Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 22, 2010, 10:01:22 AM
Post by: metalax on January 22, 2010, 10:21:11 AM
Same bug promoting ground force officers I reported over in the 4.8 thread is still happening.
http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1929&start=120#p19317
The up/down buttons to the right of the list of officers for changing seniority don't seem to be working properly. Occasionally they will move the selected officer but most of the time they will not. It seem to be more noticeable for ground officers but occurs for naval officers too.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 22, 2010, 10:32:03 AM
Quote from: "metalax"
Same bug promoting ground force officers I reported over in the 4.8 thread is still happening.Fixed for v4.91. It is just a display bug so it has no long term effect.
Steve
Post by: metalax on January 22, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
Error in cmdCopy_Click
Error 3625 was generated by DAO.Fields
Item not found in this collection.
As far as I can tell this is just from there being no designs at all before it trys to copy one.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 22, 2010, 10:51:16 AM
Quote from: "metalax"
The up/down buttons to the right of the list of officers for changing seniority don't seem to be working properly. Occasionally they will move the selected officer but most of the time they will not. It seem to be more noticeable for ground officers but occurs for naval officers too.What is actually happening is that when you try to change the seniority of a ground forces officer, you instead change the seniority of the matching naval officer. Fixed for v4.91
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 22, 2010, 10:53:53 AM
Quote from: "metalax"
On the class design window, from a conventional start with no missile bases, clicking copy design throws up a repeating error:I have added a check to v4.91 to avoid the above error. As you say, it happens when someone presses Copy and there aren't any classes yet.
Error in cmdCopy_Click
Error 3625 was generated by DAO.Fields
Item not found in this collection.
As far as I can tell this is just from there being no designs at all before it trys to copy one.
Steve
Post by: metalax on January 22, 2010, 11:25:12 AM
Post by: Vargius on January 22, 2010, 03:52:23 PM
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Re: Official v4.7 Bugs Thread
by Vargius » 17 Jan 2010, 00:45
Hi!
I've experienced an overflow bug with orders and I am wondering if anyone else have experienced this type of behavior. If I set a task groups orders on "cycle moves", typically a Freighter Convoy hauling installations to my colonies, and then exit the game I get an overflow bug when trying to view the task group in the Task Group window after I've loaded. I have experienced this in both of the versions of the game I have tried so far, v4.75 and v4.77.
It seems like the game, instead of actually cycling the moves, when saving the game it creates a vast amount of orders. I suspect this because I typically only have a few orders, e.g. "load infrastructure on Earth" and "unload infrastructure on Mars". When I load the game after I've created one such order for one of my task groups, the order list is filled to the brim and I get the overflow bug when trying to view it in the Task Group window.
Post by: Rathos on January 22, 2010, 04:17:39 PM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 23, 2010, 02:52:58 AM
Quote from: "Rathos"
Drone engines don't have prerequisites. I.E. You can research ion drone engines and nuclear pulse drone engines at the same time.It turns out they do have have prerequisites - just the wrong ones
I cut and pasted the drone tech from the missile tech and forgot to change some of the prerequisites. It means that each drone tech has a prerequisite of the matching engine type, which is fine, but also a prerequisite of the previous missile engine rather than the previous drone engine. I don't think this will be a significant issue so although I have changed the master database I won't be putting out a new DB patch just to fix this problem. It will get sorted when the next DB patch is eventually released.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 23, 2010, 02:54:31 AM
Quote from: "Vargius"
I get an overflow bug when trying to access my Cargo task group set on repeat orders after a reload. I suspect it's the same thing happening which I reported in the 4.77 bugs thread (follows bellow).Yes, it seems like a few people are experiencing this particular problem. I haven't figured out what is causing it yet unfortunately. Please could you send me your database file so I can take a look?Code: [Select]Re: Official v4.7 Bugs Thread
by Vargius » 17 Jan 2010, 00:45
Hi!
I've experienced an overflow bug with orders and I am wondering if anyone else have experienced this type of behavior. If I set a task groups orders on "cycle moves", typically a Freighter Convoy hauling installations to my colonies, and then exit the game I get an overflow bug when trying to view the task group in the Task Group window after I've loaded. I have experienced this in both of the versions of the game I have tried so far, v4.75 and v4.77.
It seems like the game, instead of actually cycling the moves, when saving the game it creates a vast amount of orders. I suspect this because I typically only have a few orders, e.g. "load infrastructure on Earth" and "unload infrastructure on Mars". When I load the game after I've created one such order for one of my task groups, the order list is filled to the brim and I get the overflow bug when trying to view it in the Task Group window.
Steve
Post by: boggo2300 on January 23, 2010, 03:25:19 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Yes, it seems like a few people are experiencing this particular problem. I haven't figured out what is causing it yet unfortunately. Please could you send me your database file so I can take a look?Sorry Steve, I just got this again in my4.9 game when it hung, and cleared it from the database (otherwise its a show stopper) and this game has started really well. the TG was 2 freighters 5 holds each with orders set as Load Infrastructure Earth. Drop Infrastructure Mars set to cycle, there was a refuel at 20% conditional order as well.
Steve
Ended up with 25000 lines of the 2 orders in there for that tg
I promise I'll copy you the db next time it happens sorry
Matt
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 23, 2010, 04:27:38 AM
Quote from: "boggo2300"
So does this only appear after a hang? I wonder if the hang is actually an endless loop and the endless loop is what is creating the huge amount of orders. That would make sense but the question becomes why does it only happen occasionally?Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"Yes, it seems like a few people are experiencing this particular problem. I haven't figured out what is causing it yet unfortunately. Please could you send me your database file so I can take a look?Sorry Steve, I just got this again in my4.9 game when it hung, and cleared it from the database (otherwise its a show stopper) and this game has started really well. the TG was 2 freighters 5 holds each with orders set as Load Infrastructure Earth. Drop Infrastructure Mars set to cycle, there was a refuel at 20% conditional order as well.
Steve
Ended up with 25000 lines of the 2 orders in there for that tg
EDIT: I notice that everyone mentioning this bug so far has mentioned Earth and Mars. That could be just a coincidence but it is worth taking into account. The next time this happens, check if it is affecting a cycle between Earth and Mars and also check if Earth and Mars are close together in their orbits.
Steve
Post by: boggo2300 on January 23, 2010, 05:04:55 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
So does this only appear after a hang? I wonder if the hang is actually an endless loop and the endless loop is what is creating the huge amount of orders. That would make sense but the question becomes why does it only happen occasionally?I have only ever had it happen after a hang, and only ever on an Earth Mars run
EDIT: I notice that everyone mentioning this bug so far has mentioned Earth and Mars. That could be just a coincidence but it is worth taking into account. The next time this happens, check if it is affecting a cycle between Earth and Mars and also check if Earth and Mars are close together in their orbits.
Steve
Matt
Post by: greywolf on January 23, 2010, 05:56:50 AM
I could live with these messages if I knew the underlying errors didn't corrupt the game, but it's definitely not motivating, so I decided to continue playing 4.77.
Am I the only one encountering this problem? If it matters: My PC is AMD, Vista, 4 GB RAM, ATI graphics, plenty of disk space left. Although it looks like a software/database problem to me, as the message clearly says that the program expects parameters which are not provided.
Post by: Vargius on January 23, 2010, 06:27:08 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Yes, it seems like a few people are experiencing this particular problem. I haven't figured out what is causing it yet unfortunately. Please could you send me your database file so I can take a look?
Steve
Hi! I'd love to help. Tell me the names of the files you wish for and where to send them and I'll do it ASAP!
Post by: metalax on January 23, 2010, 07:19:59 AM
Error in Update Design
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
Post by: Greiger on January 23, 2010, 11:03:27 AM
Missiles hit and I get "Error in PointBlankPDFire: Error 5 was generated by Aurora, Invalid procedure call or argument" 4 or 5 times and the enemy ship doesn't fire it's point defense weapons(if they have them, I don't know) when the missiles hit.
Post by: sloanjh on January 23, 2010, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Rathos"Drone engines don't have prerequisites. I.E. You can research ion drone engines and nuclear pulse drone engines at the same time.It turns out they do have have prerequisites - just the wrong ones
I cut and pasted the drone tech from the missile tech and forgot to change some of the prerequisites. It means that each drone tech has a prerequisite of the matching engine type, which is fine, but also a prerequisite of the previous missile engine rather than the previous drone engine. I don't think this will be a significant issue so although I have changed the master database I won't be putting out a new DB patch just to fix this problem. It will get sorted when the next DB patch is eventually released.
Steve
Can you put an "update DB from 4.90" command into 4.91 to fix the entries in the DB, or is it a layout change? That technique seemed to work well in 4.7....
John
Post by: sluissa on January 23, 2010, 12:03:59 PM
To start off with I created a fresh game and let the computer design ships for me. I took its freighters, which are pretty standard. 5 cargo holds, 2 cargo handlers and 1331 km/s speed.
I set them up on a Earth to mars Automated mine run with the cycle moves box checked. There seemed to be some problem with clicking the 5 day advance button. Their orders would be cancelled with them ending up at mars. Unsure, but this might have been something to do with 1 day subpulses being set. This occurred when earth and mars were about 30-45 degrees apart in their orbits. A test of the 30 day advance button caused a decent length freeze, about 10 minutes, but enough time allowed things to work itself out and no problems were seen afterwards.
As mars and earth approach at their closest, I'm unable to force any problems to occur short of advancing another 30 days.
At about 10 degree seperation in orbits, the cancelling orders problem occurs again, only with subpulses set to 1 day.
At this point, switched to mines, since automated mines had run out on earth.
At about 20 degree seperation in orbits the deleting orders problem started occuring even at 6 hour subpulses. Seems to occur every two clicks of the 5 day advance button whether set at 1 day subpulses or 6 hour.
Tested it at 1 hour subpulses. Seems to do the same thing.
Every time an event comes up that says unable to load or unload the cargo at the place.
Haven't gotten the 22k+ orders problem yet. Will do further testing later and edit it into this post.
TBC
Post by: Vanigo on January 23, 2010, 12:46:31 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
I ran into this today, if you'd like another database for comparison. Mine doesn't actually crash; it just freezes up for a while while the move list fills up with bajillions of copies of the same three orders. (The database is Stevefire.mdb, right?)Quote from: "Vargius"I get an overflow bug when trying to access my Cargo task group set on repeat orders after a reload. I suspect it's the same thing happening which I reported in the 4.77 bugs thread (follows bellow).Yes, it seems like a few people are experiencing this particular problem. I haven't figured out what is causing it yet unfortunately. Please could you send me your database file so I can take a look?Code: [Select]Re: Official v4.7 Bugs Thread
by Vargius » 17 Jan 2010, 00:45
Hi!
I've experienced an overflow bug with orders and I am wondering if anyone else have experienced this type of behavior. If I set a task groups orders on "cycle moves", typically a Freighter Convoy hauling installations to my colonies, and then exit the game I get an overflow bug when trying to view the task group in the Task Group window after I've loaded. I have experienced this in both of the versions of the game I have tried so far, v4.75 and v4.77.
It seems like the game, instead of actually cycling the moves, when saving the game it creates a vast amount of orders. I suspect this because I typically only have a few orders, e.g. "load infrastructure on Earth" and "unload infrastructure on Mars". When I load the game after I've created one such order for one of my task groups, the order list is filled to the brim and I get the overflow bug when trying to view it in the Task Group window.
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on January 23, 2010, 12:58:03 PM
The one weird thing is that I did have an econ update 1 minute after midnight on Jan 1. I would have thought the promotions would have gone through them.
John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 23, 2010, 01:28:35 PM
Quote from: "greywolf"
The errors 3061, followed by 91 (4 times), sometimes a couple of times in a row, are still there (I had reported them for 4.82). All I did was selecting the default tutorial game, pressing F2 and F3, then the 1-day button on the system map window repeatedly. 3 times was ok (ships were moving), then the 3061 error appeared. I pressed ok, which produced the 91 error, ok again, another 91 error, etc. After 91 had appeared 4 times, 3061 returned once, followed by 4 91's again, then 3061 for the third time, followed by another 4 91 messages. Then the messages disappeared, the ships moved, nothing unusual. Progressed time again (in 1 day steps). Like before three times nothing unusual, the the 3061 message popped up ...There are usually two reasons for these messages. The first is having PC regional settings set to a country that uses the comma for the decimal separator. If v4.77 is working fine that seems unlikely. The second is a mismatch between database and program caused by an installation problem. Make sure when you upgrade to v4.9 you confirm the overwrites of the two files.
I could live with these messages if I knew the underlying errors didn't corrupt the game, but it's definitely not motivating, so I decided to continue playing 4.77.
Am I the only one encountering this problem? If it matters: My PC is AMD, Vista, 4 GB RAM, ATI graphics, plenty of disk space left. Although it looks like a software/database problem to me, as the message clearly says that the program expects parameters which are not provided.
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on January 23, 2010, 01:44:08 PM
I just did an experiment. I made a design and locked it, and the lock button changed to "Unlock" and greyed out - working as intended.
I think tried to unlock it. I hit the "SM Mode" button, typed in the SM pw, and Aurora showed as being in SM mode with the button not greyed out, and I unlocked the design. Again - working as intended.
I then tried to leave SM mode. I first tried ctrl-o, which (as in previous versions from F5) didn't do anything. I then followed my recollection of the instructructions, which was to hit the "SM mode" button and type in no pw or the wrong pw. This did indeed drop me out of SM mode (after a popup I needed to click upon), but it also deactivated (greyed out) the "Lock Design" button - that's the bug. So now the F5 window is in a state where I've got an unlocked class and the "lock" button is greyed out.
This is not a big deal - it's only in the state of the open window. Anything that refreshes the window state (like switching to another class and back) puts the lock button into the correct state.
John
Post by: DFNewb on January 23, 2010, 02:31:51 PM
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on January 23, 2010, 02:56:01 PM
half of the times that a new system is explored, jumppointssurveyed or just systemviewed changed, the screen whites out while processing and seems to minimize itself. clicking on it in the tray twice brings it back up again.
This is still in v4.82 though and obviously in SM and just annoying not a showstopper.
-Arnoud
Post by: sloanjh on January 23, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
In past games, every now and then I've noticed the same highly unusual first name show up multiple times - as if Aurora was getting stuck on the same name. I didn't say anything, however, since it could have just been the vagaries of random numbers. I just had "Tyler Watkins" show up twice as a scientist in my current game, though, which I think is beginning to stretch the odds.
I'm aware of the "Same two birthdays in the same room" effect, that says if you've got N names (or birth dates) from which to chose, then the odds are pretty good that in any group of sqrt(N) choices there will be at least one duplication. The problem is that I think that first and last names are chosen separately, which puts the odds back to 1 part in sqrt(NFirstNames)*sqrt(NLastNames) which is approximately 1 part in N. So I suspect, but am not sure, that something else is going on.
John
Post by: sloanjh on January 23, 2010, 03:41:44 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
I think I've figured out the problem with promotions not happening at startup. I just started a new game with 10 academies, and on Jan 6 2201 (i.e. just after end of 1st year) I got a slew of promotions. I suspect that the "new officer" flag is being set for officers present at startup, even if their commision dates are old.
The one weird thing is that I did have an econ update 1 minute after midnight on Jan 1. I would have thought the promotions would have gone through them.
John
Something else weird that might be related: I just discovered that my GeoSurvey team (that I created right at the start) had all its members unassigned during that Jan 1 econ update.
John
Post by: Vanigo on January 23, 2010, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: "sluissa"
I'm doing some testing of the earth-mars freighter bug.I've been looking at the same issue moving mines from Earth to a comet and back. I suspect what's going on is the freighter is fast enough to make two complete trips, and the program is choking when it tries to pick up a mine, unload it, then pick up another mine and unload that one, all in the same time increment.
To start off with I created a fresh game and let the computer design ships for me. I took its freighters, which are pretty standard. 5 cargo holds, 2 cargo handlers and 1331 km/s speed.
I set them up on a Earth to mars Automated mine run with the cycle moves box checked. There seemed to be some problem with clicking the 5 day advance button. Their orders would be cancelled with them ending up at mars. Unsure, but this might have been something to do with 1 day subpulses being set. This occurred when earth and mars were about 30-45 degrees apart in their orbits. A test of the 30 day advance button caused a decent length freeze, about 10 minutes, but enough time allowed things to work itself out and no problems were seen afterwards.
As mars and earth approach at their closest, I'm unable to force any problems to occur short of advancing another 30 days.
At about 10 degree seperation in orbits, the cancelling orders problem occurs again, only with subpulses set to 1 day.
At this point, switched to mines, since automated mines had run out on earth.
At about 20 degree seperation in orbits the deleting orders problem started occuring even at 6 hour subpulses. Seems to occur every two clicks of the 5 day advance button whether set at 1 day subpulses or 6 hour.
Tested it at 1 hour subpulses. Seems to do the same thing.
Every time an event comes up that says unable to load or unload the cargo at the place.
Haven't gotten the 22k+ orders problem yet. Will do further testing later and edit it into this post.
TBC
Post by: sloanjh on January 23, 2010, 04:25:23 PM
If I explicitly assign the command it's fine.
John
Post by: boggo2300 on January 23, 2010, 05:00:26 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
So does this only appear after a hang? I wonder if the hang is actually an endless loop and the endless loop is what is creating the huge amount of orders. That would make sense but the question becomes why does it only happen occasionally?
EDIT: I notice that everyone mentioning this bug so far has mentioned Earth and Mars. That could be just a coincidence but it is worth taking into account. The next time this happens, check if it is affecting a cycle between Earth and Mars and also check if Earth and Mars are close together in their orbits.
Steve
OK Steve after clearing it up, I recreated the cycle orders to pick up and deliver infrastructure, Earth -> Mars
All was fine until mars got to about 3-4 degrees behind Earth in its orbit, then a turn cycle started taking ages.
I didn't interrupt, just copied the database and looked, and lo & behold lines and lines and lines of the dupe'd orders.
So it LOOKS like it happens when Earth and Mars are very close together.
I'm sending you a copy of my dbase that is currently in fill up the db mode (It's 29.6mb though so attachment may bounce) hmm OK my ISP has max attachment size so it wont let me send it
Matt
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 23, 2010, 06:39:25 PM
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 23, 2010, 10:38:04 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Thanks for the information everyone has been gathering on the cycle orders problem. It does appear to be related to the situation where an entire list of cycled orders is being completed in less than one increment. As a workaround while I find and fix this I suggest using day-long increments when Earth and Mars are close together.Finally fixed I think. The problem was that the order object for the newly cycled order (but not the DB record) was retaining an 'Arrived' flag and a 'Time Required' value that are set when the fleet arrives to unload (or load) cargo. This meant that if the cycled order was carried out during the same increment in which it was created, the newly cycled load or unload never happened (because the program thought the fleet had already arrived) and the time required for unload was therefore never set. Instead, the code went down the route for a fleet that was mid-unload using the last time required value from the previous cycle of the same order. As the time required value diminishes during the unload process that value was often a very small one when it was inadvertently passed into the next cycle (and would potentially get still smaller as the loop continued). Because the order now required only a small amount of time, it could be carried out thousands of times in a long increment, such as 30 days. So the hang wasn't really a hang but was an increment that was taking a really long time to complete. The database records containing the thousands of orders are only tidied up at the end of the increment so if a player Ctrl-Alt-Deletes out during this really long increment those records remain in the DB, causing overflow errors when you try to select the affected fleet in the Fleet window.
Because this data error was only in the order objects and not the DB, the problem would not occur if a new increment was started before the cycled order was reached (because data is refreshed from the DB at the start of the next increment). So in order for this error to happen, it had to be a task involving loading or unloading cargo and it had to be a situation where all the orders in the cycled order list could all be completed within one increment. Which meant a rare scenario such as Earth and Mars in close proximity plus a long increment time.
In effect, this was like the Stargate episode where they get trapped in a time loop by the alien archeologist trying to see his dead wife (the one with the fruit loops!). Your cargo fleet is trapped in its own little time loop, cut off from the rest of the universe and living the same day over and over thousands of times until it finally comes out the other side (or Colonel O'Neill uses Ctrl-Alt-Delete). I guess we could call it the groundhog bug
I'll release the v4.91 patch shortly which should prevent this problem in the future. If you have an existing fleet with this problem then you will need to remove the problem orders. You can click through the errors on the F12 window and then use Delete All button to remove all of the orders. You might also be able to use another fleet to Absorb the affected fleet, which should delete the affected fleet but keep the ships.
Steve
Post by: Erik L on January 24, 2010, 01:07:56 AM
Post by: greywolf on January 24, 2010, 05:21:17 AM
Quote
There are usually two reasons for these messages. The first is having PC regional settings set to a country that uses the comma for the decimal separator. If v4.77 is working fine that seems unlikely. The second is a mismatch between database and program caused by an installation problem. Make sure when you upgrade to v4.9 you confirm the overwrites of the two files.
Thanks, Steve, for pointing out clearly that it could be only a faulty installation or regional settings – the latter turned out to be the real cause. My default settings are German. When Aurora didn’t work with these settings, I simply swapped point and comma, which did the trick for 4.77 (my first installation), but apparently not for 4.8x and 4.9x. Now that I’m using English settings, Aurora works. Thanks again!
Post by: MoonDragon on January 24, 2010, 06:28:54 AM
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Error in ShowFleetList
Error 35602 was generated by Nodes
Key is not unique in collectionIf it matters, I SM created another civ shipping line as the first one seemed to not want to do much. The very next turn after I created the second one, the first bought its freighter and started causing the issue.
Post by: Knight Otu on January 24, 2010, 06:39:38 AM
"Error in NPRPopPlanning
Error 91"
s when advancing time in games that don't use Real Star Systems and have a low difficulty modifier, but seemingly only at the start. In a test, Real Star Systems with pretty much the same options checked (I have different environmental tolerances in both games) does not throw that error. A game without Real Star Systems but with default difficulty also does not appear to cause that error.
Post by: Hawkeye on January 24, 2010, 07:28:21 AM
After getting the password for designer mode (thanks Steve) I found a large group of NPR FACs sitting on top of a precursor listening post, doing nothing (they were meson armed).
