Post by: Starkiller on April 07, 2009, 11:10:00 AM
three stars. A earth like moon, cold but habitable, orbits a planet around component Proxima-C. So far, no warp points, but locations are
far apart and they are heading to the second location now. Geo Survey has surveyed the first three planets of component Proxima-A, and
they are RICH in minerials, with almost ALL being on each planet. Now the question. What should I do now? Or rather, what would YOU do
in this situation? Should I pack up a colony ship or two and send them to the habitable world? Because it is so earthlike, colonization cost
is zero. I have to admit that the tutorials were great, but now that I'm confronted with a rich system with a habitable planet, I'm not quite
sure what to do next. Heh.
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc304/Greywolf_Starkiller/1-Aurora-survey.jpg)
Eric
Post by: Beersatron on April 07, 2009, 11:20:13 AM
I go for a balance between cost of the colony and how good the mining is going to be.
What I do is:
1. Drop some infrastructure, mines, factorys and colonists on the planet
2. Build jump gates on both sides of the JP
3. Let the civilian ships expand the colony for me with more infrastructure and colonists while I transfer some more mines and factorys
4. Move a commander with mining bonus to the new colony as Governor, if your going to terraform then choose a commander with that as secondary bonus
Post by: Erik L on April 07, 2009, 12:59:16 PM
Post by: Starkiller on April 07, 2009, 07:44:05 PM
the grav survey. Is infrastructure still needed on a zero cost habitable world? BTW, I transited the second WP and found a single star system
with several planets and 3 points marked LP1, LP2, and LP3. What are LP points? Erik, I DID say that. It was rather funny actually, the thrill
I got in finding that habitable moon. :) It's a valuable system, so maybe a military
presence would be wise.
Eric
Post by: Sotak246 on April 07, 2009, 09:48:41 PM
As for the LPs those are insytem jump points. They don't require jump engines, they just allow movement between them. A short cut around the system as it were.
Mark
Post by: SteveAlt on April 08, 2009, 07:29:47 AM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Well, while I had hoped for a simple system for my survey fleet's first transit, it was a Trinary, with planets and moon around each of theThe first thing to do is get some colonists to the zero cost planet. You won't need any infrastructure for them as that is only required if the colony cost is greater than zero. Set a colony fleet to pick up from your homeworld, transit into the new system, drop off colonists, transit back to the home system and refuel/resupply/freighter check. Then click the cycle checkbox and the colony fleet will continue to make the same run without any further management. The next stage will depend on the mineral survey. If it has good minerals, especially Duranium, then treat it as a mini-homeworld and put down a mixture of construction factories, mines, etc. Maybe even tow a shipyard to it once it is established. If it is not so good generally for minerals but has plenty of Sorium then mines and fuel harvesters will make it a specialised fuel production facility. With limited minerals, it could serve as a research facility as research labs don't need minerals. Or you could move factories that require specific minerals, such as ordnance factories or fighter factories, and send a freighter with the right minerals. I've done that in the past to take advantage of the manpower.
three stars. A earth like moon, cold but habitable, orbits a planet around component Proxima-C. So far, no warp points, but locations are
far apart and they are heading to the second location now. Geo Survey has surveyed the first three planets of component Proxima-A, and
they are RICH in minerials, with almost ALL being on each planet. Now the question. What should I do now? Or rather, what would YOU do
in this situation? Should I pack up a colony ship or two and send them to the habitable world? Because it is so earthlike, colonization cost
is zero. I have to admit that the tutorials were great, but now that I'm confronted with a rich system with a habitable planet, I'm not quite
sure what to do next. Heh.
New colonies grow faster than large ones and use more of their population for manufacturing so moving people to colonies is a good way to increase overall pop growth and the size of the manufacturing sector.
Steve
Post by: Starkiller on April 08, 2009, 10:17:27 AM
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc304/Greywolf_Starkiller/1-Aurora-survey2.jpg)
I started with construction factories because I can then build what I need, rather than ship it, but since the mineral content isn't too bad,
I'll send some automated mines as well. The survey found ruins on the planet surface. Not to sure what to do about that, so I put a Xenologist
Team together and they are on their way to the planet. Hope that was the right move.
Eric
Post by: Cassaralla on April 08, 2009, 10:22:46 AM
Post by: Starkiller on April 08, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
rich planets of Proxima A, and place mass drivers on all three and on the colony, would that be workable in getting needed minerals to the colony?
Eric
Post by: SteveAlt on April 08, 2009, 10:54:55 AM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Hmm. A good idea about sending a geologist team, but to get minerals to the colony, would mass drivers work? If I put automated mines on the threeYes, that sounds like a very good idea. Don't forget the mass driver on the colony though or unfortunate things will happen when the mineral packets don't get caught in orbit
rich planets of Proxima A, and place mass drivers on all three and on the colony, would that be workable in getting needed minerals to the colony?
