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VB6 Aurora => Bureau of Ship Design => Topic started by: Aldaris on June 25, 2010, 01:47:12 PM

Title: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Aldaris on June 25, 2010, 01:47:12 PM: This is my first real warfleet, and I'd like some people to look over the designs and do some holepoking.
I've got some bigger ships lined up for my next generation battle fleet, but they've yet to enter production.

My PD ship, the next gen versions are 10.000 ton dedicated AMM and dedicated laser designs.
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Cerebus IV class Escort 7500 tons 767 Crew 2567.1 BP TCS 150 TH 375 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 4-34 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 36 Annual Failure Rate: 150% IFR: 2.1% Maint Capacity 642 MSP Max Repair 180 MSP Est Time: 1.69 Years Magazine 306 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 80,000 Litres Range 48.0 billion km (111 days at full power) Twin 15cm C6 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2) Range 240,000km TS: 10000 km/s Power 12-12 RM 5 ROF 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 3 3 3 Laser Fire Control S06 120-10000 (3) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 10000 km/s 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (6) Total Power Output 6 Armour 0 Exp 5% Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (6) Total Power Output 30 Armour 0 Exp 5% Size 1 AMM Launcher (6) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 10 Missile Fire Control FC3-R1 (70%) (3) Range 3.0m km Resolution 1 AMM-1-Shield II (2) (306) Speed: 39,200 km/s End: 1.3m Range: 3m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 379 / 227 / 113 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
My moust doubted design: My flagship
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Watson II class Command Ship 7500 tons 490 Crew 1854.5 BP TCS 150 TH 375 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 7-34 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 150% IFR: 2.1% Maint Capacity 2464 MSP Max Repair 420 MSP Est Time: 2.3 Years Flag Bridge Magazine 750 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 280,000 Litres Range 168.0 billion km (388 days at full power) ASM-3-Javelin (155) Speed: 40,000 km/s End: 20.8m Range: 50m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 133 / 80 / 40 AMM-1-Shield III (285) Speed: 40,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 3.6m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 466 / 280 / 140 Active Search Sensor MR134-R40 (1) GPS 16800 Range 134.4m km Resolution 40 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
My carrier:
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Queensland V class Carrier 7500 tons 332 Crew 1277 BP TCS 150 TH 375 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 5-34 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 150% IFR: 2.1% Maint Capacity 1319 MSP Max Repair 94 MSP Est Time: 3.84 Years Hangar Deck Capacity 3000 tons Magazine 300 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 120.0 billion km (277 days at full power) ASM-3-Javelin II (100) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
With gunboats:
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Rommel IV class Gunboat 1000 tons 65 Crew 264.5 BP TCS 20 TH 288 EM 0 14400 km/s Armour 4-8 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 4.5 Annual Failure Rate: 80% IFR: 1.1% Maint Capacity 17 MSP Max Repair 105 MSP Est Time: 0.2 Years Magazine 30 GB Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E52 (1) Power 287.5 Fuel Use 520% Signature 287.5 Armour 0 Exp 36% Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range 17.3 billion km (13 days at full power) Size 3 Box Launcher (10) Missile Size 3 Hangar Reload 22.5 minutes MF Reload 3.7 hours Missile Fire Control FC60-R30 (70%) (1) Range 60.5m km Resolution 30 ASM-3-Javelin II (10) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 ECM 10 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Scouts
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Lookout II class Scout 3000 tons 256 Crew 1030.5 BP TCS 60 TH 312.5 EM 0 10416 km/s Armour 5-18 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 600% IFR: 8.3% Maint Capacity 0 MSP Max Repair 420 MSP Est Time: 0 Years Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (5) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Active Search Sensor MR134-R40 (1) GPS 16800 Range 134.4m km Resolution 40 ECM 20 This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
And my missile cruiser.
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Guderian II class Missile Cruiser 7450 tons 815 Crew 1990.9 BP TCS 149 TH 375 EM 0 5033 km/s Armour 4-33 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 39 Annual Failure Rate: 88% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 835 MSP Max Repair 630 MSP Est Time: 1.25 Years Magazine 489 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 90,000 Litres Range 54.4 billion km (125 days at full power) Size 3 Missile Launcher (13) Missile Size 3 Rate of Fire 30 Missile Fire Control FC60-R30 (70%) (1) Range 60.5m km Resolution 30 ASM-3-Javelin II (163) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 Active Search Sensor MR67-R20 (50%) (1) GPS 8400 Range 67.2m km Resolution 20 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Brian Neumann on June 25, 2010, 02:50:25 PM: Your command ship has no missile launchers but does have a large magazine. Is this on purpose or did you forget to pull the magazine out when you pulled the launchers. They also have a lot of spares.

Your scout has no spares for maintenance. You really want at least one engineering space on the ship, preferably enough to repair any system on the ship once. If you have a failure you could then resuply from the rest of the fleet, but it is much cheeper to fix something when it breaks then later. (damage control repairs cost twice as many spare parts as when you have the spares available when you have a maintenance failure.)