I simply abandoned the precursor listening post, but that didn´t help, due to the fact that there also were 4 precursor size-24 buoys sitting in orbit over the planet. The FACs didn´t shoot those either and with a hostile contact in range, the increments would be shorted to 5 seconds forever. After ordering some of the FACs to take out the buoy, they were blastet in the next 5-second increment and from there on, everything went back to normal.
Long story short.
NPR ships hanging around hostile contacts, but not engaging them seems to cause 5-second increments forever.
I understand mesons can´t touch planets, but then the FACs should withdraw and the NPR bring in something with missiles.
Not shooting the buoys, I don´t understand. As I have been able to order them to shoot ´em down, it can´t be a detection problem.
Post by: Father Tim on January 24, 2010, 10:36:25 AM
Opening the (F3) 'System Map' throws an "Error in Show Minerals: Run-time Error '13' - Type mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. Opening the Ctrl-F7 'Technology Report' window generates "Error in PopulateActive: Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. In fact, the windows open and appear to function normally.
I think I've checked all the other windows, and none of them show an error. I have no idea if the error is a Linux/Wine problem, or if it's causing an otherwise-overlooked error to crash the game.
Post by: Brian Neumann on January 24, 2010, 12:55:17 PM
I would suggest that the theory be found first, before you get either the specific tech, or at least before you can improve what you have found.
Brian
Post by: Erik L on January 24, 2010, 01:52:45 PM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
I'm running Aurora on Ubuntu 9.10 through Wine. It was working on 4.8x, but since upgrading to 4.90 (and now 4.91) I get a "Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" and Aurora crashes whenever I attempt to load the (F9) 'System Information' window, or the 'Geological Survey Results' window (whether by the'Geo Status' button on the (F2) Population & Production screen, or the button on the F3 'System Map' window).
Opening the (F3) 'System Map' throws an "Error in Show Minerals: Run-time Error '13' - Type mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. Opening the Ctrl-F7 'Technology Report' window generates "Error in PopulateActive: Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. In fact, the windows open and appear to function normally.
I think I've checked all the other windows, and none of them show an error. I have no idea if the error is a Linux/Wine problem, or if it's causing an otherwise-overlooked error to crash the game.
I would apply the 4.90 patch again followed by the 4.91. See if that helps. To me, it almost sounds like the upgrade didn't get applied.
Post by: MoonDragon on January 24, 2010, 02:23:42 PM
Error in ShowFleetList
Error 35602 was generated by Nodes
Key is not unique in collection
every time the game attempts to redraw the system map. Is there anything I can attempt to do to fix it?
Post by: Father Tim on January 24, 2010, 02:38:32 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
Quote from: "Father Tim"I'm running Aurora on Ubuntu 9.10 through Wine. It was working on 4.8x, but since upgrading to 4.90 (and now 4.91) I get a "Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" and Aurora crashes whenever I attempt to load the (F9) 'System Information' window, or the 'Geological Survey Results' window (whether by the'Geo Status' button on the (F2) Population & Production screen, or the button on the F3 'System Map' window).
Opening the (F3) 'System Map' throws an "Error in Show Minerals: Run-time Error '13' - Type mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. Opening the Ctrl-F7 'Technology Report' window generates "Error in PopulateActive: Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. In fact, the windows open and appear to function normally.
I think I've checked all the other windows, and none of them show an error. I have no idea if the error is a Linux/Wine problem, or if it's causing an otherwise-overlooked error to crash the game.
I would apply the 4.90 patch again followed by the 4.91. See if that helps. To me, it almost sounds like the upgrade didn't get applied.
It was working in 4.82, so I doubt that's the problem. Plus the 'Game Info' screen says 'Version 4.91'.
Post by: Vanigo on January 24, 2010, 04:06:13 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Thanks for the information everyone has been gathering on the cycle orders problem. It does appear to be related to the situation where an entire list of cycled orders is being completed in less than one increment. As a workaround while I find and fix this I suggest using day-long increments when Earth and Mars are close together.Say... would it fix the problem if you put two or three copies of the orders in and cycle the whole shebang so that you never run into the same order twice (just two identical ones)?
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on January 24, 2010, 05:14:03 PM
I created a cargo ship design "Conestoga". Before I started a build (I was prefabbing some components), the civies built one. When I later went to build the first one, the name came up "Conestoga 002". Since then, I've just finished my second one (the civies have built a total of 3) and the name for my 3rd is proposing "Conestoga 006".
I thought that the numbers were unique to the line/class combination, e.g. Harness Conestoga 001 (for the first Conestoga built by the Harkness line).
John
Post by: Andrew on January 24, 2010, 05:40:01 PM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 24, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: "Knight Otu"
I'm getting a fewThis has been reported by a few people on an intermittent basis but I haven't tracked it down yet. Please could you zip and send me your Stevefire.mdb file (my email is stevewalmsley at btinternet.com) so I can reproduce it
"Error in NPRPopPlanning
Error 91"
s when advancing time in games that don't use Real Star Systems and have a low difficulty modifier, but seemingly only at the start. In a test, Real Star Systems with pretty much the same options checked (I have different environmental tolerances in both games) does not throw that error. A game without Real Star Systems but with default difficulty also does not appear to cause that error.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 24, 2010, 07:07:16 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
After the civilians bought their first cargo ship, every time the system map refreshes I'm now getting:This might not be civilian-related. Do you have two ships or two fleets with the same name?Code: [Select]Error in ShowFleetList
Error 35602 was generated by Nodes
Key is not unique in collection
If it matters, I SM created another civ shipping line as the first one seemed to not want to do much. The very next turn after I created the second one, the first bought its freighter and started causing the issue.
Steve
Post by: Erik L on January 24, 2010, 07:09:36 PM
I just had a Division HQ commander get surplussed out.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 24, 2010, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
I'm running Aurora on Ubuntu 9.10 through Wine. It was working on 4.8x, but since upgrading to 4.90 (and now 4.91) I get a "Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" and Aurora crashes whenever I attempt to load the (F9) 'System Information' window, or the 'Geological Survey Results' window (whether by the'Geo Status' button on the (F2) Population & Production screen, or the button on the F3 'System Map' window).I definitely haven't modified the Geo Survey window between v4.8 and v4.9 or the ShowMinerals function and I don't think I have modified the F9 or Ctrl-F7 windows either so there is something weird going on. Have there been any updates to your OS recently?
Opening the (F3) 'System Map' throws an "Error in Show Minerals: Run-time Error '13' - Type mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. Opening the Ctrl-F7 'Technology Report' window generates "Error in PopulateActive: Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. In fact, the windows open and appear to function normally.
I think I've checked all the other windows, and none of them show an error. I have no idea if the error is a Linux/Wine problem, or if it's causing an otherwise-overlooked error to crash the game.
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on January 24, 2010, 07:29:59 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
Ground force commanders are getting RIF'd when they are active duty.
I just had a Division HQ commander get surplussed out.
And there also seem to be "interesting" behaviors associated with auto-assign of ground force HQ officers - as in eligible officers seem to be there, but don't get assigned and the commands sit empty.
I suspect the following: that auto-assign only looks at a single skill in the commanders when deciding if a commander is suitable or not, and that for ground HQ that trait is Ground Forces Training. So an officer who has zero training but non-zero Ground Forces Combat rating is not assigned.
I have two suggestions to help here:
1) Add a "secondary" trait for commands - for combat commands this would be the other of GFT/GFC. For specialized ships (e.g. survey, factory, terraform, etc.) this would be Crew Training, and so on. When ranking a commander for a command, officers without the primary but with the secondary train would also be considered.
2) Add an optional game-info checkbox "Use all available officers to fill commands" (or something like this). If checked, auto-assign would do a second pass after the first pass was done, assigning officers to eligible commands even if they don't have any skills for that command. Presumably this would use a rank-ordering, so higher ranking officers would be assigned first.
John
Post by: sluissa on January 24, 2010, 07:41:22 PM
I've let them train together for almost 6 months now and no increase at all.
I didn't notice this happening before 4.91. Granted, I didn't give 4.90 a large amount of play time aside from freighter cycle testing.
Post by: Erik L on January 24, 2010, 07:50:44 PM
Post by: sloanjh on January 24, 2010, 08:05:17 PM
"Nelson Shipping Alliance has launched a new Vallye Forge II class Planetary Barracks (Division)"
Planetary Barracks (Division) is the new hull type I made for my barracks - I'm not sure why the civies decided to buy one. I just checked, and the only components it has are PDC Barracks, Composite Armor, small crew, and a Bridge (and it's classified as a PDC). I figured civies would only buy ships with holds, cryo-holds, or luxury quarters.
BTW - there's been a display bug for the last couple of releases on the Component Summary tab of the F5 screen - Crew Quarters - Small always seems to show up near the bottom of the screen. I've been meaning to mention it for a while now....
John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 25, 2010, 05:29:46 AM
Quote from: "sluissa"
My task groups don't seem to be increasing in their TF training percentage anymore.Do you still have a task force commander as the training is based on his skills? Check the Ctrl-F4 Task Force window.
I've let them train together for almost 6 months now and no increase at all.
I didn't notice this happening before 4.91. Granted, I didn't give 4.90 a large amount of play time aside from freighter cycle testing.
Steve
Post by: Father Tim on January 25, 2010, 05:55:11 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Father Tim"I'm running Aurora on Ubuntu 9.10 through Wine. It was working on 4.8x, but since upgrading to 4.90 (and now 4.91) I get a "Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" and Aurora crashes whenever I attempt to load the (F9) 'System Information' window, or the 'Geological Survey Results' window (whether by the'Geo Status' button on the (F2) Population & Production screen, or the button on the F3 'System Map' window).
Opening the (F3) 'System Map' throws an "Error in Show Minerals: Run-time Error '13' - Type mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. Opening the Ctrl-F7 'Technology Report' window generates "Error in PopulateActive: Run-time Error '13' - Type Mismatch" but does not crash Aurora. In fact, the windows open and appear to function normally.
I think I've checked all the other windows, and none of them show an error. I have no idea if the error is a Linux/Wine problem, or if it's causing an otherwise-overlooked error to crash the game.
I definitely haven't modified the Geo Survey window between v4.8 and v4.9 or the ShowMinerals function and I don't think I have modified the F9 or Ctrl-F7 windows either so there is something weird going on. Have there been any updates to your OS recently?
Steve
Further research has revealed something odd. I started a new game (pre-TN, real stars, Earth) and all of the errors disappeared. So I started a second game with my usual setting (pre-TN, random stars, SM race for random start system, create nebula for home system) and again, error free. Then I deleted the SM race, set mine to default, and started setting up my (human) empire. BOOM - the Type 13 mismatch errors were back. So I don't think it was working properly under 4.82, but rather that I just didn't change default race and thus didn't encounter the error.
Also, looking at a Nebula system with the F9 'System Information' screen causes twelve "Error in cboSystems: Error 381 was generated in MSFlexGrid - subscript out of range" messages. Create nebula, load system, rename system - anytime a nebula system is loaded by the F9 window it generates the twelve error messages.
Post by: MoonDragon on January 25, 2010, 10:13:01 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "MoonDragon"After the civilians bought their first cargo ship, every time the system map refreshes I'm now getting:This might not be civilian-related. Do you have two ships or two fleets with the same name?Code: [Select]Error in ShowFleetList
Error 35602 was generated by Nodes
Key is not unique in collection
If it matters, I SM created another civ shipping line as the first one seemed to not want to do much. The very next turn after I created the second one, the first bought its freighter and started causing the issue.
Steve
I am pretty sure I do not, as I was not getting the error before the civvies bought their ship. But, I will double check when I get home tonight. Assuming that it is civ shipping lane related, is there something I can do to fix it myself?
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "sluissa"My task groups don't seem to be increasing in their TF training percentage anymore.Do you still have a task force commander as the training is based on his skills? Check the Ctrl-F4 Task Force window.
I've let them train together for almost 6 months now and no increase at all.
I didn't notice this happening before 4.91. Granted, I didn't give 4.90 a large amount of play time aside from freighter cycle testing.
Steve
I've noticed this happening since 4.8 for me. The very first thing I do in every new game is to fill in the TF Staff positions. Does the TF commander have to have certain skills in order for the TGs to gain from training?
Post by: Hawkeye on January 25, 2010, 10:28:24 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
This might not be civilian-related. Do you have two ships or two fleets with the same name?
Steve
I am pretty sure I do not, as I was not getting the error before the civvies bought their ship. But, I will double check when I get home tonight. Assuming that it is civ shipping lane related, is there something I can do to fix it myself?
Hm, one thing came to my mind. Perhaps the civies named their frighter the same as you, i.e. if it is a Hauler class frighter, the civies will probably name it "Hauler 001", have you named your first Hauler class frighter the same?
Just guessing here.
Post by: mavikfelna on January 25, 2010, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
Further research has revealed something odd. I started a new game (pre-TN, real stars, Earth) and all of the errors disappeared. So I started a second game with my usual setting (pre-TN, random stars, SM race for random start system, create nebula for home system) and again, error free. Then I deleted the SM race, set mine to default, and started setting up my (human) empire. BOOM - the Type 13 mismatch errors were back. So I don't think it was working properly under 4.82, but rather that I just didn't change default race and thus didn't encounter the error.
The problem there is that you deleted the SM race, which probably killed several important pointers in the system database. I don't know if Steve has anything in-place to handle that sort of situation currently.
--Mav
Post by: sloanjh on January 25, 2010, 01:17:47 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
I've noticed this happening since 4.8 for me. The very first thing I do in every new game is to fill in the TF Staff positions. Does the TF commander have to have certain skills in order for the TGs to gain from training?Yes - his and his ops officer's (IIRC) Crew training ratings. If they're both zero, I don't think you'll accrue any points (I had this happen to me once). You can check the training value in the TF screen - it's one of the calculated windows like total logistics bonus.
John
Post by: Father Tim on January 25, 2010, 01:23:15 PM
Quote from: "mavikfelna"
The problem there is that you deleted the SM race, which probably killed several important pointers in the system database. I don't know if Steve has anything in-place to handle that sort of situation currently.
--Mav
It's the same procedure I've followed for the previous 37 versions of Aurora, ever since Steve introduced the 'SM race' - and a slight variation on what I did before that. I didn't have this problem with any of a hundred previous game setups. The only things that have changed are upgrading from 4.77 (to 4.8, 4.82, 4.9, 4.91) and switching from WinXP to Wine on Ubuntu. Of the two, I suspect Wine is the problem, and I'm hoping it's simply a matter of explicit vs implicit definitions or some assumed default behaviour that wine doesn't replicate just yet..
Post by: Andrew on January 25, 2010, 05:03:21 PM
Post by: MoonDragon on January 25, 2010, 07:36:35 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "MoonDragon"Error in ShowFleetListThis might not be civilian-related. Do you have two ships or two fleets with the same name?
Error 35602 was generated by Nodes
Key is not unique in collection
Steve
Naturally, you were correct. I built a defense platform. Had it sitting in its own TG. Then I attached a tractor beam to it from my tug boat. The platform now joined tug's TG, but its own TG remained, empty. Then, when the tug got into place, I detached the platform from the tug's TG. Thereby creating a new TG, with the same name as the original platform's TG. All is well now. Thanks for tolerating ignorance.
Post by: sluissa on January 25, 2010, 11:08:13 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Do you still have a task force commander as the training is based on his skills? Check the Ctrl-F4 Task Force window.
Steve
That was the problem. Sorry to bother you.
Post by: a1s on January 25, 2010, 11:42:22 PM
In my latest game I was recently engaged in combat, in which (due to not having sensors worth a darn) I adopted the Zapp Brannigan strategy of waiting until my enemy runs out of ammo. Well they did, I still can't see them, they can't actually do anything to me (anymore that is), but time pulses remain at 5 seconds. my game is pretty much going real time! quitting and restarting doesn't help.
Post by: sloanjh on January 25, 2010, 11:58:59 PM
The reason I need this is that I just did a milk run of 4 round trips from Earth to Mars with a collier fleet to transfer some missiles. Unfortunately, the only missile transfer command I have is "load ordnance" which (IIRC) exchanges missiles with the colony so that the fleet has its default load. I don't have an "unload ordnance" command available, so I couldn't do a repeated order.
Not wanting to babysit the fleet, I decided just to have it run back and forth empty, then when it was done I'd transfer the missiles between stockpiles by hand. Everything was going great, right up I tried to access the "SM Add" button.
I think I've figured out a workaround for this case - I'll use the "Ammo Management" window, and transfer between PDC on Earth and Mars.
John
Post by: mrwigggles on January 26, 2010, 01:20:17 AM
Post by: Another on January 26, 2010, 03:24:02 AM
How to reproduce:
1) Get a civilian shipping line with at least one of your standard issue 5-cargohold freighter.
2) Construct 5 terraforming installations on Earth.
3) Create a civilian supply contract on Earth for 1 terraforming installation.
4) Establish a colony anywhere (e.g. Mars) and create a demand contract for 1 terraforming installation.
5) Wait until an error pops about civilians not being able to load their ship.
6) Check that all 5 of terraforming installations have been successfully transfered to Mars (by 0.2 at a time) but both supply and demand contracts haven't changed at all. You can manually cancel the supply contract at this point, then wait for all freighters in progress to finish unloading their share of the contract and manually cancel the demand contract for all things to return to normal.
I guess that some rounding down (to zero) is occuring with terraforming installations when a contract is accepted and it is determined by how much supply and demand numbers should go down. A single cargohold freighter should transfer even smaller amount - 0.04 of a terraforming installation.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 26, 2010, 05:10:42 AM
Quote from: "sluissa"
No problem. Always better to check in case it is a bug.Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"Do you still have a task force commander as the training is based on his skills? Check the Ctrl-F4 Task Force window.That was the problem. Sorry to bother you.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 26, 2010, 05:14:38 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
The "SM Add" button on the industry tab of the F2 screen seems to be disabled, even when F2 is opened with SM mode on.I just tried this and it seems to be working. It should only enable when you click on the actual item type you need to add, I assume a missile in this case, as not everything on the Industry tab can be added with this button.
The reason I need this is that I just did a milk run of 4 round trips from Earth to Mars with a collier fleet to transfer some missiles. Unfortunately, the only missile transfer command I have is "load ordnance" which (IIRC) exchanges missiles with the colony so that the fleet has its default load. I don't have an "unload ordnance" command available, so I couldn't do a repeated order.
Not wanting to babysit the fleet, I decided just to have it run back and forth empty, then when it was done I'd transfer the missiles between stockpiles by hand. Everything was going great, right up I tried to access the "SM Add" button
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 26, 2010, 05:15:58 AM
Quote from: "a1s"
Not a bug as such, but...Please can you send me the DB so I can take a look at the problem
In my latest game I was recently engaged in combat, in which (due to not having sensors worth a darn) I adopted the Zapp Brannigan strategy of waiting until my enemy runs out of ammo. Well they did, I still can't see them, they can't actually do anything to me (anymore that is), but time pulses remain at 5 seconds. my game is pretty much going real time! quitting and restarting doesn't help.
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on January 26, 2010, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "sloanjh"The "SM Add" button on the industry tab of the F2 screen seems to be disabled, even when F2 is opened with SM mode on.I just tried this and it seems to be working. It should only enable when you click on the actual item type you need to add, I assume a missile in this case, as not everything on the Industry tab can be added with this button.
The reason I need this is that I just did a milk run of 4 round trips from Earth to Mars with a collier fleet to transfer some missiles. Unfortunately, the only missile transfer command I have is "load ordnance" which (IIRC) exchanges missiles with the colony so that the fleet has its default load. I don't have an "unload ordnance" command available, so I couldn't do a repeated order.
Not wanting to babysit the fleet, I decided just to have it run back and forth empty, then when it was done I'd transfer the missiles between stockpiles by hand. Everything was going great, right up I tried to access the "SM Add" button
Steve
Aha!! You need to click on the construction options pulldown. I was flipping to "stockpile" mode and attempting to highlight the stockpiled item. Would it make sense to also turn the button on when in stockpile mode and detect what's highlighted in the screen (or would this not work due to the type of screen)?
Also, to remove items I add a negative amount. Would it make sense to create an "SM Remove" button?
John
Post by: VariousArtist on January 26, 2010, 09:29:09 AM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
Quote from: "mavikfelna"The problem there is that you deleted the SM race, which probably killed several important pointers in the system database. I don't know if Steve has anything in-place to handle that sort of situation currently.It's the same procedure I've followed for the previous 37 versions of Aurora, ever since Steve introduced the 'SM race' - and a slight variation on what I did before that. I didn't have this problem with any of a hundred previous game setups. The only things that have changed are upgrading from 4.77 (to 4.8, 4.82, 4.9, 4.91) and switching from WinXP to Wine on Ubuntu. Of the two, I suspect Wine is the problem, and I'm hoping it's simply a matter of explicit vs implicit definitions or some assumed default behaviour that wine doesn't replicate just yet..
--Mav
Im encountering error 13 with a fresh install (no changes, tutorial game) under ubuntu/wine, too.
Post by: a1s on January 26, 2010, 02:07:26 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
err... so where do I send it?Quote from: "a1s"Not a bug as such, but...Please can you send me the DB so I can take a look at the problem
In my latest game I was recently engaged in combat, in which (due to not having sensors worth a darn) I adopted the Zapp Brannigan strategy of waiting until my enemy runs out of ammo. Well they did, I still can't see them, they can't actually do anything to me (anymore that is), but time pulses remain at 5 seconds. my game is pretty much going real time! quitting and restarting doesn't help.
Steve
edit: ok, so this txt :[attachment=0:3ctvb2yk]Stevefire.txt[/attachment:3ctvb2yk] it's actually a zip of the database, you have to rename it, and then unzip it.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on January 26, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
leaders search by ability: political reliability is not in (%) percentage, but rather a multiplyer (1.2 = +20%).
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also a typo: neutrotic in officer traits should probably be neurotic.
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I had a game with less maximum 25 systems and it somehow had only doublestar 30 Ophiuchi systems.