Steve
Post by: Starkiller on April 08, 2009, 09:00:31 PM
per population on a hostile planet? Since Mercury and Mars are good, mineral wise, I'd like to place colonies there, but don't know how much
infrastructure to send. Each colony vessel holds 50k colonists (I think). To support 50000 colonists, how much is required? Is it a 1 to 1 ratio?
Eric
Post by: Erik L on April 08, 2009, 09:27:06 PM
Though as a personal habit, I keep one to catch per incoming driver.
As for the infrastructure, it is not 1-1, but I cannot tell you what it is.
Post by: welchbloke on April 09, 2009, 05:52:31 AM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Since Mercury and Mars are good, mineral wise, I'd like to place colonies there, but don't know how muchIf you are just looking to mine the resources it may be better to place some automated mines on Mercury . I don't know how habitable Mars is in your game but I tend to find that Mars has some long term potential (Col cost 2.0 and possibility to be terraformed, whilst Mercury is too much hassle for colonists).
infrastructure to send. Each colony vessel holds 50k colonists (I think). To support 50000 colonists, how much is required? Is it a 1 to 1 ratio?
Eric
Post by: waresky on April 09, 2009, 01:58:00 PM
Infrastructure number and capability depend on "habitability" the planet..near to 0 more colonist x single infrastructure..
Post by: Erik L on April 09, 2009, 08:14:12 PM
Post by: Starkiller on April 09, 2009, 11:38:50 PM
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 12:13:33 AM
to a -88 temp. The third planet also has an oxy-nitro atmosphere but needs some terraforming due to VERY low air pressure.
Now another question. How do you guys expand? Do you wait for colonies to become more populated and then expand further, or do you go
out as many transits as your ships can go?
Eric
Post by: Erik L on April 10, 2009, 12:31:37 AM
Post by: Beersatron on April 10, 2009, 09:02:02 AM
So be careful and do what I didn't do .. make a '5-year plan'!!
Only just recently have I managed to get to a point were my mining and construction are near level. It doesn't help that my Sol is resource poor, 100k duranium on Earth at the start and only a 3/4 other solar bodies with ~100k duranium which requires expensive automated mines to get at.
The system next door to Sol has NPRs/Precursors (for my game) and every time I try to snipe them I get my ass handed to me which wastes even more resources. And because I am pushing to get a big ship into play with strong armour, high speed, high maneuvering and high yield missiles I am diverting from economy, mining and construction projects.
I love it! Although I would be dead by now if the bad guys were able to use the JG into Sol.
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 10:36:46 AM
respective systems, while I concentrate on Sol for the moment. I've got, what I think, is a good fleet. Though it is small, don't want to overload
the economy, as I don't know quite how it works yet. Though good is relative. I'm sure the Precursers would show me just how 'good' my ships are,
when I meet them.
Eric
Post by: SteveAlt on April 10, 2009, 10:41:53 AM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
1 Mass Driver to catch, 1 on each planet to throw.The infrastructure required formula is: Population in millions * 100 * ColCost
Though as a personal habit, I keep one to catch per incoming driver.
As for the infrastructure, it is not 1-1, but I cannot tell you what it is.
So for a population of 10 million with col cost 2, the required infrastructure is: 10 x 100 x 2 = 2000
For a population of 15 million with col cost 3.5, the required infrastructure is: 15 x 100 x 3.5 = 5250
For a population of 31.83m and cost cost 1.2342 (my own game), infrastructure is: 31.83 x 100 x 1.2342 = 3928
Steve
Post by: SteveAlt on April 10, 2009, 10:43:22 AM
Quote from: "Beersatron"
I have wrecked my economy by trying to expand into too many areas. Doing Constructon, Research, Colonisation, Exploration, Ship Building all at the same time at the rate I am trying to do it just stalls everything.It sounds like you are having fun :)
So be careful and do what I didn't do .. make a '5-year plan'!!
Only just recently have I managed to get to a point were my mining and construction are near level. It doesn't help that my Sol is resource poor, 100k duranium on Earth at the start and only a 3/4 other solar bodies with ~100k duranium which requires expensive automated mines to get at.
The system next door to Sol has NPRs/Precursors (for my game) and every time I try to snipe them I get my ass handed to me which wastes even more resources. And because I am pushing to get a big ship into play with strong armour, high speed, high maneuvering and high yield missiles I am diverting from economy, mining and construction projects.
I love it! Although I would be dead by now if the bad guys were able to use the JG into Sol.
