Post by: x2yzh9 on January 13, 2010, 05:12:31 PM
Post by: Jarhead0331 on January 13, 2010, 05:16:04 PM
Post by: Beersatron on January 13, 2010, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: AtomikKrab on January 13, 2010, 07:58:08 PM
Post by: sloanjh on January 13, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: "AtomikKrab"
I have had those for years, no civilian lines... maybe I need to get those starports built on my colonies?
Did you start with a conventional, or a TN start? There's beginning to be some suspicion that the conventional starts might be bugged - civie lines seem to not be showing up in some games (like mine) after many years.
In a recent post (I think in the bugs thread), Steve said that there's a prereq that you have at least one populated planet besides your homeworld. After that, there's a certain % chance of one showing up every 5-day - I think it worked out to about 1 every 7 years on average. This is about how long my game has had a populated planet, so the jury's still out on whether we think it's a bug.
It sounds like Spaceports don't have any effect on civie lines appearing, but I noticed in one of the tutorials what their use is - they cut load/unload times on the planet by a factor of (1+space_port_level).
John
Post by: x2yzh9 on January 13, 2010, 09:33:57 PM
Post by: boggo2300 on January 14, 2010, 12:03:32 AM
Matt
Post by: AtomikKrab on January 14, 2010, 01:52:49 AM
Post by: sloanjh on January 14, 2010, 08:47:39 AM
Quote from: "AtomikKrab"
well I just started having civilian asteroid mining enterprises pop up, so I assume it's passed, no lines yet but I think I need a second colony with a spaceport, and that's a little ways off due to materials
Civie mining isn't the problem - I've got a ton of them (and it uses a different part of the code) - it's the civie lines. BTW, I've had a spaceport on both Mars and Earth for ages.
John
Post by: boggo2300 on January 14, 2010, 01:45:21 PM
Matt
Post by: sloanjh on January 14, 2010, 09:09:21 PM
Quote from: "boggo2300"
Well I've been known to throw a subsidy at a line to try and prompt it to do something.....
Matt
Which gives me "Please select a shipping line", of which there are none
I'm beginning to really like the idea of an SM (or even non-SM, if the start-up funds come out of government wealth) button "Create new shipping line". I also thing the probability for creation should be bumped up, or the first line should appear automagically if certain criteria are met (e.g. when the first colony is big enough to have trade goods show up on its trade screen).
John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 15, 2010, 09:25:22 AM
Quote from: "Beersatron"
When designing the Freighters try and keep them below (and I need confirmation on this figure) 2000 buildpoints as this is the maximum starting wealth that a Civilian line starts with.They start with 1500, although you can give them extra money through subsidies. It is a good idea to have both cheap and expensive civ designs. The shipping lines will occasionally decide to buy a new ship and will generally pick the most expensive of the type they want (currently colony, freighter or liner). If they don't have enough money they will pass up on building anything so a cheap design is worth having. On the other hand, if they do have plenty of money you want them to buy the most expensive option available as that will generate more money in the long term so an expensive design is a good idea too.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 15, 2010, 09:43:29 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
My intention was that conventional starts should have a single shipping line but I have found a bug that prevented that. It's fixed for v4.81 so new conventional starts will have a shipping line.Quote from: "boggo2300"Well I've been known to throw a subsidy at a line to try and prompt it to do something.....
Matt
Which gives me "Please select a shipping line", of which there are none
I'm beginning to really like the idea of an SM (or even non-SM, if the start-up funds come out of government wealth) button "Create new shipping line". I also thing the probability for creation should be bumped up, or the first line should appear automagically if certain criteria are met (e.g. when the first colony is big enough to have trade goods show up on its trade screen).
I think there is an SM-only Add Shipping Line button in v4.8
Steve
Post by: Balibar on February 02, 2010, 04:55:10 AM
Post by: mrwigggles on February 02, 2010, 05:19:30 AM
Quote from: "Balibar"
Do the Civilians respond to mineral shortages? In real life, a shortage of any mineral would raise the price for that mineral and provide incentive for civilians to exploit the high price by setting up a mining operation.
No, they appear randomly one to 1-million chance. If this number rolls under your racial wealth they forum a new one, and a check is made every 5 days I think. They also expand their mining operation with a roll of one to 4-million, if its under your racial wealth they'll pop a new mine.
I would like to see civvie mining mass driver packets in the system view.
As for shipping lanes appearing. I seem to always get enough to to never have a need to build colony ships, and they take care of my misc. delivery needs. I tend to use my cargo fleets for mass repeating jobs, like take x from a 400 times.
I also have about 8 ships they can use. They have a crap luxury liner, a crap jump capable luxury liner, modern jump luxury liner. A crap colony ship, a modern colony ship, a crap freight a modern freighter and a crap geo ship.
They mostly build the crap freighter and colony ships. I've made those obsolete to encourage the sales of the modern one, as the system I plan on colonizing jump point is at pluto orbital line. And thats a two month journey for them.
Post by: Balibar on February 02, 2010, 06:40:38 AM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
Thanks!Quote from: "Balibar"Do the Civilians respond to mineral shortages? In real life, a shortage of any mineral would raise the price for that mineral and provide incentive for civilians to exploit the high price by setting up a mining operation.
No, they appear randomly one to 1-million chance. If this number rolls under your racial wealth they forum a new one, and a check is made every 5 days I think. They also expand their mining operation with a roll of one to 4-million, if its under your racial wealth they'll pop a new mine.
I would like to see civvie mining mass driver packets in the system view.
As for shipping lanes appearing. I seem to always get enough to to never have a need to build colony ships, and they take care of my misc. delivery needs. I tend to use my cargo fleets for mass repeating jobs, like take x from a 400 times.
I also have about 8 ships they can use. They have a crap luxury liner, a crap jump capable luxury liner, modern jump luxury liner. A crap colony ship, a modern colony ship, a crap freight a modern freighter and a crap geo ship.
They mostly build the crap freighter and colony ships. I've made those obsolete to encourage the sales of the modern one, as the system I plan on colonizing jump point is at pluto orbital line. And thats a two month journey for them.
Post by: sloanjh on February 02, 2010, 08:26:31 AM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
I would like to see civvie mining mass driver packets in the system view.There's a checkbox to see mineral packets on one of the options tabs on the F3 window - I think it's "display2". This will show both civie and player packets.
John