This may have been caused by me disabling the realsystems option while the game was opened.
(can't get to the DB now, but probably in two weeks)
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I can confirm the reported errors when viewing nebula systems.
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When real systems option is used, options for system generation are still accessable, suggesting these are in effect while they are not. Well, not the max systems option anyhow, I'm not completely sure on how the localsystemchance and spread are used.
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Sometimes theme-names run out. Maybe after they have all been cycled through it does not reset to start and check for any unused names of the theme. Most obvious in classnames, but IIRC also seen it in ship/PDCnames.
-That is all for now.
Areyar
Post by: mrwigggles on January 26, 2010, 06:18:48 PM
Post by: Sherban on January 26, 2010, 07:11:18 PM
Error in LoadRaceData
Error 76 was generated by Aurora. Path not found: 'Flags\'
The directory is definitely there. The error occurs in my current campaign. If I start a new one, I can't duplicate it. Any ideas how to work around it?
Post by: Sherban on January 26, 2010, 07:33:45 PM
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on January 27, 2010, 02:56:45 PM
I noticed this when I tried to design a variant using alien engines.
When I designed the bucket, it had plenty of crewquarters, at least I assume it did, but now it is 56 crew short.
Code: [Select]
Hood class Gravitational Survey Vessel 3600 tons 306 Crew 504.4 BP TCS 72 TH 180 EM 0
2500 km/s JR 3-50 Armour 4-20 Shields 0-0 Sensors 90/1/1/0 Damage Control Rating 4 PPV 0
Annual Failure Rate: 25% IFR: 0.4% Maintenance Capacity 350 MSP Max Repair 100 MSP
J3750(3-50) Military Jump Drive Max Ship Size 3750 tons Distance 50k km Squadron Size 3
Ion Engine E8 (3) Power 60 Fuel Use 80% Signature 60 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 100,000 Litres Range 62.5 billion km (289 days at full power)
Thermal Sensor TH15-90 (1) Sensitivity 90 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 90m km
Gravitational Survey Sensors (1) 1 Survey Points Per Hour
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
I checked and a copy-design can be 'locked' with selfbuilt engines, but not with alien ones (they require equal number of crew), eventhough the crew is cramped.-Arnoud
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components recycling and retro-engineering.
Situation: My freighters (cargospace for 2 mines) having failed to deliver reclaimed salvage module 1000s, which itself was odd as the fleet claimed to be carrying 1 unit, not a fraction.
Anyhow, there was a 0xunits sitting in my stockpile. I tried to take it apart, but this just made it into a negative number of modules.
Next I scrapped them and received the negative 1/3rd worth of the (minus) two modules.
I resent paying for losses made by speculating in alien artifacts.
-Arnoud
Post by: Kishmond on January 27, 2010, 09:04:46 PM
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b257/Kishmond/Games/Error3078.png)
- If tasks are assigned at the shipyard to produce ships in an active Task Force that is currently at a different planet and said task force is told to leave the planet, it hangs in space going nowhere. Even after the planet it's on has moved on. Canceling the constructed ships fixes it.
Post by: mrwigggles on January 28, 2010, 02:36:33 AM
Post by: mrwigggles on January 28, 2010, 03:24:42 AM
When leaving a diplomacy team on a owned planet, its diplomacy skill increases.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 28, 2010, 05:09:18 AM
Quote from: "Kishmond"
- An error 3078 pops up when I click on "Jump Points" in the All Bodies tab in System view, followed by several Error 94's. This happens both before and after there are discovered jump points in the system.Well spotted. That must have been there for years
. Fixed for the next version. You will be fine if you click on the individual jump points. The bug only occurs if you click on the actual "Jump Points" node.Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 28, 2010, 05:10:31 AM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
Possible Bug:That is normal. A Diplomacy team is assigned on the foreign relations window and represents the diplomatic activity directed toward a particular alien race, rather than the presence of that team on an alien world.
When leaving a diplomacy team on a owned planet, its diplomacy skill increases.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 28, 2010, 05:12:16 AM
Quote from: "Kishmond"
- If tasks are assigned at the shipyard to produce ships in an active Task Force that is currently at a different planet and said task force is told to leave the planet, it hangs in space going nowhere. Even after the planet it's on has moved on. Canceling the constructed ships fixes it.Task groups with assigned shipyard orders can't move, which is working as intended. Being able to assign a shipyard task to a fleet that isn't in orbit of the shipyard is a problem though. I'll fix that for the next version.
Steve
Post by: VariousArtist on January 28, 2010, 06:11:48 AM
When advancing time:
Error in SelectInstallationRun
Error 3167 was generated by DAO.Field
Datensatz ist gelöscht (trans: Data deleted?)
lots of this, too, when advancing time:
(seems this one also crashed the game once)
Error in NPRPopPlanning
error 3420 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Objekt nicht mehr gültig oder nicht mehr festgelegt (transl: Object no longer available or defined?)
This was maybe cos I had an empty taskgroup after Ive moved the ships to another one. The taskgroup was finally gone when Ive closed and reopened the task group screen:
Error in SelectInstallationRun
Error 3167 wa generated by DAO.Field
Datensatz ist gelöscht
(transl: Dataset deleted?)
When Ive opened the system map:
Crash on the system map while time increments when down to 10secs.
Error in CentreOnLocation
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
Ive restarted the game 3 times but the error was always comming back. The system map wasnt showing anything and suddenly the error was gone and the map was fine again
Error in DHM
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
Class Design window: While trying if I could remove the duranim armor
(just a noob test, hehe)
Error in cmdRemove_Click
error 381 was generated
Invalid property array index
Post by: sloanjh on January 28, 2010, 12:48:08 PM
Quote from: "VariousArtist"
This was maybe cos I had an empty taskgroup after Ive moved the ships to another one. The taskgroup was finally gone when Ive closed and reopened the task group screen:
Steve: I think there's an underlying issue here that the F12 screen doesn't refresh when a fleet is deleted/destroyed (usually through combat), and so a lot of issues are generated when people try to pick the phantom fleet from the pulldown list (I've done so myself). Is there any way you can put a "refresh F12 if it's open" hook into the fleet removal code and cut these off at the source?
John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 28, 2010, 01:48:53 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
In v5.0, if a ship is destroyed in combat and the fleet window is open, the list of fleets will be refreshed.Quote from: "VariousArtist"This was maybe cos I had an empty taskgroup after Ive moved the ships to another one. The taskgroup was finally gone when Ive closed and reopened the task group screen:Steve: I think there's an underlying issue here that the F12 screen doesn't refresh when a fleet is deleted/destroyed (usually through combat), and so a lot of issues are generated when people try to pick the phantom fleet from the pulldown list (I've done so myself). Is there any way you can put a "refresh F12 if it's open" hook into the fleet removal code and cut these off at the source?
Steve
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on January 28, 2010, 03:08:10 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
related (3.82)Quote from: "sloanjh"In v5.0, if a ship is destroyed in combat and the fleet window is open, the list of fleets will be refreshed.Quote from: "VariousArtist"This was maybe cos I had an empty taskgroup after Ive moved the ships to another one. The taskgroup was finally gone when Ive closed and reopened the task group screen:Steve: I think there's an underlying issue here that the F12 screen doesn't refresh when a fleet is deleted/destroyed (usually through combat), and so a lot of issues are generated when people try to pick the phantom fleet from the pulldown list (I've done so myself). Is there any way you can put a "refresh F12 if it's open" hook into the fleet removal code and cut these off at the source?
Steve
I just had a group disappear into a JP to "", the group became a ghost force.
Selecting it through the pulldown threw an error and did not really select it.
The group in the lower right subscreen was still the previously selected one.
Also deleting the group just deleted the previously selected group.
Not sure whether the JP issue has been addressed in more recent versions yet, but it happens sometimes when a JP links back to a known system (also seen when exploring JPs in SM mode BTW)
doing anything in the galacticmap causes a series of WP related errors, but they can be ignored.
Usually deleting the "" JP and its linked partner temporarily solves the issue (although it seems to happen again and again for certain systems), in a played game exploring in SMmode to find the culprit is not really conductive to immersive gameplay though.
So I played on and another ship explored the "Unknown" system.
If you are interested Steve, I'll look up the error numbers and exact wordings.
-Areyar
Post by: Vanigo on January 28, 2010, 04:20:29 PM
Edit: Looking at the SM log, there doesn't appear to be a battle going on at all. Also, here's the errors I got:
Error in AssignWeapons
Error 3035 was generated by DAO.Database
System resource exceeded.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)
4th November 2039 04:09:21,SM Only,System 0,Error in AssignWeapons
Error 3420 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Object invalid or no longer set.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)
Post by: Kishmond on January 28, 2010, 04:35:18 PM
Post by: Yonder on January 28, 2010, 05:23:09 PM
Edit: I realized that I should switch to SM mode and save that log, when I do that I can see that for the last 3 weeks a Precursor ship has been shooting a load of missiles at an NPR every 38 minutes. I'd love for you to tell me how he hasn't either killed his foe yet, or run out of ammunition.
Post by: mrwigggles on January 28, 2010, 05:29:09 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "mrwigggles"Possible Bug:That is normal. A Diplomacy team is assigned on the foreign relations window and represents the diplomatic activity directed toward a particular alien race, rather than the presence of that team on an alien world.
When leaving a diplomacy team on a owned planet, its diplomacy skill increases.
Steve
Ah, then let me also include that I don't have the said team assigned to any other races.
(So, I don't need to build a speedy jump ship to land the team then GTFO there?)
Post by: VariousArtist on January 29, 2010, 06:27:58 AM
When Ive tried to pause a research:
Error in cmdPause_Click
Error 381 was generated by MSFlexGrid
Subscript out of range
I cant pause research!
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Intelligence - Just had flag for another empire - guess thats no contact, yet. When I tried to change mil. cooperation level:
Error in optStatus_Click
Error381 -invalid property array index
Error in optStatus_Click
Error 3078 was generated by DAO.Database
and 5x
Error 91 was gen. by Aurora
Object variable or With block variable not set
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When picking a Task Group on the Task Group Screen:
Error in ReturnTimeCurrency
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
No idea to what this was related - it just disapeared after a while.
--------------------
and, when advancing time,again a lot of
Error in NPRPopPlanning
error 3420 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Post by: Charlie Beeler on January 29, 2010, 08:16:49 AM
There appears to be an issue it the routine for calc'ing fighter engine power output, specificly when applying efficiency/power tech. Example: Ion fighter engine base power is 36. Set E/P to -30%/+15% power becomes 42. (36*1.15 = 41.4) I'd been assuming the rounding was to next integer. Set E/P to -40%/+20% expected result was 44, instead it remains 42. (36*1.2 = 43.2).
I using a modified v4.91 database. None of the changes are to power systems only turret tracking speed, gauss cannon size, rate, and velocity.
Engines in question also have thermal reduction 35% and fuel efficiency .6 techs applied. Neither should affect actual power output if my understanding is correct.
Post by: Andrew on January 29, 2010, 09:55:49 AM
Post by: Hawkeye on January 29, 2010, 12:52:48 PM
I found a few comercial jump engines on Mars.
So I send a few freighters to pick them up and bring them to Earth, where all the shipyards are.
After flying back and forth, the jumpengines are still on Mars, while Earth shows 0 commercial jumpengines (obviously, they are too large to fit into the holds of one of my frighters)
Now to the bug: I can deconstruct the 0 jumpengine, which shows then -1 JE, again deconstructing -2 and so on, apparently infinitely. Best of all, I got a level on jump engine efficiency the second or third time I did this. Just to look how far it would go, I deconstructed ´til -21, then scraped the thing.
I did pay a price, however: scraping -21 jump engines got me -907 wealth, -181t Duranium and -725t Sorium
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on January 29, 2010, 01:10:45 PM
Quote from: "Hawkeye"
I just got the following:
I found a few comercial jump engines on Mars.
So I send a few freighters to pick them up and bring them to Earth, where all the shipyards are.
After flying back and forth, the jumpengines are still on Mars, while Earth shows 0 commercial jumpengines (obviously, they are too large to fit into the holds of one of my frighters)
Now to the bug: I can deconstruct the 0 jumpengine, which shows then -1 JE, again deconstructing -2 and so on, apparently infinitely. Best of all, I got a level on jump engine efficiency the second or third time I did this. Just to look how far it would go, I deconstructed ´til -21, then scraped the thing.
I did pay a price, however: scraping -21 jump engines got me -907 wealth, -181t Duranium and -725t Sorium
Reported same above (for 4.82)
As far bas I can tell, it happens when the Fleet cargospace is not big enough for the components. components cannot be transported as fractions, like installations can.
I only had it happen for huge components like terraformers and salvagers. This in a fleet large enough for two mines. It transported engines and scanners just fine.
-Ar
Post by: Baron Of Hell on January 29, 2010, 06:44:17 PM
Error 3077 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Syntax error (missing operator) in expression.
Got this error after trying to retool a ship with new jump drive. Pops up every turn now.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on January 29, 2010, 08:28:56 PM
A ship will use the data available at the time an order is given, not the actual data at the time the task is performed/attempted.
situation:
send a ship towards a planet to drop off two teams, once there the first order will get canceled because the target is not a pop.
Now make it a pop, advance time, the second drop team task will also cancel due to the target not being a pop.
reissuing the orders once the body has been designated a pop will allow the team to be dropped as it was supposed to.
-Ar (now updated to 3.92!)
Post by: Baron Of Hell on January 30, 2010, 12:36:36 AM
Quote from: "Baron Of Hell"
v4.91
Error 3077 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Syntax error (missing operator) in expression.
Got this error after trying to retool a ship with new jump drive. Pops up every turn now.
Thus error has gone away. I have no idea why.
Post by: Andrew on January 30, 2010, 04:43:28 AM
Post by: Father Tim on January 30, 2010, 05:36:00 AM
Post by: Father Tim on January 30, 2010, 08:39:55 AM
"Mineral shortage (Neutronium) in Ground Unit Training for Alzarius"
The mineral shortage message for Production does not:
"Mineral shortage in Production of Convert Conventional Ind to Industrial Capacity at Alzarius"
On the (F2) 'Population & Production' window, the Production ("Amount Remaining") and Research ("RP Required") tabs count down your progress on each task, whereas the Shipbuilding ("Progress") and Ground Unit Training ("TP Accumulated") count up
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 30, 2010, 09:58:13 AM
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on January 30, 2010, 09:59:48 AM
Quote from: "Yonder"
I have had the game pass in 38 minute increments for the last couple months, I saved the event log to a .txt but there wasn't any more info in that. I will email the database to you in a rar.Fixed for v5.0. Caused by Precursor FACs who wouldn't fire because they thought they needed to reload and wouldn't reload because their magazines were already full.
Edit: I realized that I should switch to SM mode and save that log, when I do that I can see that for the last 3 weeks a Precursor ship has been shooting a load of missiles at an NPR every 38 minutes. I'd love for you to tell me how he hasn't either killed his foe yet, or run out of ammunition.
Steve
Post by: mikew on January 30, 2010, 11:28:13 AM
Edit - This is with 4.91, about 17 game years elapsed since first start.
Edit again - OK, the problem is not repeating endlessly (not quite anyway). It seems to be repeaating 4 times for every 5 second update (checked with 5 and 30 second updates, 4 errors for the five second update and 24 for the 30 second update). I don't think I'll try a day or 30 day update because I don't plan to make that many mouseclicks.
Found the problem. An exploration fleet had a conditional order to join its parent fleet if fuel dropped below 30%, but there never was a parent fleet for it. I have this assigned to the ships of the exploration fleet. I probably accidentally assigned it to the fleet some time ago, but didn't have an error until it attempted to carry out those orders.
Mike
Post by: sloanjh on January 30, 2010, 11:53:02 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Fixed for v5.0. Caused by Precursor FACs who wouldn't fire because they thought they needed to reload and wouldn't reload because their magazines were already full.
LOL - Sounds like a Star Trek plot line....
John
Post by: Father Tim on January 30, 2010, 11:54:40 AM
Post by: sloanjh on January 30, 2010, 12:15:23 PM
John
PS - if/when you fix this, could you add a reply to the "Fighter questions" FAQ pointing out that the definition of "qualifying engines" has changed? Ditto if you take up the suggestion that allows any kind of engine in a fighter. Thanks.
Post by: a1s on January 30, 2010, 05:03:11 PM
Post by: Balibar on January 30, 2010, 07:08:31 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
The ship being overhauled does not have an 'Abandon Overhaul' order available. I am guessing that is because it is not in port. I will post in the Bugs Forum.Quote from: "Balibar"How do you cancel an overhaul? I gave an order for Battle TG to return to Earth, refuel, resupply and overhaul. So far, so good. The fleet has a cruiser and a destroyer. The cruiser was too large for the maintenance facility and I got a message that it could not be overhauled. The destroyer had an indication for overhaul. So far, so good.
I put the fleet on Task Force Training thinking that would cancel overhaul. The fleet went out on maneuvers, but the destroyer is still listed as on overhaul. Now the fleet is out of orbit and if I give a move to Earth command I get an error saying that ships on overhaul cannot accept orders.
Is there any way to cancel the overhaul?
There is an "Abandon Overhaul" order available, just like "Move To" - try clicking on Earth and you'll see it. Note that it takes time to abandon an overhaul, since it's kind of hard for the ship to sail when its engines are lying in pieces on the deck.
The behavior you described about maneuvers sounds like a bug (the TG should refuse all orders when in overhaul) - you should probably post it to the Bugs thread....
John
Post by: mrwigggles on January 30, 2010, 10:23:01 PM
It currently says in the event window: FH Gato 001 has been given conditional orders to unload 90% fuel at at NOT FOUND and move to a gas giant.
Then it gives me a order completion notice.
These things are a honky 100+t, and a pretty hefty investment.
Post by: Erik L on January 30, 2010, 10:25:58 PM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
I made fuel harvester, and set it to have the optional order of unloading 90% of its fuel then move to a sodium giant.
It currently says in the event window: FH Gato 001 has been given conditional orders to unload 90% fuel at at NOT FOUND and move to a gas giant.
Then it gives me a order completion notice.
These things are a honky 100+t, and a pretty hefty investment.
What was the fuel situation on it out of the yards? 100% or 10%?
Post by: mrwigggles on January 30, 2010, 10:55:23 PM
Quote from: "mikew"
During a turn, I received an error 5, invalid procedure call or argument. Seems to be repeating endlessly. Killing the process and starting again, this happens whenever I try to advance the timeline.
Mike
I got the same error, and it repeated for a half dozen times.
Post by: Vanigo on January 30, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
Also, I've got some civilian colony ships full of colonists sitting in Earth orbit after they tried and failed to load more. I know this was reported before, but is there a workaround or a fix, short of blowing the things up? It's not breaking the game, I just kinda want them free to move people around again.
Edit: Oh, wait, there's a clear orders button. Solves that problem.
Post by: sloanjh on January 31, 2010, 12:34:33 AM
I recently had precursors blow up survey ship A, commanded by Ethan OConnor. The commander made it to a life pod. This was on July 20. On August 4, he was rescued by ship B commanded by Patrick Matthews, which arrived back at Earth (to a hero's welcome) on August 18 (now).
If I look at ship B's task group in the Officers/Misc tab of the F12 screen, it says that both OConnor and Matthews are on board, with Matthews being unoccupied. So far so good. The fun came when I went to try to get OConnor off the ship - according to the Leader (F4) screen, OConnor is already in command of another ship! His log says that he was assigned command of ship C on July 21 (while he was sitting in a life pod) and assigned to ship D on August 1. I strongly suspect that the July 21 assignment was an auto-assign - Aurora saw he wasn't doing anything better :-)
3) I shouldn't be able to assign a commander in a lifepod to another ship, even if "all locations" is turned on
John
Post by: backstab on January 31, 2010, 01:48:06 AM
[attachment=0:66pg9kyl]Error.jpg[/attachment:66pg9kyl]
I think it might have to do with the number of player nations because if I delete one of the nations and re start, I do not get this error.
Post by: mrwigggles on January 31, 2010, 02:42:22 AM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
Quote from: "mrwigggles"I made fuel harvester, and set it to have the optional order of unloading 90% of its fuel then move to a sodium giant.
It currently says in the event window: FH Gato 001 has been given conditional orders to unload 90% fuel at at NOT FOUND and move to a gas giant.
Then it gives me a order completion notice.
These things are a honky 100+t, and a pretty hefty investment.
What was the fuel situation on it out of the yards? 100% or 10%?
They were full of fuel. I sent them back to earth to unload 90 percent, and I got Error in Unloadingfuel DOA error.
Post by: mrwigggles on January 31, 2010, 04:18:15 AM
Post by: Trueknight on January 31, 2010, 01:47:18 PM
Now i think i found out something more about it.
While trying to mymic the setup of the latest Steve's fiction, Exodus, i put a conventional empire on Earth, and set it as an NPR (i later found out that the AI can't work as an NPR on my same planet, but i don't know if it's related).
In the first attempt, i was myself a conventional empire: when i first click ok, I get
"Error in CreateShip
Error 3021 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Impossible to add or modify the record. In the table "Fleet" is necessary a related record"
(Roughly translated from italian).
followed by
"Error in AddShipHistory
Error 3021 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Impossible to add or modify the record. In the table "Ship" is necessary a related record"
and
"Error in FillShipMagazine
Error 3021 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Impossible to add or modify the record. In the table "Ship" is necessary a related record"
Those 3 repeat thmeselves about 30 times. After that, the game resume normally.
But when i first give a 5 days time increment, I get
"Error in NPRPopPlanning
Error 3021 was generated by DAO.Field
No record present
Exactly the SAME error i got every turn in my previous game!!
The only difference is that i've to click "ok" 13 times instead of one. After that the game resume normally until i move the time forward, then history repeats itself.
I managed to duplicate that every time i tried; if i start the game with a Trans-newtonian empire and add a conventional NPR to my planet, i don't get the first sequence of errors (the one about Ships and Fleet) but i still have the problem after the 5days.
