Post by: Micro102 on February 05, 2010, 03:35:15 PM
Post by: sloanjh on February 05, 2010, 03:45:49 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
Well my only contact was the Civ race, and i was unable to make any type of diplomatic moves towards them, even sending a diplomacy team and the DP and communication were N/A on the diplomacy screen, and then i got a message saying that the population of earth has surrendered and so have all the ships that were orbiting earth (which was all of them, very early in game) so i turns out the Civs became hostile and i don't know why. No i did not send any minerals via mass driver by mistake.
Were you blowing up civie ships?
Did they somehow build a ship or PDC with active sensors? Not being able to do diplomacy is correct - you shouldn't need to.If you want to recover your game, one thing you could do is restore from your last save before the surrender (see the Save FAQ), then go into SM mode and bump up their attitude towards in the same way as if you'd Footfalled them into the stone age.
John
Post by: Micro102 on February 05, 2010, 03:55:46 PM
Post by: sloanjh on February 05, 2010, 04:03:12 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
No i didn't blow up any ships, i don't even know how to, and they might built something with active sensors, but what difference does that make?On blowing up ships: You shoot them with your weapons. :-)
John
Post by: Micro102 on February 05, 2010, 04:05:22 PM
(I just realized how much confusing calling civilians "Civs" could be >_>)
Post by: sloanjh on February 05, 2010, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
So your saying that i cannot make any commercial ships with active sensors for fear that my civilians will use those designs?
(I just realized how much confusing calling civilians "Civs" could be >_>)
No, because if you try to make a commercial ship with active sensors it won't be a commercial design anymore - it will be a military design, which the civies shouldn't try to use. (Say that 10 times fast
)There's something going on to upset the civies, and it's probably a bug (unless you're blowing up their ships or targetting human populations) - I was just throwing anything I could think of out there that might be causing it. Civies shouldn't be able to get their hands on active sensors, OTOH they shouldn't be building PDC either, which they've been doing in 4.9.
John
Post by: Micro102 on February 05, 2010, 04:13:48 PM
Post by: Vanigo on February 05, 2010, 04:42:37 PM
Quote from: "sloanjh"
No, because if you try to make a commercial ship with active sensors it won't be a commercial design anymore - it will be a military design, which the civies shouldn't try to use. (Say that 10 times fastActually, really small active sensors can be put on civilian designs. I'm not sure what the cutoff point is, but my salvager design has a small active sensor for locating wrecks, and it still counts as civilian.
Post by: Beersatron on February 05, 2010, 05:00:18 PM
Quote from: "Vanigo"
Quote from: "sloanjh"No, because if you try to make a commercial ship with active sensors it won't be a commercial design anymore - it will be a military design, which the civies shouldn't try to use. (Say that 10 times fast :)
Post by: ShadoCat on February 05, 2010, 07:18:43 PM
I know that leaving a population undefended can cause unrest. I don't know if it can cause them to revolt though.
Post by: Micro102 on February 05, 2010, 07:20:34 PM
Post by: Shinanygnz on February 06, 2010, 06:23:32 AM
Stephen
Post by: Micro102 on February 06, 2010, 02:16:56 PM
Post by: sloanjh on February 06, 2010, 03:03:50 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
I already said i wasn't. I feel it's the active sensors thing. Maybe a PDC had them, or the small ones made some trouble.Did you put active sensors on any of the classes that the civies have used?
John
Post by: Micro102 on February 06, 2010, 03:07:52 PM
And now that3i think of it, how did they make me surrender so fast?
Post by: sloanjh on February 06, 2010, 03:10:56 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
I don't recall.
It's very helpful to save a copy of the DB when you report a bug like this, so that you can send it to Steve if he wants to look at it.
John
Post by: boggo2300 on February 07, 2010, 06:54:23 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
I don't recall.
And now that3i think of it, how did they make me surrender so fast?
Witholding the sales of microwave ovens?
The few times I've ended with Aggro civilians, I've edited the diplomacy rating in the database to make us bosum buddies again, though my falling outs were caused by mineral bombardments, so if you don't find the cause, you may end up back where you started
Matt
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2010, 11:15:57 AM
Like drop some automated mines and a mass driver on an asteroid and fire the mined minerals at the enemy?
Post by: Beersatron on February 10, 2010, 01:40:04 PM
Quote from: "Guest"
Wait, can we use the mass driver as a weapon and bombard enemy planets?
Like drop some automated mines and a mass driver on an asteroid and fire the mined minerals at the enemy?
Yes
(although I think that if they have mass drivers themselves then all your doing is feeding their war machine!)
Post by: Anonymous on February 10, 2010, 02:32:08 PM
Post by: Father Tim on February 10, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
Post by: Micro102 on February 10, 2010, 07:14:48 PM
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1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 008 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 009 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 010 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 011 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 012 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 013 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 014 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 015 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 016 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 017 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 001 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 002 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 018 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 019 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 020 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 003 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 004 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 005 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
1st December 2026 00:00:01,Human,Sol,As a result of the population surrender, the Missile Complex 006 has surrendered as it was in orbit of the planet
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I really can't figure out whats going on the Civilians havent eve shown themselves yet. I started out as conventional.
Post by: Micro102 on February 13, 2010, 12:18:49 PM
Post by: sloanjh on February 13, 2010, 01:50:42 PM
Quote from: "Micro102"
So does anyone know what happened? or should i put this in the bug section?
I already made a post in the bugs thread a few days ago - here's Steve's reply viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2027&p=20950#p20950 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2027&p=20950#p20950)
So if you're 100% certain that you've neither attacked civie ships nor bombarded your homeworld, then you should reply to Steve's post explaining the details. He'll probably ask you to send a database, though, so I wouldn't bother unless you've saved one. Also, please make sure to read the sticky about posting bugs (in the Bugs board) before you post so you'll know the kind of information Steve is looking for.
Thanks,
John