Steve
Post by: SteveAlt on April 10, 2009, 11:21:38 AM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Well, I'm fortunate that I have not run into Precursers yet. I'm letting the colonies grow with materials mass drivered from other bodies in theirThe economy can be tricky to manage in Aurora as I wanted to get away from the 'rich get richer' problem common to many 4x games. You can crash even a large Aurora economy if you don't watch out for looming shortages.
respective systems, while I concentrate on Sol for the moment. I've got, what I think, is a good fleet. Though it is small, don't want to overload
the economy, as I don't know quite how it works yet. Though good is relative. I'm sure the Precursers would show me just how 'good' my ships are,
when I meet them.
Steve
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 12:23:52 PM
mineral packets or unfortunate things could happen. Using that thought, could a mass driver be used as a weapon, if one is feeling particularly Nasty? :)
Eric
Post by: Erik L on April 10, 2009, 12:40:38 PM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
I just thought of something, based on something you mentioned earlier on. You mentioned to be sure the colony had a mass driver to 'catch' incoming
mineral packets or unfortunate things could happen. Using that thought, could a mass driver be used as a weapon, if one is feeling particularly Nasty? :)
Eric
If you dig through either mechanics or bugs, there is a posting where I neglected to have an incoming MD. It was not pretty.
Post by: SteveAlt on April 10, 2009, 01:29:25 PM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
I just thought of something, based on something you mentioned earlier on. You mentioned to be sure the colony had a mass driver to 'catch' incomingYes, you can do that. Just ensure you throw as large a packet as possible because it won't take long to build a mass driver at the target
mineral packets or unfortunate things could happen. Using that thought, could a mass driver be used as a weapon, if one is feeling particularly Nasty? :)
Steve
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 02:55:16 PM
shipyards are doing.
At least Proxima had only the one to Sol. Steve, did you put closed WPs in Aurora? Should I be paranoid? Heh. Sent survey shipsthrough 3 of the 5 unexplored points in Tau Ceti. One was a star with no planets, but the other 2 have possiblities. I love oxy-nitro atmospheres that
only need a bit of terraforming to get them breathable, and those two systems have 3 between them. One is so earthlike, it's uncanny. It has a breathable
atmosphere, but a 2 cost factor due to presence of sulphur dioxide. Can't have everything. Just praying I don't run into any nasties, as my navy is getting
rather overstretched until the new construction is completed.
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 03:12:20 PM
In this pic, you see the WP/JP to Tau Ceti has a red square around it. Anyone know why?
Eric
Post by: Andrew on April 10, 2009, 03:23:58 PM
Post by: SteveAlt on April 10, 2009, 03:40:18 PM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Hooo boy! First Tau Ceti with 6 WPs, now Sigma Draconis with 5 WPs. All of a sudden, I feel rather anxious with so few warships. Guess what myAurora has dormant jump points rather than closed. A dormant jump point can't be detected until a ship has moved through it from the far side. After that point it is detected normally. So from a security point of view, it is possible an alien race could arrive in one of your core systems. Also, if you have a ship close enough to detect a transit, that jump point will become charted even if you didn't know it existed.
shipyards are doing.
through 3 of the 5 unexplored points in Tau Ceti. One was a star with no planets, but the other 2 have possiblities. I love oxy-nitro atmospheres that
only need a bit of terraforming to get them breathable, and those two systems have 3 between them. One is so earthlike, it's uncanny. It has a breathable
atmosphere, but a 2 cost factor due to presence of sulphur dioxide. Can't have everything. Just praying I don't run into any nasties, as my navy is getting
rather overstretched until the new construction is completed.
Steve
Post by: SteveAlt on April 10, 2009, 03:43:09 PM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
In this pic, you see the WP/JP to Tau Ceti has a red square around it. Anyone know why?The red square indicates a jump gate that you didn't build. Your own jump gates will be shown as orange squares. This could be an abandoned ancient jump gate or it could be one built more recently by an active alien race. You can send any ship through a jump gate, even if it doesn't have a jump engine. However, you will need a jump gate on the other side to get back if your probe ship lacks a jump engine.
Steve
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 03:45:33 PM
someone has been around, and that kinda freaks me out a bit.
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 03:49:23 PM
Greywolf
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 04:11:12 PM
Eric
Post by: Sotak246 on April 10, 2009, 07:48:12 PM
Mark
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 08:01:51 PM
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 08:04:37 PM
for the number of systems in a sector before starting another sector?
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
Proxima C. Steve, I don't know how you did it, but I tip my hat to your programming skills.