If i add a Trans-newtonian NPR, or a conventional empire player (non NPR) on Earth, i don't get any problem at all.
To me looks like the problem it's related to a conventional NPR, maybe getting in the same planet with another one. It's possible?
I can send my DB, but actually it's pretty easy to duplicate this one. Just start a normal game and add a conventional empire as NPR on Earth using F9 display, then move on the time.
Post by: sloanjh on January 31, 2010, 02:03:01 PM
Quote from: "Trueknight"
While trying to mymic the setup of the latest Steve's fiction, Exodus, i put a conventional empire on Earth, and set it as an NPR (i later found out that the AI can't work as an NPR on my same planet, but i don't know if it's related).
One thing to remember about conventional starts is that you don't have any shipbuilding tech yet. The sorts of errors you're seeing seem to be related to shipbuilding, i.e. Aurora is trying to set up ships for the empire.
Here's the crucial question: does the computer, or do you, have control of the NPR. The way to tell is to try to select a default race (ctrl-R, or look in the Game pulldown on the main menu bar). If the NPR doesn't show up, then the computer is controlling it.
My understanding is that Aurora does NOT allow conventional, computer-controlled NPR - the AI involved in navigating the transition is too much for Steve to code up at this time. My guess is that this is what's going on.
If you actually see the NPR race when you try to select the default race, then you should be able to simply go to that race (which you have to do anyway to control it) and delete the ships that are causing the problems. I doubt that this is what's going on, however, since I think that NPRPopPlanning is only run by computer-controlled NPR.
John
PS - While you're a new user, could you please post issues like this to The Academy, rather than to the bugs thread? Aurora generally works, so if you hit a catastrophic failure like this then it's probably user error rather than a bug. Thanks!
Post by: Trueknight on January 31, 2010, 02:32:17 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
My understanding is that Aurora does NOT allow conventional, computer-controlled NPR - the AI involved in navigating the transition is too much for Steve to code up at this time. My guess is that this is what's going on.
PS - While you're a new user, could you please post issues like this to The Academy, rather than to the bugs thread? Aurora generally works, so if you hit a catastrophic failure like this then it's probably user error rather than a bug. Thanks!
Oh...that could explain the part about ships and fleets...i suspected but i failed to see anywhere a warning about computer controlled NPR, so i needed confirmation.
But, as you said, i think that the NPRPopulation part it's related to something else. Moreover, in my previous game it appeared in the middle of a game, after I played about 10 years, and nothing i did could affect it, since, in that case, I hadn't created any NPR.
If it was a cpu-controlled conventional NPR that caused it, it was Aurora that put it there, so I think it classify as a bug.
Anyway, if i find out something else i'll post it first in the Academy section, just to be sure.
Post by: Uberman7788 on January 31, 2010, 03:16:56 PM
When I go to create a new game, no new window with new options pop up.
Also, a frequent error message pops up that will not allow me to play the game:
Error 3265 was generated by DAO.fields
Item not found in this collection
Please report to stevewalmsley@btinternet.com
Post by: sloanjh on January 31, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Quote from: "Uberman7788"
The game will not run properly.Please read the "Getting the game to run FAQ" in the FAQ section. What is almost certainly going on is that something has gone wrong during your installation process (you need to follow the directions very carefully). If you still can't get it to work, please post your issue in the "Installation Problems" thread of The Academy. Please also read the "Where to post FAQ".
When I go to create a new game, no new window with new options pop up.
Also, a frequent error message pops up that will not allow me to play the game:
Error 3265 was generated by DAO.fields
Item not found in this collection
Please report to stevewalmsley@btinternet.com
John
Post by: Paul on January 31, 2010, 04:53:58 PM
10 days later I see: "Civilian Construction: Iqbal Logistics has launched a new Guardian class Planetary Defence Centre"
Wait, what? The civilians launched a PDC? I go and look, sure enough they've launched a 50 ton "PDC" that contains nothing but a small crew quarters.
I guess now the civilians will be defending earth with a PDC crewed by 1 person as soon as I finish the design
Post by: Father Tim on January 31, 2010, 05:46:13 PM
Quote from: "Paul"
10 days later I see: "Civilian Construction: Iqbal Logistics has launched a new Guardian class Planetary Defence Centre"
This is not really a bug. You created a "classified as civilian" design and a shipping line built it, as they had the money. This is all 'working as intended'. You can prevent further construction by marking the Guardian class as 'obsoloete' until you put some military systems on it.
Post by: Paul on January 31, 2010, 08:01:32 PM
In any case, this design was classed as a PDC - why should a civilian ever build a PDC, whether or not it has military components? What on earth would a civ do with an immobile defense base?
Post by: sloanjh on January 31, 2010, 08:43:42 PM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
Quote from: "Paul"10 days later I see: "Civilian Construction: Iqbal Logistics has launched a new Guardian class Planetary Defence Centre"
This is not really a bug. You created a "classified as civilian" design and a shipping line built it, as they had the money. This is all 'working as intended'. You can prevent further construction by marking the Guardian class as 'obsoloete' until you put some military systems on it.
I've already reported this one upthread as a bug. IMHO, civies should only build passenger, colony, or cargo ships. Unless Steve puts in "jail" PDCs - civies are known to run those too
The good news is that they don't seem to do any harm.
John
Post by: Paul on January 31, 2010, 08:50:49 PM
I was afraid an immobile civ PDC would cause errors, and I couldn't figure out a way to use SM mode to delete it, so I went back to last year's savegame (I back up my games every 2-3 years just in case I run into a game breaking problem or something).
Post by: Father Tim on February 01, 2010, 07:25:15 AM
Post by: VariousArtist on February 01, 2010, 09:17:48 AM
I had a survey ship in my neighboring system that had grav sensors only. While being quite far outside the system I suddenly picked up lots of strengh 1 explosions in the center of the system. Also a mass of life pods popped up on my system view. Im not sure if I shouldnt have been too far away from them to spot them?
But the strangest thing was that I left the system asap and when the system was empty (my only ship there left) I still saw explosions and more pods spawing in this system. Bug?
Post by: Father Tim on February 01, 2010, 10:27:45 AM
Quote from: "VariousArtist"
Ok, Ive encountered a sensor issue that might be a bug.
I had a survey ship in my neighboring system that had grav sensors only. While being quite far outside the system I suddenly picked up lots of strengh 1 explosions in the center of the system. Also a mass of life pods popped up on my system view. Im not sure if I shouldnt have been too far away from them to spot them?
But the strangest thing was that I left the system asap and when the system was empty (my only ship there left) I still saw explosions and more pods spawing in this system. Bug?
Aye, bug. Although life pod carry transponders and should be seen from anywhere in the same system (they're essentially screaming "Help me! Help me! Help me!" non-stop until they die).
Post by: nichaey on February 01, 2010, 11:05:26 PM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
I made fuel harvester, and set it to have the optional order of unloading 90% of its fuel then move to a sodium giant.this, only I tested it a bit further
It currently says in the event window: FH Gato 001 has been given conditional orders to unload 90% fuel at at NOT FOUND and move to a gas giant.
Then it gives me a order completion notice.
These things are a honky 100+t, and a pretty hefty investment.
I emptied the fuel a bit by flying to pluto, then tried to harvest sorium at jupiter (which didn't work because it jupiter doesn't have sorium deposit (another bug perhaps?))
but after succesfully harvesting at neptune the ships moved to earth, but didn't unload fuel or any of the subsequent steps.
hope this helps
Post by: mrwigggles on February 02, 2010, 02:36:47 AM
Quote from: "nichaey"
Quote from: "mrwigggles"I made fuel harvester, and set it to have the optional order of unloading 90% of its fuel then move to a sodium giant.this, only I tested it a bit further
It currently says in the event window: FH Gato 001 has been given conditional orders to unload 90% fuel at at NOT FOUND and move to a gas giant.
Then it gives me a order completion notice.
These things are a honky 100+t, and a pretty hefty investment.
I emptied the fuel a bit by flying to pluto, then tried to harvest sorium at jupiter (which didn't work because it jupiter doesn't have sorium deposit (another bug perhaps?))
but after succesfully harvesting at neptune the ships moved to earth, but didn't unload fuel or any of the subsequent steps.
hope this helps
So is happen because their initially full tanks are causing the bug? I will try this out. I'm not hurting for fuel have over a hundred million liters, but all the sodium I know of has been mine, so it'll be needed.
Post by: nichaey on February 02, 2010, 08:18:34 AM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
Quote from: "nichaey"Quote from: "mrwigggles"I made fuel harvester, and set it to have the optional order of unloading 90% of its fuel then move to a sodium giant.this, only I tested it a bit further
It currently says in the event window: FH Gato 001 has been given conditional orders to unload 90% fuel at at NOT FOUND and move to a gas giant.
Then it gives me a order completion notice.
These things are a honky 100+t, and a pretty hefty investment.
I emptied the fuel a bit by flying to pluto, then tried to harvest sorium at jupiter (which didn't work because it jupiter doesn't have sorium deposit (another bug perhaps?))
but after succesfully harvesting at neptune the ships moved to earth, but didn't unload fuel or any of the subsequent steps.
hope this helps
So is happen because their initially full tanks are causing the bug? I will try this out. I'm not hurting for fuel have over a hundred million liters, but all the sodium I know of has been mine, so it'll be needed.
well the problem is a mistype for the get_nearest_colony function in the sequence I'm pretty sure. All I managed to do was prove that the first part of the order still works
Also, hello from bay12
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 08:29:51 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
Adding the "hyper-capable" attribute to a fighter engine makes the holding ship not-a-fighter. Not sure if this is intended or not....The problem was that the class design function treated a fighter as a ship with a 1 HS engine. Adding hyper capability made the engine larger than 1 HS. Now it accepts any engines smaller than 5 HS as a fighter engine.
John
PS - if/when you fix this, could you add a reply to the "Fighter questions" FAQ pointing out that the definition of "qualifying engines" has changed? Ditto if you take up the suggestion that allows any kind of engine in a fighter. Thanks.
I have added the following text to the FAQ
"EDIT from Steve: A qualifying engine in v4.91 or earlier is an engine of exactly 1 HS. A qualifying engine in v5.0 will be an engine less than 5 HS. Note that adding hyper-capability to an engine will increase its size, which means that hyper-capable 'fighter engines' in v4.91 will disqualify a ship from being a fighter. They will be fine in v5.0"
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 08:36:25 AM
Quote from: "Trueknight"
You can't have AI-controlled conventional Empires, although I agree this isn't mentioned anywhere. For v5.0, I have changed the Create Empire window so that selecting a conventional race disables the option to create as an NPR. I have also changed the NPR checkbox to read:Quote from: "sloanjh"
My understanding is that Aurora does NOT allow conventional, computer-controlled NPR - the AI involved in navigating the transition is too much for Steve to code up at this time. My guess is that this is what's going on.
PS - While you're a new user, could you please post issues like this to The Academy, rather than to the bugs thread? Aurora generally works, so if you hit a catastrophic failure like this then it's probably user error rather than a bug. Thanks!
Oh...that could explain the part about ships and fleets...i suspected but i failed to see anywhere a warning about computer controlled NPR, so i needed confirmation.
But, as you said, i think that the NPRPopulation part it's related to something else. Moreover, in my previous game it appeared in the middle of a game, after I played about 10 years, and nothing i did could affect it, since, in that case, I hadn't created any NPR.
If it was a cpu-controlled conventional NPR that caused it, it was Aurora that put it there, so I think it classify as a bug.
Anyway, if i find out something else i'll post it first in the Academy section, just to be sure.
"Create as Computer-Controlled Empire (NPR) - not applicable for conventional Empires"
Steve
Post by: Trueknight on February 02, 2010, 08:50:59 AM
Still, i encountered again the "Error in NPRPopPlanning" i reported before in another test game; just 2 years in the game this time, and again i've created no NPR, just the ones the game usually make at start.
Do you think that could be related with the fact i usually start as a conventional empire?
BTW every time I start a game as conventional, what kind of NPR is created? TN, i suppose...
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 08:51:56 AM
Quote from: "Paul"
Haha, this is a good one. I copied an existing ship, striped it down and made it into a PDC as a precursor to making my new missile PDC. I then designed some components and began researching the PDC based missile launcher and beam fire control and I was going to finish the design as soon as I had the parts ready.
10 days later I see: "Civilian Construction: Iqbal Logistics has launched a new Guardian class Planetary Defence Centre"
Wait, what? The civilians launched a PDC? I go and look, sure enough they've launched a 50 ton "PDC" that contains nothing but a small crew quarters.
I guess now the civilians will be defending earth with a PDC crewed by 1 person as soon as I finish the design :)
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 08:55:20 AM
Quote from: "Paul"
I thought they only built ships that were actually useful for something? Like cargo ships, colony ships, and luxury liners (or rather, ships with cargo bays, cryo storage, and room for passengers). They've never built my terraformers, troop transports, or gate construction ships.Civilians build ships based on their type. such as freighter, colony ship, etc. There must have been something about this design that caused the class design code to classify it as a cargo ship or colony ship. The extra check about not buliding PDcs should avoid anything similar in future. I have also added a check to prevent civilians building ships slower than 100 km/s in case they try and build a half-completed design.
In any case, this design was classed as a PDC - why should a civilian ever build a PDC, whether or not it has military components? What on earth would a civ do with an immobile defense base?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 08:56:58 AM
Quote from: "VariousArtist"
Ok, Ive encountered a sensor issue that might be a bug.Life pods and explosions can be seen by any ship in a system, regardless of sensor capability. The ability to see explosions without a ship in the system sounds like a bug. Did you have any colonies in the system, even a listening post?
I had a survey ship in my neighboring system that had grav sensors only. While being quite far outside the system I suddenly picked up lots of strengh 1 explosions in the center of the system. Also a mass of life pods popped up on my system view. Im not sure if I shouldnt have been too far away from them to spot them?
But the strangest thing was that I left the system asap and when the system was empty (my only ship there left) I still saw explosions and more pods spawing in this system. Bug?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 08:57:48 AM
Quote from: "nichaey"
I emptied the fuel a bit by flying to pluto, then tried to harvest sorium at jupiter (which didn't work because it jupiter doesn't have sorium deposit (another bug perhaps?))Only a few gas giants have Sorium
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 09:06:59 AM
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: "a1s"
While you can not assign scientists to research technologies you don't have perquisites for, you can however queue such technologies (with the "all projects" radio-button), no matter how far down the line they are (without queuing previous ones).Fixed for v5.0
Steve
Post by: VariousArtist on February 02, 2010, 09:12:12 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
No Steve, there was only that one ship in the system that I had withdrawn - no other assets.Quote from: "VariousArtist"Ok, Ive encountered a sensor issue that might be a bug.Life pods and explosions can be seen by any ship in a system, regardless of sensor capability. The ability to see explosions without a ship in the system sounds like a bug. Did you have any colonies in the system, even a listening post?
I had a survey ship in my neighboring system that had grav sensors only. While being quite far outside the system I suddenly picked up lots of strengh 1 explosions in the center of the system. Also a mass of life pods popped up on my system view. Im not sure if I shouldnt have been too far away from them to spot them?
But the strangest thing was that I left the system asap and when the system was empty (my only ship there left) I still saw explosions and more pods spawing in this system. Bug?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 09:31:52 AM
Quote from: "backstab"
Trying to start a campaign with 21 player nations on earth. When I start the game up, I get this error ...I created an array to hold the IDs for player races for the new checks on interrupts (so I didn't have to check the database). It only has 20 slots
[attachment=0:3lpzro1v]Error.jpg[/attachment:3lpzro1v]
I think it might have to do with the number of player nations because if I delete one of the nations and re start, I do not get this error.
. I have changed it to 50 for v5.0Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 09:43:23 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
Another aspect of officer assignment being broken:I have encountered something similar myself. The problem was that commanders are auto-assigned if they are not already assigned or in a team. Lifepods were not being checked so I have corrected that for v5.0. I have also greyed out the Assign button on the Commanders window if a commander is in a lifepod
I recently had precursors blow up survey ship A, commanded by Ethan OConnor. The commander made it to a life pod. This was on July 20. On August 4, he was rescued by ship B commanded by Patrick Matthews, which arrived back at Earth (to a hero's welcome) on August 18 (now).
If I look at ship B's task group in the Officers/Misc tab of the F12 screen, it says that both OConnor and Matthews are on board, with Matthews being unoccupied. So far so good. The fun came when I went to try to get OConnor off the ship - according to the Leader (F4) screen, OConnor is already in command of another ship! His log says that he was assigned command of ship C on July 21 (while he was sitting in a life pod) and assigned to ship D on August 1. I strongly suspect that the July 21 assignment was an auto-assign - Aurora saw he wasn't doing anything better :-)
3) I shouldn't be able to assign a commander in a lifepod to another ship, even if "all locations" is turned on
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:04:30 AM
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"
Steve,There was some sort of weird rounding effect going on. I have changed engine power to be a currency variable instead of an integer and everything is working fine. It also allows engines to have fractional power in v5.0
There appears to be an issue it the routine for calc'ing fighter engine power output, specificly when applying efficiency/power tech. Example: Ion fighter engine base power is 36. Set E/P to -30%/+15% power becomes 42. (36*1.15 = 41.4) I'd been assuming the rounding was to next integer. Set E/P to -40%/+20% expected result was 44, instead it remains 42. (36*1.2 = 43.2).
I using a modified v4.91 database. None of the changes are to power systems only turret tracking speed, gauss cannon size, rate, and velocity.
Engines in question also have thermal reduction 35% and fuel efficiency .6 techs applied. Neither should affect actual power output if my understanding is correct.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:05:42 AM
Quote from: "Baron Of Hell"
v4.91Does the ship name or the class name contain an apostrophe?
Error 3077 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Syntax error (missing operator) in expression.
Got this error after trying to retool a ship with new jump drive. Pops up every turn now.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:09:48 AM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
Turning off 'Realistic Officer Promotions' does not turn off the 'up-or-out' function, resulting in Aurora firing 90% of my officer corps when I wished to retain them.The Up or Out is controlled by the auto-assignment option, not realistic promotions
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on February 02, 2010, 10:16:25 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Paul"I thought they only built ships that were actually useful for something? Like cargo ships, colony ships, and luxury liners (or rather, ships with cargo bays, cryo storage, and room for passengers). They've never built my terraformers, troop transports, or gate construction ships.Civilians build ships based on their type. such as freighter, colony ship, etc. There must have been something about this design that caused the class design code to classify it as a cargo ship or colony ship. The extra check about not buliding PDcs should avoid anything similar in future. I have also added a check to prevent civilians building ships slower than 100 km/s in case they try and build a half-completed design.
In any case, this design was classed as a PDC - why should a civilian ever build a PDC, whether or not it has military components? What on earth would a civ do with an immobile defense base?
Steve
You might also want to avoid unlocked designs....
John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:17:58 AM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
Is it a bug when a task uses data that is out of date?The destination Population ID is set at the time the order is issued. In some cases, setting an unload order will create the colony but over time the implementation of this has become patchy. I have corrected it so the following orders will now automatically create a colony at the destination.
A ship will use the data available at the time an order is given, not the actual data at the time the task is performed/attempted.
situation:
send a ship towards a planet to drop off two teams, once there the first order will get canceled because the target is not a pop.
Now make it a pop, advance time, the second drop team task will also cancel due to the target not being a pop.
reissuing the orders once the body has been designated a pop will allow the team to be dropped as it was supposed to.-Ar (now updated to 3.92!)
Unload Fuel Refinery
Unload Construction Factory
Unload Mine
Unload Infrastructure
Unload Automated Mine
Unload Tracking Station
Unload <Mineral Name>
Unload All Minerals
Unload Ground Unit from Transport Bay
Unload All Ground Units from Transport Bay
Unload All Installations
Drop Off Team
Unload Research Lab Components
Unload Maintenance Facility
Unload Mass Driver
Unload PDC Component
Unload Terraforming Installation Components
Combat Drop Ground Unit
Unload Ordnance Factory
Unload Fighter Factory
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on February 02, 2010, 10:20:48 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "a1s"While you can not assign scientists to research technologies you don't have perquisites for, you can however queue such technologies (with the "all projects" radio-button), no matter how far down the line they are (without queuing previous ones).Fixed for v5.0
Steve
This was actually a useful feature (which I never used
). An annoyance with queuing right now is that I can't queue the next tech in a tech sequence until the existing one is researched. So if I want to bump mining by 3 levels, I'd like to set "Joe Scientist" to research the first level and queue the next level. As it is, I need to queue a different project (so as not to loose the spare change when the first level finishes), then cancel and adjust when the first level finishes.John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:25:48 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
You might also want to avoid unlocked designs....I like the principle but I am concerned about the law of unintended consequences. Sometimes I might design something for the civilians, like a luxury liner, that won't get automatically locked because I will never build it myself. I guess I could lock it manually but I would probably forget
. I also unlock things sometimes so I can check it out before copying it and don't always remember to re-lock it.Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:32:52 AM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
The mineral shortage message for a shipyard expansion or ground unit training task includes the mineral name in the message:Fixed for v5.0
"Mineral shortage (Neutronium) in Ground Unit Training for Alzarius"
The mineral shortage message for Production does not:
"Mineral shortage in Production of Convert Conventional Ind to Industrial Capacity at Alzarius"
Stee
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:39:11 AM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
On the (F2) 'Population & Production' window, the Production ("Amount Remaining") and Research ("RP Required") tabs count down your progress on each task, whereas the Shipbuilding ("Progress") and Ground Unit Training ("TP Accumulated") count upIndustry and Research both use actual amounts whereas Shipbuilding uses a percentage. Ground Units do use an amount so I have changed those to TP Remaining rather than TP Accumulated.
I could change any or all of them from actual amounts to percentages though. Perhaps those tasks that involve a single item, such as shipbuilding, ground forces and research should use a percentage while tasks involving multiple items, such as industry, should use the actual amount remaining.
