system installed. I always forget this and it annoys me to no end.
That did take some getting used to.
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In-transit refuelling, where the tanker joins the fleet:
In this mode, under the tanker's Ship Design Display tab there is a dropdown box. Set it to Refuel Own Fleet. 'Join and Refuel' should have set this option for you.
If you haven't researched Underway Replenishment then you will need to clear the fleet's movement orders and then wait for refuelling to complete.
If you have researched Underway Replenishment then the tanker will refuel the other ships even if the fleet is doing something else.
This mode does not give any message when refuelling is complete
I tried doing this (I manually assigned the ship to the fleet and set the drop down) but my ships are stranded with no fuel. I do have the tanker set as tanker and researched underway replenishment and all, he will refuel the fleet if I clear the movement order but I must be missing something.
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In-transit refuelling, where the tanker joins the fleet:
In this mode, under the tanker's Ship Design Display tab there is a dropdown box. Set it to Refuel Own Fleet. 'Join and Refuel' should have set this option for you.
If you haven't researched Underway Replenishment then you will need to clear the fleet's movement orders and then wait for refuelling to complete.
If you have researched Underway Replenishment then the tanker will refuel the other ships even if the fleet is doing something else.
This mode does not give any message when refuelling is complete
I tried doing this (I manually assigned the ship to the fleet and set the drop down) but my ships are stranded with no fuel. I do have the tanker set as tanker and researched underway replenishment and all, he will refuel the fleet if I clear the movement order but I must be missing something.
It is possible that being out of fuel is the problem, which smells like a bug, or that another bug is in play. If you can produce a test-case then I would suggest posting it in the bugs thread.
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In-transit refuelling, where the tanker joins the fleet:
In this mode, under the tanker's Ship Design Display tab there is a dropdown box. Set it to Refuel Own Fleet. 'Join and Refuel' should have set this option for you.
If you haven't researched Underway Replenishment then you will need to clear the fleet's movement orders and then wait for refuelling to complete.
If you have researched Underway Replenishment then the tanker will refuel the other ships even if the fleet is doing something else.
This mode does not give any message when refuelling is complete
I tried doing this (I manually assigned the ship to the fleet and set the drop down) but my ships are stranded with no fuel. I do have the tanker set as tanker and researched underway replenishment and all, he will refuel the fleet if I clear the movement order but I must be missing something.
It is possible that being out of fuel is the problem, which smells like a bug, or that another bug is in play. If you can produce a test-case then I would suggest posting it in the bugs thread.
I played some more with that and the tanker never refuels anything when the fleet has orders.
Minimal fuel is set to 500 000.
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In-transit refuelling, where the tanker joins the fleet:
In this mode, under the tanker's Ship Design Display tab there is a dropdown box. Set it to Refuel Own Fleet. 'Join and Refuel' should have set this option for you.
If you haven't researched Underway Replenishment then you will need to clear the fleet's movement orders and then wait for refuelling to complete.
If you have researched Underway Replenishment then the tanker will refuel the other ships even if the fleet is doing something else.
This mode does not give any message when refuelling is complete
I tried doing this (I manually assigned the ship to the fleet and set the drop down) but my ships are stranded with no fuel. I do have the tanker set as tanker and researched underway replenishment and all, he will refuel the fleet if I clear the movement order but I must be missing something.
It is possible that being out of fuel is the problem, which smells like a bug, or that another bug is in play. If you can produce a test-case then I would suggest posting it in the bugs thread.
I played some more with that and the tanker never refuels anything when the fleet has orders.
Minimal fuel is set to 500 000.
Please post your test case in the bugs thread.
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Will do next time I run short of fuel, which shouldn't take long as my navy can't get anywhere without tankers, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything :)
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I see some additional items to check.
What is your level of underway replenishment? Basic is 20% so the refuel rate would be 20,000 liters per hour. If the FF is completely empty, then Aurora may be generating the message before they can start moving and refueling.
What is the burn rate on the FF - How much fuel per hour? I doubt this is the case, but is the FF burning fuel faster than the tanker can refuel? Trying to fill the bath tub with the drain open.
Have you tried removing the movement orders and refueling at a stop? This may address the 2 problems above.
How much fuel does your tanker actually have? It will not refuel other ships below 500,000.
It is possible that in-transit refueling is still got some bugs.
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I see some additional items to check.
What is your level of underway replenishment? Basic is 20% so the refuel rate would be 20,000 liters per hour. If the FF is completely empty, then Aurora may be generating the message before they can start moving and refueling.
What is the burn rate on the FF - How much fuel per hour? I doubt this is the case, but is the FF burning fuel faster than the tanker can refuel? Trying to fill the bath tub with the drain open.
Have you tried removing the movement orders and refueling at a stop? This may address the 2 problems above.
How much fuel does your tanker actually have? It will not refuel other ships below 500,000.
It is possible that in-transit refueling is still got some bugs.
I have 45% underway replenishment rate. My tanker had 19 million liters and that ship design to refuel was using about 700 liters per hour for a 100k liters per hour refueling capability from the tanker. You are right, all of this could have been an issue but here that was not the cause.
Yes, refueling at stop worked. I think somebody already reported this as a bug though.
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I've noticed that while my tanker can refuel from another fleet (for instance, a sorium harvester), I can't refuel a separate fleet, instead I have to join the fleet (join and refuel fleet) then it happens automatically. Refueling of a fleet that a tanker is in seems to happen regardless of whether I want it to or not.
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I've noticed that while my tanker can refuel from another fleet (for instance, a sorium harvester), I can't refuel a separate fleet, instead I have to join the fleet (join and refuel fleet) then it happens automatically. Refueling of a fleet that a tanker is in seems to happen regardless of whether I want it to or not.
Each individual tanker has an option that controls in-transit refuelling by that tanker. The 'join and refuel fleet' enables this option and then it stays on for that tanker until you manually change it to something else. Detaching the tanker does not change this setting.
To refuel a fleet from a tanker in a different fleet, the tanker's fleet must not have any orders set and fleet to be refuelled then uses the 'refuel from stationary tanker' order.