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C# Aurora => C# Bureau of Design => Topic started by: Froggiest1982 on May 17, 2020, 04:15:43 AM

Title: Prisoner Ship
Post by: Froggiest1982 on May 17, 2020, 04:15:43 AM

So I had my first big fight which I won, yay!

I already had something similar in mind before this fight happened but once finished I couldn't agree more with my choice.

PROBLEM
After a big fight, you have 2 issues: Number one is prisoners and survivors to rescue, Number 2 is the insane amount of wrecks to recover.

(https://i.ibb.co/TkLZ3vr/Capture.png)

If my survivors are picked by our Fleet in the area (which I am more than fine with it) I cannot use the same fleet to recover the prisoners though or you would have an insane amount of overcrowding forcing you to leave the newly conquered space too soon.

I present you the SOLUTION:

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Asheville class Prisoner Ship 50,648 tons 223 Crew 953.6 BP TCS 1,013 TH 1,563 EM 0
1542 km/s Armour 1-121 Shields 0-0 HTK 71 Sensors 0/0/0/0 DCR 1 PPV 0
MSP 11 Max Repair 200 MSP
Troop Capacity 250 tons Boarding Capable Cargo 25,000 Cryogenic Berths 2,000
Lieutenant Commander Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months
Salvager: 1 module(s) capable of salvaging 500 tons per day

Commercial Ion Drive (10) Power 1562.5 Fuel Use 8.94% Signature 156.25 Explosion 5%
Fuel Capacity 1,000,000 Litres Range 39.7 billion km (298 days at full power)

This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes

THE CONCEPT
The Prisoner Ship will collect only prisoners and for roleplay/convenience purpose these will be used for our salvaging mission (it's a hard work not only done by a machine but you need people in EVO suits as well and on the ships extracting components) all under the supervision of a 250 Tons Space Marines Squad. The Marines squad has two purposes: the main one is role-playing of course but they can come handy to board few stranded enemy ships at 0km/s.

(https://i.ibb.co/6P6djRc/Capture1.png)

Title: Re: Prisoner Ship
Post by: L0ckAndL0ad on May 17, 2020, 04:34:22 AM

In my games I'd classify that as Rescue and Salvage ship (https://www.google.com/search?q=Rescue+and+Salvage+ship) (ARS hull classification). I had one such class in my VB6 campaign.

Field use showed that I should probably have a separate and quicker life pod rescue ship (they expire and do not require recovery time), so I also made some fast and small rescue shuttles to supplement the efforts. It's obviously a lot of micromanagement. I'd suggest having a separate big cryo ship that would deal with life pods exclusively.

Old but proven VB6 designs:

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Title: Re: Prisoner Ship
Post by: Michael Sandy on May 25, 2020, 01:49:41 PM

A sleazy thing you could do in VB6 was have a shuttle with a very short endurance, but a couple HS for extra berths. With a 3 day endurance, it could cram in hundreds of people... and then you stick it in a carrier and it didn't check if life support was overloaded.

Since there wasn't a way to load prisoners or life pods into cryo, I just RPed that it really was cryo.

Title: Re: Prisoner Ship
Post by: SpikeTheHobbitMage on May 25, 2020, 02:22:55 PM

Quote from: Michael Sandy on May 25, 2020, 01:49:41 PM

A sleazy thing you could do in VB6 was have a shuttle with a very short endurance, but a couple HS for extra berths. With a 3 day endurance, it could cram in hundreds of people... and then you stick it in a carrier and it didn't check if life support was overloaded.

Since there wasn't a way to load prisoners or life pods into cryo, I just RPed that it really was cryo.

Actually VB did use cryo as overflow if crew space was full. That was the main reason to include emergency cryo on warships: If the crewspace was damaged you did't get a life support cascade failure due to overcrowding. They also fit nicely on S&R fighters. The annoying part was that you couldn't divide or transfer survivors between ships, so if you had a lifepod with 500 survivors and three 200 seat rescue ships you were hosed, and once your rescue fighters were full they couldn't offload to the mothership so they could go out for another load. And then you couldn't transfer to a civilian transport for the trip home.

Title: Re: Prisoner Ship
Post by: Father Tim on June 06, 2020, 09:11:19 AM

Quote from: froggiest1982 on May 17, 2020, 04:15:43 AM

. . .PROBLEM
After a big fight, you have 2 issues: Number one is prisoners and survivors to rescue, Number 2 is the insane amount of wrecks to recover. . .

. . .THE CONCEPT
The Prisoner Ship will collect only prisoners and for roleplay/convenience purpose these will be used for our salvaging mission (it's a hard work not only done by a machine but you need people in EVO suits as well and on the ships extracting components) all under the supervision of a 250 Tons Space Marines Squad. The Marines squad has two purposes: the main one is role-playing of course but they can come handy to board few stranded enemy ships at 0km/s. . .

It works with your fiction, but Aurora's mechanics are in opposition to your concept. Aurora wants prisoners taken to one of your colonies for processing, whereas salvagers want to stay and work on wrecks (possibly even transferring cargo to other ships for ferrying back to your colonies).

Your concept puts all of the "eggs" from holding the field into one (or a very few) basket(s) for a good long time. Not only are you risking all of your gains from the First Battle of Somewhere to any potential Second Battle of Somewhere, but you're delaying the point at which your empire can benefit from those gains by not delivering them for months or even years.

Aurora 4x

C# Aurora => C# Bureau of Design => Topic started by: Froggiest1982 on May 17, 2020, 04:15:43 AM