Steve
Post by: Father Tim on February 02, 2010, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Father Tim"Turning off 'Realistic Officer Promotions' does not turn off the 'up-or-out' function, resulting in Aurora firing 90% of my officer corps when I wished to retain them.The Up or Out is controlled by the auto-assignment option, not realistic promotions
Steve
I don't think so, since I never use auto-assignments. Not only was the option turned off every time I encountered the problem, it had never even been turned on in this game.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:47:25 AM
Quote from: "mrwigggles"
When in the design turret window, without having a laser design and research, you click on a turret barrel other then one, it sends it into a none terminating loop of error message.I have added a check that disables the Create button and option buttons in the turret window if you haven't designed any beams. You also get a popup message asking that you design beams before designing turrets.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:53:48 AM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
There is something weird going on then. The code that checks for retirements is contained within a loop created by this SQLQuote from: "Steve Walmsley"I don't think so, since I never use auto-assignments. Not only was the option turned off every time I encountered the problem, it had never even been turned on in this game.Quote from: "Father Tim"Turning off 'Realistic Officer Promotions' does not turn off the 'up-or-out' function, resulting in Aurora firing 90% of my officer corps when I wished to retain them.The Up or Out is controlled by the auto-assignment option, not realistic promotions
sSQL = "select * from Race where chkAutoAssign = 1 and GameID = " & GameID
Set rsRaceList = dbStarfire.OpenRecordset(sSQL, dbOpenDynaset)
Do While rsRaceList.EOF = False
It then goes into a loop for each qualifying race and within that loop is the retirement check code. Unless the auto-assign flag is set for a particular race, the retirement code is never called.
Has the program made any automatic assignments in this particular game?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 10:56:39 AM
Quote from: "Vanigo"
I've run into what may be some sort of infinite loop. My game started running in five-second intervals last night, presumably because two NPRs were fighting somewhere. I left the game running overnight to wait it out. When I came back, four game hours had passed, and the game had thrown up a "System resource exceeded" error - which is weird, because my pagefile was nowhere near full. When I hit okay, it complained about an object that no longer existed a couple times, then being out of resources again. I had to force-quit. When I brought the game back up, it wasn't giving the error anymore, but it's still in 5-second intervals. Even aside from the error, isn't that a hell of a long battle?If you still have this problem, please could you send me the zipped-up database. My email is stevewalmsley at btinternet.com and the database is the Stevefire.mdb file
Edit: Looking at the SM log, there doesn't appear to be a battle going on at all. Also, here's the errors I got:
Error in AssignWeapons
Error 3035 was generated by DAO.Database
System resource exceeded.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)
4th November 2039 04:09:21,SM Only,System 0,Error in AssignWeapons
Error 3420 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Object invalid or no longer set.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)
Steve
Post by: Father Tim on February 02, 2010, 10:58:47 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Has the program made any automatic assignments in this particular game?
Steve
None that I'm aware of.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 11:19:21 AM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
also a typo: neutrotic in officer traits should probably be neurotic.Corrected for v5.0
Steve
Post by: solops on February 02, 2010, 03:04:32 PM
"Error in NPRPop Planning
Error 91 was generated by Aurora
Object variable or With block variable not set"
The error is not fatal and I keep playing, but what is happeneing on the alien worlds I can only guess.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 02, 2010, 03:28:18 PM
Quote from: "solops"
I keep getting ans Error 91 when I generate a turn (usually 1+ days). Sometimes the error pops up multiple times. Sometimes not.Its already fixed for v5.0. It is annoying but it doesn't cause any problems. The code is trying to close the same database object twice and the second time throws the error because the object no longer exists.
"Error in NPRPop Planning
Error 91 was generated by Aurora
Object variable or With block variable not set"
The error is not fatal and I keep playing, but what is happeneing on the alien worlds I can only guess.
Steve
Post by: VariousArtist on February 02, 2010, 06:07:52 PM
Quote from: "mikew"
During a turn, I received an error 5, invalid procedure call or argument. Seems to be repeating endlessly. Killing the process and starting again, this happens whenever I try to advance the timeline.I have this one, too, but it seems to repeat endlessly (4.91). Not 100% sure what its related too, but reading your edit gives me an idea that it might be cos a grav ship has a conditional order to refuel at the next tanker. The tanker is/was in a fleet with 2 scouts and when Ive detached the scouts they kept the TFs name while the tankers name was changed when the grav ship was already heading for it.
Edit - This is with 4.91, about 17 game years elapsed since first start.
Edit again - OK, the problem is not repeating endlessly (not quite anyway). It seems to be repeaating 4 times for every 5 second update (checked with 5 and 30 second updates, 4 errors for the five second update and 24 for the 30 second update). I don't think I'll try a day or 30 day update because I don't plan to make that many mouseclicks.
Found the problem. An exploration fleet had a conditional order to join its parent fleet if fuel dropped below 30%, but there never was a parent fleet for it. I have this assigned to the ships of the exploration fleet. I probably accidentally assigned it to the fleet some time ago, but didn't have an error until it attempted to carry out those orders.
Mike
1. Ive assembled the fleet again - error stays
2. Ive deleted the orders of both fleet - cond. order gave the grav ship a new order to refuel at the right fleet - error stays
3. Ive cleared the cond. orders and let both TFs do nothing - error stays
Well, last try to save my game by checking the lots of other ships and maybe delete the orders, but if I cant I will be a really sad panda.
(Ive backuped and RARed the database in case Steve wants to have a look what was going wrong)
Post by: Toloran on February 02, 2010, 06:17:56 PM
- In my normal game where I constructed all my jump gates, my colony ships (without jump engines) could easily be set up to do automatic load/unload colonist commands but now it doesn't work.
- In my normal game, my Jump Engine survey ships could easily path back to Earth to refuel when their conditional order told them to. However in my B5 game, my survey ships without jump engines will give me a "There isn't a colony or tanker available" error.
In both instances, I can manually set their orders and they work fine. I'm not sure what is wrong but I'm thinking the automatic subroutine that checks to see if location within 4 jumps can be reached, it's not registering the jump gates. However, I've noticed a few places where it still DOES work but only for a single jump. This applies to civilian vessels as well who don't know how to go to other systems anymore.
Post by: Erik L on February 02, 2010, 06:24:28 PM
Error in populateresearchqueue
Error 3077
Syntax error (missing operator) in expression.
I'm guessing this is because I had the project queued already.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 02, 2010, 06:45:34 PM
I had accidentally deleted the fueltank from a shipdesign, I cheated and updated the design (via newarmour etc), the completed ships stayed the old version though (which is a good thing IMHO.), so I decided to refit them. The design was theoretically identical though because I did not go through the copy-edit-refit method.
So, you can refit a ship to it's redesigned classdesign, this is indicated to take 0 minerals and 0 time, but actually progress is blank.
It also causes several errors that appear when an economy screen is opened.
error 6 overflow in getMineralUsage
error 6 overflow in populateShipyardTasks
x2
each error report repeated for each faulty task.
advancing time also triggers these errors. (when the economy screen is opened always, otherwise only if construction is progressed)
Progress does advance, at least the refit is completes at the next construction turn (6-10 days).
(maybe associated bug: refuel orders are completed and are not removed from orders list of other fleet, causing time to increment in 30min steps, because of orders completed interrupt. deleting the refuel order solves this.)
Now this is buggy, but it is also caused by using an exploit. karma.
-Arnoud
Post by: umiman on February 03, 2010, 04:11:06 AM
Error in PointBlankPDFire
Error 5 was generated by Aurora
Invalid procedure call or argument
It's really not letting me proceed with the game at all since the error doesn't stop appearing.
Any fixes?
Post by: Mini on February 03, 2010, 08:16:58 AM
Error in cmdTask
Error 381
Invalid property array index.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 03, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
in UseFuel:
error 91 Object variable or With block variable not set
error 92 for loop not initialized
error 424 Object required
(these repeat a bunch of times in varying frequency, but the joining fleets were quite large so I lost count)
circumstances:
when joining fleets to core fleet on exercises via [recall escorts] command.
also erroneous event messages : "fleet X has run out of fuel" for joined (and no longer seperated Taskforce) fleets
-cheers
Areyar
Post by: Hawkeye on February 03, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
4.92
4.92?
Did I miss an update ´cause I´m pretty sure I am still at 4.91???
Post by: Erik L on February 03, 2010, 12:18:01 PM
Quote from: "Hawkeye"
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"4.92
4.92?
Did I miss an update ´cause I´m pretty sure I am still at 4.91???
4.91 is the last here.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 03, 2010, 12:34:30 PM
Quote from: "Hawkeye"
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"4.92
4.92?
Did I miss an update ´cause I´m pretty sure I am still at 4.91???
Heh!
No you are right, I lost count at 4.90.
I'll edit my posts.
Little harm done, next version will likely be v5.00.
-Areyar
Post by: Vanigo on February 03, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Post by: sloanjh on February 03, 2010, 09:41:57 PM
1) (Primary): I managed to tell my TG with a battalion-sized assault shuttle to load a battalion from my TG with a battalion size troop bay (huzzah!
) then gave it a 5-second update to see what happened. It claimed to have completed the order (which I thought was weird, since it should take a long time), but when I looked at the TG, it still had a "Combat load Marines 07th from Fleet 1st Invasion 01" order in plotted moves, which it thought had 9 hours and 36 minutes to go. I hit the 1-day advance button, and got another "orders completed" message 30 minutes later (at the end of the 1st sub-pulse). I did it again, and the same thing happened. I also noticed that the 9:36 time remaining isn't going down, so this is technically a hang. I fixed it by simply deleting the order, but it's still a problem.The rest are more suggestions, than bugs, but since I'm here....
2) It took me a while to figure out how to transfer the troops - there seems to be only one configuration that works (assault shuttle and transport in different TG, assault shuttle's TG selected with a load-from order targeting the transport). A few things that should probably work but don't:
A) In addition to the "load-from" there's a "load-within", but it doesn't appear when I select the troop transport's TG and target the assault shuttle's. I didn't try unchecking the order filtering box, but this should probably show up for any TG with TT bays and/or battalions loaded. Also, the wording for these two orders is somewhat confusing - it's not clear which fleet is being talked about.
B) I originally tried putting both assault shuttle and transport in the same TG, but when I tried to view TG as targets for that TG, it looks like it was being filtered out. So I don't think there's a way to load drop bays from troop bays within the same TG.
C) Ditto for loading within the same ship - I was thinking of putting drop bays into my transport, but couldn't figure out how they could be loaded.
D) I don't think there's any way to choose which drop bay is loaded if there are multiple ships with drop bays available in the TG.
Given all the above (especially the last), it doesn't feel like the the troop transfer interface really belongs on the orders screen. How about this for an idea - do it through the F6 screen on a ship-by-ship basis (which is where it used to be, IIRC), except set a "transferring troops" state on any ships participating in a transfer. This state would be similar to the overhaul state - it would immobilize the ships' TG, and include an "expiration date" in the DB for when the loading was complete. So the F12 display would show ships which were transferring troops as e.g. "Napoleon (loading troops, 6:32 remaining)" in the same way ships show an overhaul state on that screen.
John
Post by: Andrew on February 04, 2010, 06:48:32 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
I seem to be having troubles transferring Marines between ships in deep space (at a waypoint).It is certainly possible to move troops from tranpsort bays to drop bays in the same TF, It is however impossible to choose which drop bay they load into which is a problem .
1) (Primary): I managed to tell my TG with a battalion-sized assault shuttle to load a battalion from my TG with a battalion size troop bay (huzzah!
The rest are more suggestions, than bugs, but since I'm here....
2) It took me a while to figure out how to transfer the troops - there seems to be only one configuration that works (assault shuttle and transport in different TG, assault shuttle's TG selected with a load-from order targeting the transport). A few things that should probably work but don't:
A) In addition to the "load-from" there's a "load-within", but it doesn't appear when I select the troop transport's TG and target the assault shuttle's. I didn't try unchecking the order filtering box, but this should probably show up for any TG with TT bays and/or battalions loaded. Also, the wording for these two orders is somewhat confusing - it's not clear which fleet is being talked about.
B) I originally tried putting both assault shuttle and transport in the same TG, but when I tried to view TG as targets for that TG, it looks like it was being filtered out. So I don't think there's a way to load drop bays from troop bays within the same TG.
C) Ditto for loading within the same ship - I was thinking of putting drop bays into my transport, but couldn't figure out how they could be loaded.
D) I don't think there's any way to choose which drop bay is loaded if there are multiple ships with drop bays available in the TG.
Given all the above (especially the last), it doesn't feel like the the troop transfer interface really belongs on the orders screen. How about this for an idea - do it through the F6 screen on a ship-by-ship basis (which is where it used to be, IIRC), except set a "transferring troops" state on any ships participating in a transfer. This state would be similar to the overhaul state - it would immobilize the ships' TG, and include an "expiration date" in the DB for when the loading was complete. So the F12 display would show ships which were transferring troops as e.g. "Napoleon (loading troops, 6:32 remaining)" in the same way ships show an overhaul state on that screen.
John
I have had some problems with loading troop orders , it seems that as soon as the task of loading a ground unit into a transport bay or drop bay is started they are moved across after the first time increment, you can then cancel the order and save yourslef a lot of time.
I have also aquired a Ghost Marine company which is sitting in a cmbat drop module losing efficiency with regular reports in the events screen, however the shuttle carrying the company was destroyed by enemy fire before it could drop them.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 04, 2010, 08:09:23 AM
This not only cancels the orders but also makes it dump its cargo!
This seems rather unethical to me. :p
* edit: turns out this was normal, I had an unlocked design without engines that the corp decided to build.
(I gather this has already been fixed for 5.0)
Post by: Balibar on February 04, 2010, 09:23:02 AM
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 04, 2010, 09:30:38 AM
Quote from: "Balibar"
I managed to Design a missle fire control with zero range -- twice. I believe that what happened was that prior to hitting create, the last thing I did was click the Antenna size parameter. It was highlighted as 4, but the design got created with a range of zero. When I clicked some other drop box and then clicked Create the design came out as intended but had the same name. One cannot tell there is zero range until the racial tech is researched then the design shows up in the Item List as a zero range fire control.
I have seen this for beam FCs, but I think this was intended as they were developed for gauss.
Are you sure your antennasize did not accidentally get reduced to 0.33?
-
a cosmetic bug in racial techs:
My lasers have one or several [TAB] in front of their names/entries in the build ship component tab of Industry.
AFAIK this effect is limited to this screen.
--
a typo or misnamed event:
circumstances: when using terraformer to remove a gas (methane), I forgot to set the safe atmosphere to zero.
the event reads:
Gas Added : Subtraction of Methane to atmosphere of Colony#1 has been halted as specified atm has been reached.
Clearly it should be:
Gas Removed : Subtraction of Methane from atmosphere of Colony #1 has been halted as specified atm has been reached.
even better would be:
Environmental Report: Subtraction of Methane from atmosphere of Colony #1 has been halted as specified conditions have been met.
--
related to troops/teams existing on after destruction of transport. (probably already reported multiple times)
Teams that are left on a pop that is abandoned still exist, but have no location.
The officers still live, but need to be deassigned from the team manually through the leaders interface, they will then be reassigned to Homeworld.
Post by: Balibar on February 04, 2010, 09:55:51 AM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
I have seen this for beam FCs, but I think this was intended as they were developed for gauss.I am not sure the first time, but I am absolutely certain the second time that the number was a highlighted 4. Even if I had reduced the size to 0.33, the range should not have been zero. A small number, but not zero.
Are you sure your antennasize did not accidentally get reduced to 0.33?
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 04, 2010, 02:45:11 PM
In the meantime, the workaround is to go into the DB and delete any missile salvos belonging to precursors that have the salvo name of Captor Mine. If you don't know how to do this, you could send me the DB and I will fix it and send it back as soon as I get the chance.
EDIT: Fixed for v5.0. NPRs will now target and destroy buoys and mines. I also fixed a problem that was preventing Precursor captor mines from opening fire.
Steve
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 04, 2010, 04:35:57 PM
lockup error
in FilterCommanders
several errors (which I forgot to write down)
followedby an endless series of
91 Object variable or With block not set
While switching from army officers to naval officers, had just checked the army filter with s (accidentally trying to filter on survey bonus).
I can see that the Ability A selector is blank.
resetting. ooh that threw a runtime 265 error.
kay. SM event error on:
error 381
Invalid Property Array index (in FilterCommanders)
error 3078
generated by DAO database. the Microsoft JET database cannot find the input table or querry ''. make sure that its name is spelled correctly.
error91 x3
error 381
error 3078
the Microsoft JET database cannot find the input table or querry ' and CommanderType=0 and r.Priority <= 7'. Make sure it exists and that its name is spelled correctly.
error91 x498
<interrupt>
-Cheers
Post by: Kishmond on February 04, 2010, 05:48:03 PM
"Error 3420 was generated by DAO.Recordset
Object invalid or no longer set."
After every construction cycle, only now it's freezing up for a long time or crashing completely.
Post by: Vanigo on February 04, 2010, 06:06:20 PM
Error in CreateDesign
Error 3201 was generated by DAO.Recordset
You cannot add or change a record because a related record is required in table 'TechSystem'.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)
Post by: Kurt on February 04, 2010, 09:56:48 PM
This is actually a 4.77 bug, and I first reported it in the 4.61 bug forum here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&hilit=Engineer (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&hilit=Engineer)
Your response was here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&p=16919&hilit=+Engineer#p16919 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&p=16919&hilit=+Engineer#p16919)
my response to your response <G> was lower down on the same page.
I am having the same problem as before, only now in 4.77. I have engineers on one of Saturn's moons trying to assemble a pre-fabbed PDC, and it occurred to me that they had been there for quite a while and I hadn't seen a completion notice, so I checked. It has been almost exactly two years since they started a job that was slated to take one year to complete, and they are still working at that job, with nothing completed, and an estimated completion date still one year in the future. You noted in the old bug forum that you were unable to recreate this, can I send you my database?
Kurt
Post by: MoonDragon on February 04, 2010, 11:06:28 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Gas giant or Superjovian: "gg" + random number from 1-10
Steve
There is a bug with that (should probably post in the bug thread). If you custom select one of the ggX.jpg images from the F9 screen, it will toss an error eventually. You need to rename the file on disk with a single g (e.g. gX.jpg) to make it work. To test, try changing Jupiter's image to what Jupiter should really look like. Should give you an error next time you try to bring up the system display.
*edit* Since I'm so good, this has been moved and merged into the bug thread
Post by: sloanjh on February 04, 2010, 11:27:24 PM
Quote from: "Balibar"
I managed to Design a missle fire control with zero range -- twice. I believe that what happened was that prior to hitting create, the last thing I did was click the Antenna size parameter. It was highlighted as 4, but the design got created with a range of zero. When I clicked some other drop box and then clicked Create the design came out as intended but had the same name. One cannot tell there is zero range until the racial tech is researched then the design shows up in the Item List as a zero range fire control.
I think this happened to me in a previous game - never figured out when it had happened, though.
John
Post by: a1s on February 05, 2010, 06:18:27 AM
)edit:
also I keep forgetting to report the following bug (it's been in since 4.7): when you look at a magazine contents from Individual Sip Details-parasites/missiles, "Mg capacity" shows how much space the missiles already inside take up, rather than how much space is left (or how much there is total).
a unit left in a ship's drop module (or, say forgotten there after boarding) before abandoning will continue to lose morale, even though it properly doesn't exit...
Post by: MoonDragon on February 05, 2010, 02:24:55 PM
p.s. Thanks to the mod (Erik?) for moving my post here. Sorry to have caused the controversy in the other thread.
Post by: Charlie Beeler on February 05, 2010, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
EDIT: Fixed for v5.0. NPRs will now target and destroy buoys and mines. I also fixed a problem that was preventing Precursor captor mines from opening fire.
Steve
Oh @#%$#$^% Now I have to worry about Precursors laying mine fields!!!
Actually glad to see this. I presume that NPR's are also potentially using mines.
Post by: saenz on February 05, 2010, 03:10:59 PM
Here's the best exploit ever: Clicking the "New Armor" button on the ship design screen ungrey's the "Unlock" button.
The crazy thing is that this includes ships already in service, and any changes you make get instantly applied to every ship using that design. I've been using this "feature" to rapidly upgrade and repurpose my ships. This includes building 1k ships and then redesigning them as 40k whales.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 05, 2010, 03:36:56 PM
Quote from: "saenz"
I've searched the forums, but oddly enough, I couldn't find this mentioned yet...You can also unlock a design in SM mode and do the same thing. This ability is in the game to allow you to correct honest mistakes, such as forgetting to put cargo handling facilities on a freighter design or reactors on a beam warship, that otherwise would involve a huge amount of messing about. If you wish you can use this ability to instantly make your small ships into dreadnoughts outside of the normal sequence of play. The question is really why would you want to? In Aurora, there are a lot of ways to give yourself advantages. You can switch on SM mode and add 100 research labs or add a thousand battleships using the Create OB function. However, as this is primarily a solitaire game, there would seem little benefit in doing so.
Here's the best exploit ever: Clicking the "New Armor" button on the ship design screen ungrey's the "Unlock" button.
The crazy thing is that this includes ships already in service, and any changes you make get instantly applied to every ship using that design. I've been using this "feature" to rapidly upgrade and repurpose my ships. This includes building 1k ships and then redesigning them as 40k whales.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 05, 2010, 03:38:06 PM
Quote from: "Charlie Beeler"
Just Precursors at the moment. I wanted to test out on a small sample size first. Once it is working OK, I will add to NPRs as wellQuote from: "Steve Walmsley"EDIT: Fixed for v5.0. NPRs will now target and destroy buoys and mines. I also fixed a problem that was preventing Precursor captor mines from opening fire.
Steve
Oh @#%$#$^% Now I have to worry about Precursors laying mine fields!!!