Just need more automated mines on the 3 planetsof Proxima A, and setup mines on the others, to increase the mineral flow. Strangely, Proxima C is the only one of the three stars in this trinary
system that has developed habitable, or terraformable, worlds. ^_-
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc304/Greywolf_Starkiller/1-Aurora-survey4.jpg)
Eric
Post by: Erik L on April 10, 2009, 09:18:31 PM
Quote from: "Starkiller"
Scratch that last. I just looked on the completed list, and it was there. So, more centers should expand the radius. What is the general rule
for the number of systems in a sector before starting another sector?
Eric
Each level adds one to the radius. I try to stay with 3-4 jumps, and then build another sector for further expansion. Usually in some nodal system with lots of jp or habitable planets.
Post by: Starkiller on April 10, 2009, 09:33:44 PM
Sigma Draconis (2 transits out from Sol) being major warp nexii, with six and five JPs respectively. My surveyors will be busy for a time.
Eric
Post by: sloanjh on April 10, 2009, 09:35:17 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
Quote from: "Starkiller"Scratch that last. I just looked on the completed list, and it was there. So, more centers should expand the radius. What is the general rule
for the number of systems in a sector before starting another sector?
Eric
Each level adds one to the radius. I try to stay with 3-4 jumps, and then build another sector for further expansion. Usually in some nodal system with lots of jp or habitable planets.
I thought it went roughly like the square root of the number of levels, i.e. 1 level = radius 1, 4 = radius 2, 9 = radius 3, but I also think I remember something a little weird with the counting - I think that you just need to get to level 2 to get radius 2.
John
Post by: Starkiller on April 11, 2009, 02:23:40 PM
I see things like spaceport, financial institution, and Commercial Freight, but have no idea what these
things do.
Eric
Post by: Brian Neumann on April 11, 2009, 03:36:09 PM
Financial Centres generate extra wealth
Maintenance Facilities generate the mainenance to put on ships, and if there are enough they keep ships in orbit from running up time on the clock. (200 tons times the number of facilities for the largest size ship maintained.)
Commercial Freight Facilities let you put in the order que for freighters, colonizers etc the order of freighter maintenance check. This automatically resets the freighters clock to zero and refills the maintenance on the freighter. It basically allows you to not have to wory about your freighters falling apart if you can swing them by one of these every couple of years.
Spaceports are being phased out in 4.1, currently if you have a spaceport on two planets not in the same system and the systems are linked by jump gates you can create a trade route. This is another way to gain wealth.
If you have any other questions I would be happy to help
Brian
Post by: Starkiller on April 11, 2009, 11:20:29 PM
It would be nice if you could test your designs against a computer generated opponent of a selected teck level. This way, you could find weaknesses
in your design before actual combat shows them to you, in a lethal fashion. "QUICK! To the escape pods, Crew!" "Um...WHAT escape pods?" "Oh-oh.."
Eric
Post by: waresky on April 12, 2009, 11:19:30 AM
Post by: Starkiller on April 12, 2009, 12:42:01 PM
from Steve's Rigelians.
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 12, 2009, 04:44:41 PM
I could no longer be surprised. I was wrong, VERY wrong. Epsilon Eridani is a Quadrinary and will likely take a LONG time to survey, even for my second
generation survey ships. The distances are mind boggling. If there are aliens in this massive system, I'm going home, pull the blanket over my head, and
hope the bogeyman won't get me. Heh.
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 12, 2009, 05:12:05 PM
The second two, I had to REALLY zoom out far, just to see them. Fortunately, there are LPs that jump out to the second pair. It's a good thing, as I imagine
it would take YEARS to go from Eridani A or C to Eridani B or D. What an awesome headache...er...I mean, system!
(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc304/Greywolf_Starkiller/1-Aurora-survey5.jpg)
Eric
Post by: Starkiller on April 13, 2009, 10:41:34 AM
Eric
Post by: SteveAlt on April 13, 2009, 01:25:16 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
You have to double the size of the sector command for each increase in radius. So Level 1 = Radius 1, Level 2 = Radius 2, Level 4 = Radius 3, Level 8 = Radius 4, etc.Quote from: "Erik Luken"Quote from: "Starkiller"Scratch that last. I just looked on the completed list, and it was there. So, more centers should expand the radius. What is the general rule
for the number of systems in a sector before starting another sector?
Eric
Each level adds one to the radius. I try to stay with 3-4 jumps, and then build another sector for further expansion. Usually in some nodal system with lots of jp or habitable planets.
I thought it went roughly like the square root of the number of levels, i.e. 1 level = radius 1, 4 = radius 2, 9 = radius 3, but I also think I remember something a little weird with the counting - I think that you just need to get to level 2 to get radius 2.
Steve
Post by: Starkiller on April 19, 2009, 05:59:28 PM
them.
I think I better stop and do some more colonizing.(http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc304/Greywolf_Starkiller/1-Aurora-survey10.jpg)
Eric