Actually glad to see this. I presume that NPR's are also potentially using mines.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 05, 2010, 03:41:00 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
I'm not sure how much of a bug this really is, but I had some prefabricated engines. I queued up some ships in my shipyard, then realized that I wanted to pre-fabricate some more components. Cancelled the construction before advancing time at all, and found that the engines that were used for ship construction are now gone.
p.s. Thanks to the mod (Erik?) for moving my post here. Sorry to have caused the controversy in the other thread. :)
Aurora doesn't keep track of which prefab components were used to create a ship design. Unfortunately, that means that if you cancel that ship, you have lost the components. As a workaround, you can go into SM mode and give yourself the components back using the SM Add button on the Industry tab.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 05, 2010, 03:47:12 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
v4.91I have reproduced it. Thanks for the detailed description - that helped a lot. Typing in the s caused the dropdown to change to no entry. The code for the filtering was assuming that a null value wasn't possible, which is what caused the errors. I have fixed it for v5.0. In the meantime, if you type something in the dropdown and a bonus isn't selected, make sure you change to one of the bonuses before doing anything else on that window.
lockup error
in FilterCommanders
several errors (which I forgot to write down)
followedby an endless series of
91 Object variable or With block not set
While switching from army officers to naval officers, had just checked the army filter with s (accidentally trying to filter on survey bonus).
I can see that the Ability A selector is blank.
resetting. ooh that threw a runtime 265 error.
kay. SM event error on:
error 381
Invalid Property Array index (in FilterCommanders)
error 3078
generated by DAO database. the Microsoft JET database cannot find the input table or querry ''. make sure that its name is spelled correctly.
error91 x3
error 381
error 3078
the Microsoft JET database cannot find the input table or querry ' and CommanderType=0 and r.Priority <= 7'. Make sure it exists and that its name is spelled correctly.
error91 x498
<interrupt>
-Cheers
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on February 05, 2010, 04:06:44 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Aurora doesn't keep track of which prefab components were used to create a ship design. Unfortunately, that means that if you cancel that ship, you have lost the components. As a workaround, you can go into SM mode and give yourself the components back using the SM Add button on the Industry tab.
I might have already logged this one, but I'll mention it again here - SM add doesn't seem to go active for PDC components. Ship components seem to be ok, though.
John
Post by: VariousArtist on February 05, 2010, 04:15:16 PM
Quote from: "Vanigo"
My civilian shipping lines (except passenger liners) all froze up in a game while I had a contract up to move infrastructure to an outsystem colony. When I deleted the contract and cleared the freighters' orders, they started working again. I made a thread about the issue here (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2152). I'm not sure, but I've got a gut feeling that the problem was that there were two routes to the colony system, and I had built jump gates along the longer one (since the shorter had precursors).Same here, but theres only 1 gate route to the colonies and Im sure theyve transported a massdriver. The luxus liners from my 2nd line seem to work fine. Will try to delete the contracts to see if they move again.
Post by: Vanigo on February 05, 2010, 04:38:36 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
I'm not sure how much of a bug this really is, but I had some prefabricated engines. I queued up some ships in my shipyard, then realized that I wanted to pre-fabricate some more components. Cancelled the construction before advancing time at all, and found that the engines that were used for ship construction are now gone.Same thing happens with prefab PDCs, and in this case there's no keeping track of components to worry about.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 05, 2010, 05:01:42 PM
Quote from: "VariousArtist"
I had similar problems in my current campaign where civilians wouldn't do anything. Once I removed the contracts, everything returned to normal. I have found the problem and fixed so everything is working correctly again in v5.0Quote from: "Vanigo"My civilian shipping lines (except passenger liners) all froze up in a game while I had a contract up to move infrastructure to an outsystem colony. When I deleted the contract and cleared the freighters' orders, they started working again. I made a thread about the issue here (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2152). I'm not sure, but I've got a gut feeling that the problem was that there were two routes to the colony system, and I had built jump gates along the longer one (since the shorter had precursors).Same here, but theres only 1 gate route to the colonies and Im sure theyve transported a massdriver. The luxus liners from my 2nd line seem to work fine. Will try to delete the contracts to see if they move again.
Steve
Post by: MoonDragon on February 05, 2010, 07:42:03 PM
Post by: Kishmond on February 05, 2010, 11:08:38 PM
Error in FireAllWeapons
Error 94 was generated by Aurora
Invalid use of Null
It's my first time in combat and I think it's been happening since I clicked 'Open Fire' with no target designated. It happens every single turn. And the first missile is due to hit in 9 hours. In five second increments. This is going to be fun...
Post by: Yonder on February 06, 2010, 08:17:17 AM
).Now I am getting several copies of two different errors each turn. Error 3049 is occurring in "AddToShippingLineWealth" and Error 3709 in "UpdateDatabasePostMovement."
If I click through the errors I can continue playing every turn, but it takes awhile as there are usually 10-20 of them, and I am unsure if this is having a bad effect behind the scenes.
Could I email you the database and see what you can do?
Edit:
Uh oh, another more pressing error, no idea if it is connected to the blue screen. One of my task forces is currently undergoing overhaul, sort of. It says that they are undergoing overhaul, but the maintenance clock is still increasing, and things are still breaking. Worse, if I give them an order (like resupply) it tells me that they can't do that because some ships in the fleet are undergoing maintenance. Finally "Abandon Overhaul" is not a possible order. At this rate they will run out of maintenance supplies and explode.
Edit 2: I was hoping I could do some refits or repairs to those ships via the shipyard instead, but they don't show up as possible candidates for any of those Shipyard tasks. Ships in another task force that is successfully Overhauling do.
Post by: Brian Neumann on February 06, 2010, 09:37:38 AM
Brian
Post by: sloanjh on February 06, 2010, 10:05:54 AM
Quote from: "Yonder"
I had a blue screen in between my turns (very doubtful that this was Aurora's fault, I get blue screens fairly regularlyCan you restore to a recent save? That's probably your best bet. There's an FAQ on saving games that might be helpful if you haven't already read it.
Now I am getting several copies of two different errors each turn. Error 3049 is occurring in "AddToShippingLineWealth" and Error 3709 in "UpdateDatabasePostMovement."
If I click through the errors I can continue playing every turn, but it takes awhile as there are usually 10-20 of them, and I am unsure if this is having a bad effect behind the scenes.
Could I email you the database and see what you can do?
Edit:
Uh oh, another more pressing error, no idea if it is connected to the blue screen. One of my task forces is currently undergoing overhaul, sort of. It says that they are undergoing overhaul, but the maintenance clock is still increasing, and things are still breaking. Worse, if I give them an order (like resupply) it tells me that they can't do that because some ships in the fleet are undergoing maintenance. Finally "Abandon Overhaul" is not a possible order. At this rate they will run out of maintenance supplies and explode.
Edit 2: I was hoping I could do some refits or repairs to those ships via the shipyard instead, but they don't show up as possible candidates for any of those Shipyard tasks. Ships in another task force that is successfully Overhauling do.
EDIT: If you don't have a saved game, you might try to get rid of the errors:
1) Save a copy of your DB so you can recover if things get worse.
2) Go to all the civie ships and hit the cancel orders button - that might solve the popups.
3) Delete the entire TG in question, then make a new one (with new ships) using SM mode and Instant OOB. Don't forget to assign any officers on the ships (including their commanders) to "unassigned" and off the ship (you can use the "reset" button on the F4 screen for that) before deleting the ships.
John
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 06, 2010, 11:28:25 AM
Quote from: "umiman"
Two alien races I've never met are duking it out in someplace I've never been and they're spamming me with this error:I have found and fixed this problem for v5.0. Thanks to Thorgarth for the DB. It is caused by point blank defence fire when a population, shipyard or ground unit is being defended. Unfortunately, it is a problem in the code so it is not possible to fix it within v4.91. This is a serious bug and it means I will have to make early release of v5.0 a priority
Error in PointBlankPDFire
Error 5 was generated by Aurora
Invalid procedure call or argument
It's really not letting me proceed with the game at all since the error doesn't stop appearing.
Any fixes?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 06, 2010, 11:33:54 AM
Quote from: "Brian"
Small craft ECCM 2 does not exist currently. It goes from 1 straight to 3. Small craft ECM 2 does exist.It is in the DB and doesn't appear to be any different than the other ECCM techs. Do you have Compact Electronic Counter-countermeasures - 4 researched, as that is the pre-requisite?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 06, 2010, 11:34:51 AM
Quote from: "Kishmond"
I'm now gettingNo idea on this one. Could you send me the DB? Please zip up Stevefire.mdb and send it to stevewalmsley at btinternet.com
Error in FireAllWeapons
Error 94 was generated by Aurora
Invalid use of Null
It's my first time in combat and I think it's been happening since I clicked 'Open Fire' with no target designated. It happens every single turn. And the first missile is due to hit in 9 hours. In five second increments. This is going to be fun...
Steve
Post by: Yonder on February 06, 2010, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
Quote from: "Yonder"I had a blue screen in between my turns (very doubtful that this was Aurora's fault, I get blue screens fairly regularlyCan you restore to a recent save? That's probably your best bet. There's an FAQ on saving games that might be helpful if you haven't already read it.
Now I am getting several copies of two different errors each turn. Error 3049 is occurring in "AddToShippingLineWealth" and Error 3709 in "UpdateDatabasePostMovement."
If I click through the errors I can continue playing every turn, but it takes awhile as there are usually 10-20 of them, and I am unsure if this is having a bad effect behind the scenes.
Could I email you the database and see what you can do?
Edit:
Uh oh, another more pressing error, no idea if it is connected to the blue screen. One of my task forces is currently undergoing overhaul, sort of. It says that they are undergoing overhaul, but the maintenance clock is still increasing, and things are still breaking. Worse, if I give them an order (like resupply) it tells me that they can't do that because some ships in the fleet are undergoing maintenance. Finally "Abandon Overhaul" is not a possible order. At this rate they will run out of maintenance supplies and explode.
Edit 2: I was hoping I could do some refits or repairs to those ships via the shipyard instead, but they don't show up as possible candidates for any of those Shipyard tasks. Ships in another task force that is successfully Overhauling do.
EDIT: If you don't have a saved game, you might try to get rid of the errors:
1) Save a copy of your DB so you can recover if things get worse.
2) Go to all the civie ships and hit the cancel orders button - that might solve the popups.
3) Delete the entire TG in question, then make a new one (with new ships) using SM mode and Instant OOB. Don't forget to assign any officers on the ships (including their commanders) to "unassigned" and off the ship (you can use the "reset" button on the F4 screen for that) before deleting the ships.
John
Thanks for the response, I went through and cleared out the civilian orders (murdering tens of thousands of dwarves in cryosleep) and that did give me a respite from the "AddToShippingLineWealth" errors, although not the other ones. It was just for the turn though, once they started going on missions and making money again the same thing happened.
If I destroy and remake the task force in question is there a way I can increase the crew's skill in SM mode? They have been flying around for a decade now and I don't want to lose that. On a related note, can I transfer skilled crew from one ship to another?
Post by: Caesar on February 06, 2010, 02:12:55 PM
[spoiler:2thnvec9]Error in LaunchSystemWindow
Error 713 was generated by Aurora
Class not registered.
You need the following file to be installed on your machine. MSSTDFMT.DLL.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)[/spoiler:2thnvec9]
I don't recall making any mistakes with installing Aurora.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 06, 2010, 03:36:51 PM
Quote from: "Caesar"
Every time I press F9 to go to the system information screen as described in the tutorial in the wiki, or whenever I click system view in the System map, I get the following error;If you check the FAQ post on "Getting the game to run questions", this is the first question addressed.
[spoiler:3kwikrsl]Error in LaunchSystemWindow
Error 713 was generated by Aurora
Class not registered.
You need the following file to be installed on your machine. MSSTDFMT.DLL.
Please report to viewforum.php?f=11 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewforum.php?f=11)[/spoiler:3kwikrsl]
I don't recall making any mistakes with installing Aurora.
viewtopic.php?f=100&t=2031 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=2031)
Steve
Post by: Kishmond on February 06, 2010, 04:05:09 PM
Post by: Shinanygnz on February 06, 2010, 04:51:14 PM
However, whilst I think "silly" is not the right word, I see where you're coming from having had it happen too. "Mildly irksome" might be better. Steve, perhaps you could add a check so that when you run out of names, it prompts you to select a new theme? A bit of work for you, then less for us
Stephen
Post by: sloanjh on February 06, 2010, 06:46:42 PM
). One thing that came up in that thread is that civie designs might have active sensors, as long as they're <= 1 HS.Two issues:
1) Is it possible that the civies are buying e.g. freighters with active sensors, turning them on, seeing player ships, and getting hostility points because the player ships aren't classified as "friendly"?
2) Shouldn't the rating between civies and their home race be "really really friendly" - ISTR having them show up as neutral contacts when I first saw them (although that might have been because I only had them on thermals, not active).
John
Post by: sloanjh on February 06, 2010, 07:09:07 PM
I had an Apache scout with my strike group of FAC. When I told the group to land, the Apache disappeared - I looked on F6 and didn't see it.
John
Post by: Kishmond on February 06, 2010, 09:22:21 PM
Quote from: "Shinanygnz"
Well, there are a limited number of names in each theme. It'd be "sillier" if it just started picking random names from another theme (IMO natch). You just have to change your theme or don't set one and enter them all yourself.
However, whilst I think "silly" is not the right word, I see where you're coming from having had it happen too. "Mildly irksome" might be better. Steve, perhaps you could add a check so that when you run out of names, it prompts you to select a new theme? A bit of work for you, then less for us
Stephen
I mean what it should do is go back to the beginning of the list. It's not that I have a ship for every name in my theme, I was just looking at every name.
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 07, 2010, 03:11:50 AM
Working under the assumption that this was due to the number of sensors giving me a riduculously large tracking strength, I used SM mode to systematically reduce the number of sensors from 71 down to 66, at which point the game ceased giving the overflow. Increasing the number back to 67 returned the error messages.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 07, 2010, 10:55:43 AM
Quote from: "Shinanygnz"
Well, there are a limited number of names in each theme. It'd be "sillier" if it just started picking random names from another theme (IMO natch). You just have to change your theme or don't set one and enter them all yourself.One of the problems with auto-rename is that once a theme name is used, it is discarded. The other option is to only avoid currently used names but the problem then became that every new class has a name you already rejected, which would be even more annoying.
However, whilst I think "silly" is not the right word, I see where you're coming from having had it happen too. "Mildly irksome" might be better. Steve, perhaps you could add a check so that when you run out of names, it prompts you to select a new theme? A bit of work for you, then less for us
There is already a popup in auto-rename for "No New Name Found" I have extended this to "No New Name Found - Please select a new racial theme if you want additional themed class names"
I have also added a new Random Name button to the Class window button that selects a name from a list of all class names for all themes.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 07, 2010, 11:04:57 AM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
There's a thread from micro102, where his civies became inexplicable hostile. He says that he didn't do anything overt to upset them (like mass-packet bombing TerraThe political modifier for civilians starts at 10,000. You would have to do something overtly hostile to upset them, like destroying a civilian ship. I can't see a reason for civs to turn on active sensors as the only NPR code for that involves warships. In any event, Civilians won't have a separate "Alien Race" modifier because the civilian race ID and the player race ID are the same. As the primary key for the AlienRace table is AlienRaceID and ViewRaceID, it is physically impossible for the civilians to have a different attitude to the player than the player has to the civilians.
Two issues:
1) Is it possible that the civies are buying e.g. freighters with active sensors, turning them on, seeing player ships, and getting hostility points because the player ships aren't classified as "friendly"?
2) Shouldn't the rating between civies and their home race be "really really friendly" - ISTR having them show up as neutral contacts when I first saw them (although that might have been because I only had them on thermals, not active).
The only thing I can see that might cause it is planetary bombardment or if the player attacks one of his civilian ships. To avoid this problem in v5.0, I have added a check to the code that updates political modifiers due to damage. If the alien race and the viewing race are the same, the function will exit without changing anything.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 07, 2010, 11:22:33 AM
Quote from: "Osmosis Jones"
Getting an overflow error (error 6) due to the number of planetary deep space tracking installations on Earth, which occurs everytime I attempt to advance a time increment. Advancing five seconds yields the same error, but small enough that the error windows can be clicked through. Attempting to advance a longer time period, e.g. 30 days, yields so many repeats of this error that even highlighting the button and holding down enter for a full minute fails to get rid of them.In the past, this same error occurred when NRRs built a large number of sensors and I fixed it. I hadn't considered the situation where a player would do the same. I'll take a look and see if the best option is to allow greater sensor strength or restrict the max sensor strength. By the way, you really don't need that many sensors. On the other hand, if someone strikes a match on Pluto, you will know about it
Working under the assumption that this was due to the number of sensors giving me a riduculously large tracking strength, I used SM mode to systematically reduce the number of sensors from 71 down to 66, at which point the game ceased giving the overflow. Increasing the number back to 67 returned the error messages.
EDIT: I have added a upper limit to planetary sensor strength of two billion. Any sensors beyond that will have no effect. This is still enough for Earth-based sensors to detect a single tracking station on Pluto.
Steve
Post by: Osmosis Jones on February 07, 2010, 11:13:42 AM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 07, 2010, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: "Osmosis Jones"
Oh, I know it's overkill, but DSTSs are so cheap, it seemed rude not to overengineer them. At my current capacity, it took maybe a year to get them into the realm of the ridiculousness. Just out of curiosity, if I research improved DSTSs, will the tracking increase mean I will have to again cull stations?Yes, you wil have to cull again. Its the total sensor strength that is the problem, rather than the physical number of sensors
Steve
Post by: MoonDragon on February 07, 2010, 04:45:08 PM
Design a new PDC. Reopen the class design window, and click new. The type will say that you're designing a ship, but the part list will be filtered for a PDC.
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 07, 2010, 06:24:55 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
Had a bug today (4.91) that confused me, more than hurt the gameplay.
Design a new PDC. Reopen the class design window, and click new. The type will say that you're designing a ship, but the part list will be filtered for a PDC.
True. I had this happen too I remember.
Post by: Ordans on February 07, 2010, 08:36:22 PM
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 08, 2010, 11:50:36 AM
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 08, 2010, 11:51:15 AM
Quote from: "Ordans"
I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menuI haven't seen this one before. Have you had any other problems before this one?
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
Steve
Post by: Ordans on February 08, 2010, 12:49:18 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
No. Every other scren works fine, I can' load the the F9 menuQuote from: "Ordans"I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menuI haven't seen this one before. Have you had any other problems before this one?
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
Steve
But I installed Aurora in other computer and it worked fine
Post by: tanq_tonic on February 08, 2010, 02:40:43 PM
First:
building a PDC, and sometimes the building completes w/ the PDC falling into a "data void".....
not listed on the TG menu anywhere, nor is it listed in the Units menu, nor is it listed in the "units" portion of the class design menu, nor is it able to be commanded through the Leaders menu.
Keep getting messages that it is "out of fuel", so when I go to a TG in orbit around the build point, select a unit from that TG, and go the Miscellaneous tab, that tab allows me to fuel the PDC unit.....
Somehow in the build, the info that this is *my* PDC is lost. Thought that just the reference to this being *my* PDC was lost, but looking at the full list of that type of PDC units, there is no other (not even a "neutral", like the civvie freighters listed in the tab)
Second:
put a contract to move research labs from one planet to another. The contract "counter" doesn't seem to be able to handle counting decimal portions of an infrastructure, as my 25k freighters can handle .05 research labs. This ends up with *every* civvie freighter in existence being routed to the source.
The demand counter also does not seem operable.
This also has the end result of *all* the research labs being moved, as an everlasting supply and demand is maintained.
Second, part deux:
moving 3000 infra from one planet to another via civvie. Make another contract to move another large number, and the decrement on both the supply and demand for the second contract seems to fail out from time to time.
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Nothing bad, just pointing out some glitches..... Still remain awesomely pleased with this gem of a game......
Post by: Kishmond on February 08, 2010, 08:17:21 PM
Quote from: "Ordans"
I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menu
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
How much RAM does that computer have?
Post by: Balibar on February 08, 2010, 09:20:05 PM
Quote from: "Ordans"
I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menuI got the same error this evening. I had opened the F9 window dozens of times earlier without a problem. I exited the game, restarted and I had no problem with the F9 window in the same system.
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
It happened immediately after I explored a new Jump Portal and tried to use F9 to see what I had.
Post by: Balibar on February 08, 2010, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: "Balibar"
I spoke too soon. I usually play with the Economy, Fleet Orders and Event Log Windows open. When I restarted the game, I was able to use F9 without any Windows open. But I was unable to open Economy and Fleet Orders at the same time.Quote from: "Ordans"I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menuI got the same error this evening. I had opened the F9 window dozens of times earlier without a problem. I exited the game, restarted and I had no problem with the F9 window in the same system.
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
It happened immediately after I explored a new Jump Portal and tried to use F9 to see what I had.
I am running XP with 2 Gig RAM.
I am going to shut down and see if that clears it up.
Post by: Balibar on February 08, 2010, 09:38:19 PM
Quote from: "Balibar"
A complete power down and restart solved the problem. Perhaps a memory leak?Quote from: "Balibar"I spoke too soon. I usually play with the Economy, Fleet Orders and Event Log Windows open. When I restarted the game, I was able to use F9 without any Windows open. But I was unable to open Economy and Fleet Orders at the same time.Quote from: "Ordans"I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menuI got the same error this evening. I had opened the F9 window dozens of times earlier without a problem. I exited the game, restarted and I had no problem with the F9 window in the same system.
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
It happened immediately after I explored a new Jump Portal and tried to use F9 to see what I had.
I am running XP with 2 Gig RAM.
I am going to shut down and see if that clears it up.
Post by: Ordans on February 08, 2010, 10:10:30 PM
Quote from: "Kishmond"
How much RAM does that computer have?2 gigs of ram
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 08, 2010, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: "tanq_tonic"
put a contract to move research labs from one planet to another. The contract "counter" doesn't seem to be able to handle counting decimal portions of an infrastructure, as my 25k freighters can handle .05 research labs. This ends up with *every* civvie freighter in existence being routed to the source.I have encountered all of this myself. It is all fixed for v5.0 and civ contracts are working well. I am using them a lot to move things around.
The demand counter also does not seem operable.
This also has the end result of *all* the research labs being moved, as an everlasting supply and demand is maintained.
Second, part deux:
moving 3000 infra from one planet to another via civvie. Make another contract to move another large number, and the decrement on both the supply and demand for the second contract seems to fail out from time to time.
Steve
Post by: nichaey on February 09, 2010, 06:01:31 AM
When I build a PDC it constantly spams the message that it has run out of fuel.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: "Kishmond"
I'm now gettingThanks for the DB. The problem was caused by a fire control somehow getting a null target ID. I haven't figured out how it happened yet but the solution is to clear the second fire control on Tirpitz 01.
Error in FireAllWeapons
Error 94 was generated by Aurora
Invalid use of Null
It's my first time in combat and I think it's been happening since I clicked 'Open Fire' with no target designated. It happens every single turn. And the first missile is due to hit in 9 hours. In five second increments. This is going to be fun...
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:45:19 AM
Before a ship opens fire, a function is called that returns the System Type. 1 for Nebula and 0 for normal. If the ship is a missile ship it will only fire if the system type is not equal to 1. Unfortunately, the function was returning a boolean value, not a long, which meant it returned -1 instead of 1, which the firing check code accepted as normal because it wasn't equal to 1 - aargh!
It shouldn't be a major deal in v4.91 because precursor missile ships aren't created in Nebulas. This problem will only occur if a precursor decides to enter a nebula from its original system. If you do get this problem, let me know and I will explain how to fix it.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: "nichaey"
Sorry if this is a repeat, but a quick scan revealed nothing.Do you have shields on the PDC?
When I build a PDC it constantly spams the message that it has run out of fuel.
Steve
Post by: MoonDragon on February 09, 2010, 04:26:32 PM
I sent my whole TG to overhaul. When the main ship was finished and told me so in the events, I erroneously assumed that the whole group was finished, so I went to the TG page, found the group in question and got them to start their fleet training.
They've been zipping all over the inner Sol system for a while, when I finally decided to give them some orders. I was told I cannot order ships undergoing overhaul. It turns out that the escort ships were not finished with their overhaul yet. But, since they started zooming around with the main ship, they were accruing time on their clock. So, I had several ships, stuck in the middle of space, unable to be given orders because they are stuck in "overhaul" mode, but still accruing clock time. I sort of fixed it as best as I could with SM mode (SM moved to Earth and then told to cancel overhaul).
But this brings up a bigger problem. Sending a TG to fleet training seems to not follow the regular checks that any other order would follow. So your TG can end up doing things it should not be doing, automatically.
Oh, and I think that ships undergoing fleet training are also ignoring conditional orders. So they will run themselves out of fuel, even if they have conditional orders to refuel when low.
Post by: Vanigo on February 09, 2010, 08:17:07 PM
Post by: Sainthe on February 09, 2010, 08:38:39 PM
I get this when I try to add one size 6.63 fighter with 13.37 available hanger space on my class. It doesn't add any fighters, besides the first one, and refuses to add any more while claiming I don't have enough space, even though their is.
Edit note: I remade the class and it worked properly.
Post by: Lin on February 09, 2010, 09:08:12 PM
The problem is, even scrolling down to see the bottoms, there are no buttons down there! Ship Class Design and Commanders have what looks like the top of a panel, but then the window ends. System Information and Battle Control have their buttons cut off right below the words on them, and Task Groups' are cut off just _above_ the words.
I attempted to use ResizeEnable to fix the problem. However, while I could see the buttons when I stretched the windows down, the moment I let go of the mouse everything rearranged itself to cut the buttons off again.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 10:09:12 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
v4.91I have disabled the Add Moves button and the Fleet Training button if a fleet has ships in overhaul. Fleets in TF Training are specifically excluded from being affected by conditional orders. However, I have no idea why I added that restriction so I have removed it. Acting on a conditional order will end the training mode though.
I sent my whole TG to overhaul. When the main ship was finished and told me so in the events, I erroneously assumed that the whole group was finished, so I went to the TG page, found the group in question and got them to start their fleet training.
They've been zipping all over the inner Sol system for a while, when I finally decided to give them some orders. I was told I cannot order ships undergoing overhaul. It turns out that the escort ships were not finished with their overhaul yet. But, since they started zooming around with the main ship, they were accruing time on their clock. So, I had several ships, stuck in the middle of space, unable to be given orders because they are stuck in "overhaul" mode, but still accruing clock time. I sort of fixed it as best as I could with SM mode (SM moved to Earth and then told to cancel overhaul).
But this brings up a bigger problem. Sending a TG to fleet training seems to not follow the regular checks that any other order would follow. So your TG can end up doing things it should not be doing, automatically.
Oh, and I think that ships undergoing fleet training are also ignoring conditional orders. So they will run themselves out of fuel, even if they have conditional orders to refuel when low.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 10:12:25 PM
Quote from: "Sainthe"
This would exceed the capacity of the class. Amount adjusted for available space.The section of code that checks available hangar space was rounding the space already used. Corrected for v5.0
I get this when I try to add one size 6.63 fighter with 13.37 available hanger space on my class. It doesn't add any fighters, besides the first one, and refuses to add any more while claiming I don't have enough space, even though their is.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:06:36 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
non-parasite Ships in TG which are given "land on mothership" orders are disintegrated.Its not been destroyed - just moved into an alternate dimension
I had an Apache scout with my strike group of FAC. When I told the group to land, the Apache disappeared - I looked on F6 and didn't see it.
. The ship may still be in the database with its fleet set to zero. If it is, then setting the FleetID to a real fleet should restore it.I have fixed the problem for v5.0
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:16:35 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
Not sure what is happening here. Whether SM Add goes active depends on the selection of the dropdown in the top left rather than the contents within each category.Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"Aurora doesn't keep track of which prefab components were used to create a ship design. Unfortunately, that means that if you cancel that ship, you have lost the components. As a workaround, you can go into SM mode and give yourself the components back using the SM Add button on the Industry tab.I might have already logged this one, but I'll mention it again here - SM add doesn't seem to go active for PDC components. Ship components seem to be ok, though.
I've tested it and PDC components are appearing in the list and can be added with SM Add. I don't think you can use components in PDCs anyway. As the construction factories build the PDCs and construction factories build components, I didn't bother adding the code for PDCs to use components because it wouldn't save any time building them separately.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:29:15 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
a cosmetic bug in racial techs:I am seeing this in my own game and I took me a while to figure out why. I hadn't set an alignment for that column in the grid so it was defaulting to left aligned for text but right aligned for any component that started with a number, such as "12cm laser". I have explicitly set the alignment and it is working in v5.0
My lasers have one or several [TAB] in front of their names/entries in the build ship component tab of Industry.
AFAIK this effect is limited to this screen.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:33:42 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
a typo or misnamed event:I used Terraforming Report instead of Environmental Report but otherwise corrected as suggested.
circumstances: when using terraformer to remove a gas (methane), I forgot to set the safe atmosphere to zero.
the event reads:
Gas Added : Subtraction of Methane to atmosphere of Colony#1 has been halted as specified atm has been reached.
Clearly it should be:
Gas Removed : Subtraction of Methane from atmosphere of Colony #1 has been halted as specified atm has been reached.
even better would be:
Environmental Report: Subtraction of Methane from atmosphere of Colony #1 has been halted as specified conditions have been met.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:48:42 PM
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:55:16 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
related to troops/teams existing on after destruction of transport. (probably already reported multiple times)In v5.0, if a pop is abandoned then any ground units are destroyed. Any teams are relocated to a different population, preferably the capital if one exists.
Teams that are left on a pop that is abandoned still exist, but have no location.
The officers still live, but need to be deassigned from the team manually through the leaders interface, they will then be reassigned to Homeworld.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 09, 2010, 11:58:23 PM
Quote from: "Kurt"
Steve -Unfortunately I can't run a v4.77 executable any more so I can't check it directly. It would still be worth sending it though as I can try and figure out the problem directly from the data. Do engineers never work or is it only in certain situations?
This is actually a 4.77 bug, and I first reported it in the 4.61 bug forum here:
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&hilit=Engineer (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&hilit=Engineer)
Your response was here: viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&p=16919&hilit=+Engineer#p16919 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1770&p=16919&hilit=+Engineer#p16919)
my response to your response <G> was lower down on the same page.
I am having the same problem as before, only now in 4.77. I have engineers on one of Saturn's moons trying to assemble a pre-fabbed PDC, and it occurred to me that they had been there for quite a while and I hadn't seen a completion notice, so I checked. It has been almost exactly two years since they started a job that was slated to take one year to complete, and they are still working at that job, with nothing completed, and an estimated completion date still one year in the future. You noted in the old bug forum that you were unable to recreate this, can I send you my database?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 10, 2010, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
4.91, clicking Queue top throws an error. I was attempting to move a project to the top of the queue that was already queued.No, it was a general problem with that button. Fixed for v5.0
Error in populateresearchqueue
Error 3077
Syntax error (missing operator) in expression.
I'm guessing this is because I had the project queued already.
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 10, 2010, 12:22:04 AM
Quote from: "umiman"
Two alien races I've never met are duking it out in someplace I've never been and they're spamming me with this error:Fixed for v5.0 but not fixable for v4.91 without modifying the races involved. If this is still a current game you could send me the DB and I could fix it.
Error in PointBlankPDFire
Error 5 was generated by Aurora
Invalid procedure call or argument
It's really not letting me proceed with the game at all since the error doesn't stop appearing.
Any fixes?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 10, 2010, 12:24:19 AM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
I canceled civvie orders, because a 10000 cap colonyship was just sitting in outerspace moving at 1km/s. *Yes, the civs won't build zero speed designs in v5.0
This not only cancels the orders but also makes it dump its cargo!
This seems rather unethical to me. :p
* edit: turns out this was normal, I had an unlocked design without engines that the corp decided to build.
(I gather this has already been fixed for 5.0)
Steve
Post by: sloanjh on February 10, 2010, 07:06:59 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "sloanjh"Not sure what is happening here. Whether SM Add goes active depends on the selection of the dropdown in the top left rather than the contents within each category.Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"Aurora doesn't keep track of which prefab components were used to create a ship design. Unfortunately, that means that if you cancel that ship, you have lost the components. As a workaround, you can go into SM mode and give yourself the components back using the SM Add button on the Industry tab.I might have already logged this one, but I'll mention it again here - SM add doesn't seem to go active for PDC components. Ship components seem to be ok, though.
I've tested it and PDC components are appearing in the list and can be added with SM Add. I don't think you can use components in PDCs anyway. As the construction factories build the PDCs and construction factories build components, I didn't bother adding the code for PDCs to use components because it wouldn't save any time building them separately.
Steve
Sorry - didn't make myself clear. What I meant was prefab-PDC-components (a different selection in the pulldown), not ship-components-which-will-be-used-in-a-PDC. Not sure if this was intentional or an oversight, but I've go a prefabbed PDC on Mars (2 components) that I accidentally built that I can't get rid of (other than by building it out and then deleting it).
John
Post by: sloanjh on February 10, 2010, 07:10:21 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "sloanjh"non-parasite Ships in TG which are given "land on mothership" orders are disintegrated.Its not been destroyed - just moved into an alternate dimension :-)
I had an Apache scout with my strike group of FAC. When I told the group to land, the Apache disappeared - I looked on F6 and didn't see it.
John
Post by: sloanjh on February 10, 2010, 07:13:05 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"related to troops/teams existing on after destruction of transport. (probably already reported multiple times)In v5.0, if a pop is abandoned then any ground units are destroyed. Any teams are relocated to a different population, preferably the capital if one exists.
Teams that are left on a pop that is abandoned still exist, but have no location.
The officers still live, but need to be deassigned from the team manually through the leaders interface, they will then be reassigned to Homeworld.
Steve
While you're at it, could you set it up so that a captain who's relieved of command (either through unassign or being replaced) is moved either to the homeworld, or the local population, or something? As it stands now (I think) you end up with ex-captains riding around on a smattering of ships.
John
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 10, 2010, 07:51:39 AM
(You can still reassign them to the homeworld doing paperwork to get them there instantaneously.)
Also I'd rather have a warning about there being a team still on the ground, preventing abandonment of the colony (like the warning about losing ships and installations) , then having the team relocated to the safety of Home.
2 ct,
Areyar ;)
Post by: Sotak246 on February 10, 2010, 10:39:21 AM
Post by: Father Tim on February 10, 2010, 04:47:17 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Yes, the civs won't build zero speed designs in v5.0
Steve
I gather by 'zero speed' you mean PDCs as well as speed 1km/s (ie engineless) ships?
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 10, 2010, 06:09:01 PM
LoadRaceData error 76: Path not found 'Flags\'
The only aliens I found are Precursors.
Their flag and TF icons appear as they should.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 10, 2010, 07:52:10 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
Got an error in the galactic map:That error usually means one or more races doesn't have a flag. Check your own to make sure its there
LoadRaceData error 76: Path not found 'Flags\'
The only aliens I found are Precursors.
Their flag and TF icons appear as they should.
. If it is then it sounds like an NPR has a problem. Let me know and I will explain how to check.Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 10, 2010, 07:52:48 PM
Quote from: "Father Tim"
There is now a separate check for PDCs as well so they won't be built.Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"Yes, the civs won't build zero speed designs in v5.0
Steve
I gather by 'zero speed' you mean PDCs as well as speed 1km/s (ie engineless) ships?
Steve
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 10, 2010, 09:17:50 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"Got an error in the galactic map:That error usually means one or more races doesn't have a flag. Check your own to make sure its there :)
LoadRaceData error 76: Path not found 'Flags\'
The only aliens I found are Precursors.
Their flag and TF icons appear as they should.
Post by: nichaey on February 11, 2010, 04:04:13 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "nichaey"Sorry if this is a repeat, but a quick scan revealed nothing.Do you have shields on the PDC?
When I build a PDC it constantly spams the message that it has run out of fuel.
Steve
nope
if no one else gets this error it's probably just some vista error or something.
I've gotten a few weird errors like this that I've attributed to vista being vista (like compress database function crashing aurora)
Post by: SteveAlt on February 11, 2010, 04:09:25 AM
Steve
Post by: SteveAlt on February 11, 2010, 04:10:02 AM
Steve
Post by: JimiD on February 11, 2010, 04:53:38 AM
I have the flag missing error on the galactic screen, refered to by Commodore_Areyar above.
My initial install, although working, didnt have working galatic maps or system views. I reinstalled the full 4.90 and patched to 4.91, and the screens now worked, but the error 76 above started. Obviously I can play the game, it just needs a few click throughs on the errors (3 error boxes). I assigned a flag to my empire, the civilians appeat to have one, and the one NPR I have found also has one, both the last without any effort on my part.
The game continued, and I am now encountering another error:
Titled ExectOrders
error 5, invalid procedure call or argument
This pops up in groups of 4, a number of times, perhaps 100 or more. Quite easy to click through, but slows things down. I checked all my taskgroups for conditional orders that might have got messed up, like a ship ordered to join its parent, with no parent assigned, and corrected them all, without solving the problem.
I then went into SM mode to see if there was a dodgy order for an NPR I could see. I have only found one, plus the swarm. I worked out how to see the NPRs planet and screens, and was surprised to find they only had 6 research labs, nothing assigned, the shipyards untooled, and no ships being built. Not so much of a challenge then.
At the outset, to try and avoid the problems of the last game, I set the number of NPRs to 1, with no precursors and no chance of spawning more NPRs, on the basis that any turn interuption would involve me. Later, once I found this a bit dull, I went into SM mode, and activated precursors and NPR chances in new systems again.
The error 5 comes and goes, but a non active NPR is a bit of a game breaker. I will keep the database, but I think I will start a new standard game from 4.91, as I would like a little AI challenge.
Edit: now I have an error 91 NPRpopplanning!
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 11, 2010, 06:05:14 AM
I DID change my racial flag, this did not give problems in previous versions.
Maybe the problem is related to when gasplanet image is replaced, systemscreen looks for a nonexisting filename.
edit: I checked this out in a new campaign, changing PR images does not create the error. Also when using the same imagery as in affected game.
ps When is racial tune supposed to play?
Post by: a1s on February 11, 2010, 07:16:02 AM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/Soryu.png)
and here's that same ship class, added to my class list after I boarded and captured it (note that despite having like 3 working enemy ships, one of those perfectly intact, save for bullet holes in the corridors, the intelligence window is not updated to reflect this knowledge):
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/captSoryu.jpg)
Post by: IanD on February 11, 2010, 10:54:39 AM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
If my flag problem is not isolated to me, it might not be user error.
I have seen this Flag error in my latest game, but it went away and I thought no more of it.
Regards
Post by: a1s on February 11, 2010, 11:54:48 AM
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/cutoff-1.png)
(the whole right half of the screen in the "system map" is missing any kind of information. the image has been reduced so as to fit into the forum.)
It does not affect any other screen. Closing and restarting "system map" doesn't help, restarting Aurora as a whole does (so it's not a game killer). It will usually happen after an hour or two of play, though it can be as little as 5 minutes, or it might not happen at all for a whole session. I think it happens after you advance time, but other than that I haven't been able to see any pattern to it.
Post by: boggo2300 on February 11, 2010, 01:31:29 PM
Quote from: "a1s"
I'm using a 1440x900 sized screen (on a laptop running WinVista), however here's something that regularly happens:
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/cutoff-1.png)
(the whole right half of the screen in the "system map" is missing any kind of information. the image has been reduced so as to fit into the forum.)
It does not affect any other screen. Closing and restarting "system map" doesn't help, restarting Aurora as a whole does (so it's not a game killer). It will usually happen after an hour or two of play, though it can be as little as 5 minutes, or it might not happen at all for a whole session. I think it happens after you advance time, but other than that I haven't been able to see any pattern to it.
I was getting that a few versions ago, on a not resized screen, so I don't think thats your issue, It seemed to me to trigger when I popped another window over the top of the system map (a non Aurora one)
Matt
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 11, 2010, 02:00:08 PM
I usually play with A firefox browser open and occasionally an excel sheet etc. Will pay more attention to it in future.
Actually I see it now.
The system view is not drawn at the right about 1/5th of the screen, not including the buttons and event text.
Post by: whisper28 on February 11, 2010, 03:39:51 PM
I'm hoping that they don't show up later (ie, the increased difficulty caused whatever threshold to be hit earlier) as my earlier game became unplayable.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1929&p=19447&hilit=getpopulationsignature#p19447 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1929&p=19447&hilit=getpopulationsignature#p19447)
Quote
Two different bugs. both very early on in a standard trans-newtonian game based on earth. Both are poping up at each time interval, but do not generate an interrupt of their own. The first started about 4months into the game, the second about 8 months into the game. I have 2b population but started with 1b pop to keep the npr from being to big. I gave the PC race a 150% modifier on its initial industry setting, and the npr a 200% setting.
Error in GetPopulationSignature
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow.
Error in UpdateWealth
Error 3421 generated by DAO.field
Data type conversion error.
My computer is running Vista32 US settings. I saved a copy of the DB if you need it.
Brian
Post by: Venec on February 11, 2010, 04:12:20 PM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
When a ship is destroyed in v5.0, any ground units on board are destroyed. Any teams on board are disbanded and the team members each have a fifty percent chance to make it to the lifepods.
Steve
Does that also include scrapped ships? I captured one of the Star Swarm's soldier and sent for scrapping with marines on board. They didn't get transfered on planet (ANY planet) or ships, they have just been transported to another dimension because I was still getting reports on their morale with "n/a" as system location.
Post by: Vanigo on February 11, 2010, 04:27:00 PM
Quote from: "JimiD"
I worked out how to see the NPRs planet and screensHow do you do that?
Post by: welchbloke on February 12, 2010, 05:18:17 AM
Quote from: "Vanigo"
Search for an earlier thread that discusses 'Designer Mode'. Note: Steve recommends that you don't use this mode unless you are really careful as it is very easy to completely wreck your game database but creating/deleting things.Quote from: "JimiD"I worked out how to see the NPRs planet and screensHow do you do that?
Post by: JimiD on February 12, 2010, 09:17:00 AM
Quote from: "welchbloke"
Quote from: "Vanigo"Search for an earlier thread that discusses 'Designer Mode'. Note: Steve recommends that you don't use this mode unless you are really careful as it is very easy to completely wreck your game database but creating/deleting things.Quote from: "JimiD"I worked out how to see the NPRs planet and screensHow do you do that?
Well I was not using Design Mode, as I dont have the password.
I cant be sure, but I might have added an NPR after starting the game. This made me wonder if the NPR I found was this later created one, and was supposed to be run by me, rather than the AI. This would explain how I could see it, and why it wasnt doing anything!
Post by: Father Tim on February 12, 2010, 11:08:52 AM
Post by: SamuraiProgrammer on February 13, 2010, 07:16:58 AM
I realize that your focus may not be on insignificant bugs like these, but you can always ignore the post...
I am not trying to be critical, but rather helpful. I realize you probably know about these issues. As a developer myself, however, I sometimes get surprised.
Thanks & Have a great day!
I am using Vista 32.
At the beginning of a new game, I was trying different menu entries to see what would happen. I realize that I may be using things wrong. It might
When I chose Spacemaster | Compare Tech, nothing happened. I did not even get a dialog asking for a password.
When I chose Miscellaneous | Win95 calculator, nothing happened.
When I chose Miscellaneous | Compact database, the program crashed.
Miscellaneous | Refresh all seems to have no effect, even if other windows are open.
Choosing Miscellaneous | StarType produces the error : Run time error 3024 : Could not find file HYG.mdb and then the program crashes.
Choosing Calculation | Loadout Caclulation crashes the program.
Post by: Balibar on February 13, 2010, 10:58:34 AM
Error 5 was generated by Aurora
Invalid procedure call or argument
Please report to ...
The name did get changed.
Yet when I changed another system name, there was no error.
Post by: Vanigo on February 13, 2010, 01:01:04 PM
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 13, 2010, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: "Balibar"
I explored a JP and found a new system. Aurora gave a system name of 'GJ 1156'. I changed the system name to either Betelgeuse or Barnard and I got an Error:Probably Betelgeuse is already in the realsystems name list,
Error 5 was generated by Aurora
Invalid procedure call or argument
Please report to ...
The name did get changed.
Yet when I changed another system name, there was no error.
If the Betalgeuse system was already was discovered by an NPR... duplicate entries cause problems.
By the way, what name did you use the second time?
Post by: Balibar on February 13, 2010, 10:28:21 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
I don't think that is it, because the error did not come up with Rigel, Vega, Canopus and a few others in other systems. My second name, which also caused the error, was Barnard. However, I used Betelgeuse on another system without an error. I think the error happens when there are multiple stars in the system, but I am not certain.Quote from: "Balibar"I explored a JP and found a new system. Aurora gave a system name of 'GJ 1156'. I changed the system name to either Betelgeuse or Barnard and I got an Error:Probably Betelgeuse is already in the realsystems name list,
Error 5 was generated by Aurora
Invalid procedure call or argument
Please report to ...
The name did get changed.
Yet when I changed another system name, there was no error.
If the Betalgeuse system was already was discovered by an NPR... duplicate entries cause problems.
By the way, what name did you use the second time?
Post by: gogis79 on February 14, 2010, 02:56:42 PM
Actually you can't even resolve it with kill->reload, it's starts right upon you advancing in time and cycles forever.
It's even corrupted mdb once, but i've managed to repair it.
It's really annoying, because it's seems to be game over and getting it twice in a row is heartbreaking
Edit.
Seems like I figured it out. It's was gazillion of records in FleetOrders table. My cargo ship was trying to infinitely populate conditional order "to refuel at 20% at nearest Colony or Tanker". I deleted all records and game now seems work fine.
But my cargo ship was a tanker itself, so probably it's caused infinite loop. Seems like my previous game suffered to the same isssue.
Post by: IanD on February 14, 2010, 03:55:00 PM
[attachment=1:17uol4ja]Componenets 1.jpg[/attachment:17uol4ja]
They are also shoiwn as loaded on salvage ship, but how do I unload them? Is there an unload all components button?
[attachment=0:17uol4ja]Componenets 2.jpg[/attachment:17uol4ja]
Regards
Post by: a1s on February 14, 2010, 06:52:34 PM
edit: forgot why i came here. you can scrap the same ship many times (in different ship yards/slipways) not sure what that does (if you would get the resources multiple times for example), but the event window only says the ship was scrapped once.
Post by: djp on February 14, 2010, 08:18:41 PM
Edit: This is not a "new user" question. To research 2 techs and get one seems very buggy, whether this is really happening or is just a display issue. Intuitively one would expect a 1.44 increase in the economy from researching this tech twice. That's certainly not what's displayed.
Post by: sloanjh on February 14, 2010, 11:56:16 PM
Quote from: "djp"
Expand civillian economy by 20%. At the start did an instant develop to both the 5000 and 10000 point versions of this tech, but there's only one entry in the completed filter. Slightly odd that they both (all) have the same name.
That's because it's the same tech, over and over - the cost just goes up. This was a trick Steve used to model the difference between undeveloped countries with large populations and developed countries with small populations.
John
PS - Please post new user questions/issues in The Academy. You might also want to take a look at the "Where to Post" FAQ.
Post by: SteveAlt on February 15, 2010, 12:25:10 AM
Quote from: "a1s"
I'm using a 1440x900 sized screen (on a laptop running WinVista), however here's something that regularly happens:This usually happens if your screen resolution changes when Aurora is running. For example, I get this problem if I run Civ and then try to run Aurora again.
(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b84/a1s/cutoff-1.png)
(the whole right half of the screen in the "system map" is missing any kind of information. the image has been reduced so as to fit into the forum.)
It does not affect any other screen. Closing and restarting "system map" doesn't help, restarting Aurora as a whole does (so it's not a game killer). It will usually happen after an hour or two of play, though it can be as little as 5 minutes, or it might not happen at all for a whole session. I think it happens after you advance time, but other than that I haven't been able to see any pattern to it.
Steve
Post by: Journier on February 15, 2010, 02:08:30 AM
I have played and other than a few popup errors that go away after i click through them I have one that i think may end my current game.
When i enter the System Map screen the game pops this error up, no system is displayed on the map for some reason, its all blue sadly. I have a feeling im looking outside the system and the game doesnt like that....
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
contact forum.
Any solution to this currently would be great, if not , im gonna lose my last 40 years of gameplay and have to restart. I searched but it didnt seem like anyone found any error 6 overflow on the system map screen that was reproduceable.
Post by: Journier on February 15, 2010, 02:45:48 AM
I was clicking on civilian fleet shipping lines before this error started occurring, so I assume one of their ships was out of bounds or something from that made the system map screen go all wonky.
Hopefully that helps you make this not occur in later versions.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 15, 2010, 02:47:00 AM
Quote from: "Vanigo"
I just got my second game where civilian ships refuse to use jump gates. I know this is fixed in 5.0, but is there any sort of fix or workaround for this?If you have any civilian contracts, try cancelling them. This problem is fixed for v5.0 but in v4.91 the civilian contracts sometimes stop the civs doing anything else
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 15, 2010, 02:50:30 AM
Quote from: "Journier"
After crashing the game a few times more, i got a tip that i should hit the Min Zoom button in the upper left corner. This brought the system map screen back into boundaries.Was the title of the error box Error in DisplayFleetContacts?
I was clicking on civilian fleet shipping lines before this error started occurring, so I assume one of their ships was out of bounds or something from that made the system map screen go all wonky.
Hopefully that helps you make this not occur in later versions.
If you zoom in really, really close, you might get an overflow error. Be aware that double-clicking will zoom the map in
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 15, 2010, 02:54:36 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
I have added a check for v5.0 so you cannot zoom the scale in further than 2000 kilometers, at which point the Earth fills the screen.Quote from: "Journier"After crashing the game a few times more, i got a tip that i should hit the Min Zoom button in the upper left corner. This brought the system map screen back into boundaries.Was the title of the error box Error in DisplayFleetContacts?
I was clicking on civilian fleet shipping lines before this error started occurring, so I assume one of their ships was out of bounds or something from that made the system map screen go all wonky.
Hopefully that helps you make this not occur in later versions.
If you zoom in really, really close, you might get an overflow error. Be aware that double-clicking will zoom the map in
Steve
Steve
Post by: Journier on February 15, 2010, 03:28:55 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Journier"After crashing the game a few times more, i got a tip that i should hit the Min Zoom button in the upper left corner. This brought the system map screen back into boundaries.Was the title of the error box Error in DisplayFleetContacts?
I was clicking on civilian fleet shipping lines before this error started occurring, so I assume one of their ships was out of bounds or something from that made the system map screen go all wonky.
Hopefully that helps you make this not occur in later versions.
If you zoom in really, really close, you might get an overflow error. Be aware that double-clicking will zoom the map in
Steve
I believe the only thing it it said was
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
contact forum.
I dont believe anything else was listed on the actual box. I guess i shoulda checked exactly how zoomed in the game was when i got the overflow.
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 15, 2010, 03:32:29 AM
Quote from: "Journier"
I believe the only thing it it said wasThe error boxes have a title bar, just like the one on a window, which contains the name of the function where the error occurred. That is obviously very useful when it comes to tracking down the problem
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
contact forum.
I dont believe anything else was listed on the actual box. I guess i shoulda checked exactly how zoomed in the game was when i got the overflow.
. I am fairly sure that what you described is related to the zoom though. if you want to check it, try zooming in one step at a time and watch the scale in the top left. 2.1k should be OK but when you hit the zoom again you should get the error, which might repeat a few times. Just hit zoom out or min zoom to come back outSteve
Post by: Journier on February 15, 2010, 03:56:28 AM
Post by: alanwebber on February 15, 2010, 04:09:45 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Vanigo"I just got my second game where civilian ships refuse to use jump gates. I know this is fixed in 5.0, but is there any sort of fix or workaround for this?If you have any civilian contracts, try cancelling them. This problem is fixed for v5.0 but in v4.91 the civilian contracts sometimes stop the civs doing anything else
Steve
Steve
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. What I've found is that civilians will ignore any colony set up before the jump gate network connects them. This is both for population and contract movement. I've tried deleting all orders and sending new colonists / infrastructure via my freighters. If you set up a new colony within the JGN, the civilians will move things as normal. it may be that your solution to the other problem will solve this one (or maybe not).
Alan
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 15, 2010, 04:37:58 AM
Quote from: "Journier"
Currently i can zoom in a maximum of 1906 km's in Sol system, and 1609 in the Alpha Centauri system with no issue. Im only 3 days into playing your game here, so surely I am entirely missing an option or selection process to allow me to zoom in further...There was already a block on zooming in too far but it appeared that for certain systems, that block wasn't set early enough. I have decreased the amount you can zoom in for v5.0. If you aren't having any more problems then forget about it and enjoy the game
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 15, 2010, 04:41:46 AM
Quote from: "alanwebber"
Interesting. I don't know why that is happening as the civilians, like the NPRs, create a new "state of the galaxy" every time they try to work out a route. I did find I was having problems in my own game related to contracts interfering with normal civilian operations and that deleting the contracts fixed that problem. I then figured out why the contracts were interfering and fixed that too. It sounds like I accidently fixed something else tooQuote from: "Steve Walmsley"I think it's a bit more complicated than that. What I've found is that civilians will ignore any colony set up before the jump gate network connects them. This is both for population and contract movement. I've tried deleting all orders and sending new colonists / infrastructure via my freighters. If you set up a new colony within the JGN, the civilians will move things as normal. it may be that your solution to the other problem will solve this one (or maybe not)Quote from: "Vanigo"I just got my second game where civilian ships refuse to use jump gates. I know this is fixed in 5.0, but is there any sort of fix or workaround for this?If you have any civilian contracts, try cancelling them. This problem is fixed for v5.0 but in v4.91 the civilian contracts sometimes stop the civs doing anything else
. In my current game, the civs are handling a mixture of trade goods and contracts quite happily so I think everything is fine for v5.0Steve
Post by: Journier on February 16, 2010, 03:12:57 AM
I just had my first battle with the precursers in Alpha Centauri and after i killed their first ship i started getting a spam of error 6 overflow and error 11 division by zero every time i tried to go forward in time at all. These errors occur without the system screen open though, happen on any screen.
now this time i actually noticed the box name ^_^ and have it here, it constantly spams with in the system screen.
Error in GetShipPowerPercentage
Error 11 was generated by Aurora
Division by zero
Error in GetShipPowerPercentage
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
they both began occuring after i killed a single precurser ship attacking my fleet. they occur in the order of 2 Error 11's , 1 Error 6, then 2 Error 11's again, during a 5 second turn.
any thoughts on this one? And this isnt related to my last error 6 i had overflow atliest im pretty sure
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 16, 2010, 04:27:57 PM
Quote from: "Journier"
hi steve, i return with more.Looking at the code, it looks like a problem where a ship has no beam weapons as they have been destroyed but it does have weapon recharge records. However that shouldn't happen because those recharge records should be deleted when the weapon they apply to is destroyed. If you have Access on your PC, I can explain how to remove the records causing the problem. Although there is a slight possibility they may go away by itself after a minute or two of game time.
I just had my first battle with the precursers in Alpha Centauri and after i killed their first ship i started getting a spam of error 6 overflow and error 11 division by zero every time i tried to go forward in time at all. These errors occur without the system screen open though, happen on any screen.
now this time i actually noticed the box name ^_^ and have it here, it constantly spams with in the system screen.
Error in GetShipPowerPercentage
Error 11 was generated by Aurora
Division by zero
Error in GetShipPowerPercentage
Error 6 was generated by Aurora
Overflow
they both began occuring after i killed a single precurser ship attacking my fleet. they occur in the order of 2 Error 11's , 1 Error 6, then 2 Error 11's again, during a 5 second turn.
any thoughts on this one? And this isnt related to my last error 6 i had overflow atliest im pretty sure
EDIT: I have added some extra checks to v5.0 so that even if this does somehow happen again, the program should be able to handle it.
Steve
Post by: Nabobalis on February 16, 2010, 04:35:17 PM
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 17, 2010, 05:26:35 AM
A similar bug to the one where match speed lets ships without engines move above 1km/s:
I have a geosurvey ship moving in a nebula, its engine gave out, but it is still moving at 500mk/s.
It is operating under the special orders for surveyships.
Maybe your fix for the first mentioned bug already fixes this one as well, at any rate a check of all max speed checks seems in order.
(maybe the check for maxspeed in nebula overrides the max speed for engines.)
It is not a refresh issue; the speed is still 500 after several time increments.
---
related to above:
Current speed is not reduced to Max speed if engine is lost due to lack of maintenance.
This does work when a ship loses speed due to battle damage, so this is not related to nebulas at all.
---
Another cosmetic bug:
When you order a ship to transit a JP:unex, further orders are impossible.
Not so for the Transit&devide and combat transit orders. Orders can still be given after adding the T&D or CT order, but from the explored location which also seems a bug.
(unless these commands are blocked for unex systems, in which case they should not be selectable I think.)
regards,
Arnoud
Post by: Journier on February 17, 2010, 05:49:04 AM
Quote from: "Steve Walmsley"
Quote from: "Journier"hi steve, i return with more.
If you have Access on your PC, I can explain how to remove the records causing the problem. Although there is a slight possibility they may go away by itself after a minute or two of game time.
Steve
yes I have access, and i have tried to play my empire out for quite a few turn pushes/ a few days and still nothing.
Help = appreciated unless 5.0 is coming out soon then screw it heh.
Post by: Nabobalis on February 19, 2010, 04:10:24 PM
Post by: Erik L on February 19, 2010, 04:48:34 PM
Quote from: "Nabobalis"
When you start with designs all ready done for you, it seems the missile designs are blank?
This is correct.
Post by: Nabobalis on February 19, 2010, 04:53:31 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
Quote from: "Nabobalis"When you start with designs all ready done for you, it seems the missile designs are blank?
This is correct.
Oh ok, any reason why?
Post by: Erik L on February 19, 2010, 05:03:03 PM
Quote from: "Nabobalis"
Quote from: "Erik Luken"Quote from: "Nabobalis"When you start with designs all ready done for you, it seems the missile designs are blank?
This is correct.
Oh ok, any reason why?
There is a post on this subject earlier in the thread and Steve's reply. If I recall, he said the missiles are not generated the same way in the routines for the pre-game designs.
Post by: Nabobalis on February 19, 2010, 05:20:59 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
There is a post on this subject earlier in the thread and Steve's reply. If I recall, he said the missiles are not generated the same way in the routines for the pre-game designs.
Ah ok, thanks. I'll see if I can find it.
Post by: Vanigo on February 19, 2010, 09:08:26 PM
Error in SelectInstallationRun
Error 3167 was generated by DAO.Field
Record is deleted.
The contract seems to be working anyway, though.
Edit: By immediately, I mean as soon as I ran the next turn, not when I put the supply and demand in.
Post by: MoonDragon on February 19, 2010, 10:06:47 PM
Post by: WCG on February 20, 2010, 01:21:14 PM
Quote from: "Commodore_Areyar"
The wellknown flexgrid error (#30009 i believe) that was fixed for science and officers also occurs when the num ber of entries in the events screen is changed.
Maybe this really has already been fixed, but I get this error whenever I click on a certain naval officer.
It says:
Error in Grd_Sorted_SelChange
Error 30009 was generated by MSFlexGrid
Invalid Row Value
All I did was sort naval officers by Fleet Movement Initiative Rating. I get the error whenever I click on the Rear Admiral in the list, but not when I click on any other officer. (If it matters, this is my only Rear Admiral and my highest ranking officer.)
Note that I haven't messed with creating new ranks or anything like that. I tried to do a search here to see if this error was already known, but I couldn't tell. I couldn't find anything exactly like this. From other postings, it appears that this error is well-known, but maybe not in this exact circumstance? And if it's supposed to be fixed,... well, I figured I'd better say something.
It's not causing any problems, as far as I can tell, and this is the first time I've run into it. Again, I'm playing version 4.91
Bill
Post by: Hawkeye on February 20, 2010, 02:09:06 PM
Post by: Greiger on February 20, 2010, 09:19:32 PM
I ended up having one of my scout ships hang around on my side of the JP into their system with it's transponder on to get them to notice me.
Post by: Nabobalis on February 21, 2010, 03:24:07 AM
Post by: Hawkeye on February 21, 2010, 08:29:39 AM
Quote from: "Greiger"
Probably more of a minor detail than a bug I suppose since you wouldn't really know about this without designer mode, but if you manage to get an active sensor contact with an NPR, without them seeing you, and then establish communications (They told me the real name of their empire. I assume that means I successfully communicated) They still don't know you exist. Despite the fact that they talked to you and you could very well have a diplomatic team working with them.
I ended up having one of my scout ships hang around on my side of the JP into their system with it's transponder on to get them to notice me.
Well, in similar cases, I assumed I was listening to their broadcasts (radio, tv, whatever) and translated their language/race name and stuff that way.
Post by: Thtb on February 22, 2010, 01:36:44 PM
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/Thtb/mymap-1.png?t=1266867151)
Download this after a recommdation from bay12, love it, but impossible to go more then 15 days without so much errors it becomes unplayable (click away a error spawns another error)
Anyway, the error above (first the bigger one, then the other one - continual (can't be removed by click okay, is replaced by a new one every single time)) was caused after hitting the "5 day" button, its ummm 12 days in the game, nothing going on besides building mines/inf, doing research and building ships.
Nothing was about to be done or got done in that intervall.
Post by: Beersatron on February 22, 2010, 02:26:16 PM
Quote from: "Thtb"
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/Thtb/mymap-2.png?t=1266867108)
(http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd246/Thtb/mymap-1.png?t=1266867151)
Download this after a recommdation from bay12, love it, but impossible to go more then 15 days without so much errors it becomes unplayable (click away a error spawns another error)
Anyway, the error above (first the bigger one, then the other one - continual (can't be removed by click okay, is replaced by a new one every single time)) was caused after hitting the "5 day" button, its ummm 12 days in the game, nothing going on besides building mines/inf, doing research and building ships.
Nothing was about to be done or got done in that intervall.
I think it may be the fullstop/comma error.
Can you change your Windows regional settings to use the fullstop instead of comma? (if it is currently the comma that is)
*edit for more information*
when I say fullstop/comma I mean for the decimal point
for example, UK/US does the decimal figure as: 123.45 but some european countries use: 123,45 which access can not handle.
Post by: WCG on February 22, 2010, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: "MoonDragon"
v4.91
Oh, and I think that ships undergoing fleet training are also ignoring conditional orders. So they will run themselves out of fuel, even if they have conditional orders to refuel when low.
Yes, this happens to me, too (might be just on civilian ships, I'm not sure).
Also, I have freighters delivering mines to my mining colonies in Sol system, and they don't pay any attention to their conditional refueling orders then, either. Every ship is set to refuel when down to 20% or 30% of fuel, but they never do. I do get a low fuel alarm, when they get really low, luckily.
Hmm,... as far as I can tell, there's no way to add an order in the middle of other ship orders, is there? And no way to delete one? (Whenever I try to delete a certain ship order, the last one is always the one deleted.) And "Repeat" repeats everything in the list. You can't just repeat part of it.
I was trying to add a refuel order in the middle of the other orders, but that doesn't work. (And I can't have a freighter pick up and deliver one mass driver, and then continue on with automatic mines. I have to wait until the mass driver orders are completed, and then give orders for delivering mines, because I can't repeat just the mine orders.)
But I suppose I should just add a refuel order to every mine delivery. Does it waste time to refuel on every trip?
Bill
Post by: Ordans on February 22, 2010, 04:40:02 PM
Quote from: "Ordans"
I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menu
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
Why does that error happens?
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 23, 2010, 10:38:09 AM
Quote from: "Ordans"
What is the title of the Error box, as that will tell me where the error is happening?Quote from: "Ordans"I keep getting an error when trying to open the F9 menu
Error 7
Out of memory.
What does that means?
The version is 4.91
Why does that error happens?
Steve
Post by: Steve Walmsley on February 23, 2010, 10:41:22 AM
Quote from: "Thtb"
Download this after a recommdation from bay12, love it, but impossible to go more then 15 days without so much errors it becomes unplayable (click away a error spawns another error)As explained in the installation instructions where you downloaded the game, you need to change your decimal separator to a period (.) instead of a comma (,). If you don't do this, the game is unplayable.
Anyway, the error above (first the bigger one, then the other one - continual (can't be removed by click okay, is replaced by a new one every single time)) was caused after hitting the "5 day" button, its ummm 12 days in the game, nothing going on besides building mines/inf, doing research and building ships.
Nothing was about to be done or got done in that intervall.
As a refresher, here are the installation instructions: viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1830 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1830)
Steve
Post by: Commodore_Areyar on February 24, 2010, 07:10:30 PM
create researc project:
active sensor, size5, 150 resolution.
runtime eror 381, invalid property array index. closes Aurora.
Have had this happen twice now, earlier it happened when I switched to AGS from MFC with 150 resolution. That time I had to close Aurora myself as it stopped responding apparently.
Probably user error, just don't know.
Post by: Malamis on February 27, 2010, 03:08:57 PM
Quote from: "SamuraiProgrammer"
When I chose Miscellaneous | Compact database, the program crashed.
snap
Error 429
"activeX component cannot create object"
Windows XP
Post by: Another on February 28, 2010, 12:17:25 AM
Quote from: "Malamis"
Quote from: "SamuraiProgrammer"When I chose Miscellaneous | Compact database, the program crashed.
snap
Error 429
"activeX component cannot create object"
Windows XP
I am sure that you should install Microsoft Office Access to get rid of this error. If it was indeed the issue - please, tell us.
Post by: Vanigo on February 28, 2010, 07:57:46 AM
Post by: Malamis on February 28, 2010, 11:37:51 AM
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Quote from: "Malamis"Quote from: "SamuraiProgrammer"When I chose Miscellaneous | Compact database, the program crashed.
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"activeX component cannot create object"
Windows XP
I am sure that you should install Microsoft Office Access to get rid of this error. If it was indeed the issue - please, tell us.
I've no access to access; going to try some individual active X runtimes