Brian
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Beersatron on June 25, 2010, 03:09:11 PM: You need a Resolution 1 Active Search Sensor on the Anti Missile boat otherwise the Lasers and Missiles will not be able to fire.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: welchbloke on June 25, 2010, 03:29:50 PM: I would reduce the number of FC on the Cerebus and increase the number of FC on the Guderian. I use a 1:5 FC to Missile launcher ratio.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Hawkeye on June 25, 2010, 04:09:35 PM: Quote from: "Aldaris"
This is my first real warfleet, and I'd like some people to look over the designs and do some holepoking.
I've got some bigger ships lined up for my next generation battle fleet, but they've yet to enter production.

My PD ship, the next gen versions are 10.000 ton dedicated AMM and dedicated laser designs.
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Cerebus IV class Escort 7500 tons 767 Crew 2567.1 BP TCS 150 TH 375 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 4-34 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 36 Annual Failure Rate: 150% IFR: 2.1% Maint Capacity 642 MSP Max Repair 180 MSP Est Time: 1.69 Years Magazine 306 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 80,000 Litres Range 48.0 billion km (111 days at full power) Twin 15cm C6 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2) Range 240,000km TS: 10000 km/s Power 12-12 RM 5 ROF 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 3 3 3 Laser Fire Control S06 120-10000 (3) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 10000 km/s 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (6) Total Power Output 6 Armour 0 Exp 5% Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (6) Total Power Output 30 Armour 0 Exp 5% Size 1 AMM Launcher (6) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 10 Missile Fire Control FC3-R1 (70%) (3) Range 3.0m km Resolution 1 AMM-1-Shield II (2) (306) Speed: 39,200 km/s End: 1.3m Range: 3m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 379 / 227 / 113 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Rather low on spares, might put another engineering section or two on.
As others have stated, no anti-missile active on board.
The turret and laser firecon tracking speed is very slow for a anti-missile ship, you might want to up that. Also, for anti-missile work, I´d go with 10cm lasers, but that is a personal preference, so you might want a different approach, like using the turrets for anti-ship work too.
3 Anti-Missile FCs seem a bit much for just 6 tubes

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My moust doubted design: My flagship
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Watson II class Command Ship 7500 tons 490 Crew 1854.5 BP TCS 150 TH 375 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 7-34 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 150% IFR: 2.1% Maint Capacity 2464 MSP Max Repair 420 MSP Est Time: 2.3 Years Flag Bridge Magazine 750 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 280,000 Litres Range 168.0 billion km (388 days at full power) ASM-3-Javelin (155) Speed: 40,000 km/s End: 20.8m Range: 50m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 133 / 80 / 40 AMM-1-Shield III (285) Speed: 40,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 3.6m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 466 / 280 / 140 Active Search Sensor MR134-R40 (1) GPS 16800 Range 134.4m km Resolution 40 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

I take it, this doubles as collier/supply ship. Huge stock of spares, but only mediocre engineering. I´d probably add an engineering section or two, to keep your flagship from eating all those spares all by itself.
A rather wierd ship. An unarmed ship serving as a flagship, strange.

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My carrier:
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Queensland V class Carrier 7500 tons 332 Crew 1277 BP TCS 150 TH 375 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 5-34 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 150% IFR: 2.1% Maint Capacity 1319 MSP Max Repair 94 MSP Est Time: 3.84 Years Hangar Deck Capacity 3000 tons Magazine 300 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 120.0 billion km (277 days at full power) ASM-3-Javelin II (100) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Well, it´s a carrier and it does what it is designed to do, carry its gunboats to the battle. Seems to be ok.
Only thing to consider would be to lower the armor somewhat (I assume the carrier is NOT intended to go into the thick of fighting), if this allows you to either up the missile loadout (120 missiles, or 4 reloads make more sense than 100) or maybe even manage to cram another gunboat in.

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With gunboats:
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Rommel IV class Gunboat 1000 tons 65 Crew 264.5 BP TCS 20 TH 288 EM 0 14400 km/s Armour 4-8 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 4.5 Annual Failure Rate: 80% IFR: 1.1% Maint Capacity 17 MSP Max Repair 105 MSP Est Time: 0.2 Years Magazine 30 GB Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E52 (1) Power 287.5 Fuel Use 520% Signature 287.5 Armour 0 Exp 36% Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range 17.3 billion km (13 days at full power) Size 3 Box Launcher (10) Missile Size 3 Hangar Reload 22.5 minutes MF Reload 3.7 hours Missile Fire Control FC60-R30 (70%) (1) Range 60.5m km Resolution 30 ASM-3-Javelin II (10) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 ECM 10 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Rather small salvo-size, probably due to the armor. Personally, I don´t armor FACs. Anything serious hitting them, will put them out of the fight anyway, so better make sure the one salvo they can get off realy counts.

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Scouts
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Lookout II class Scout 3000 tons 256 Crew 1030.5 BP TCS 60 TH 312.5 EM 0 10416 km/s Armour 5-18 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 0 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 600% IFR: 8.3% Maint Capacity 0 MSP Max Repair 420 MSP Est Time: 0 Years Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (5) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Active Search Sensor MR134-R40 (1) GPS 16800 Range 134.4m km Resolution 40 ECM 20 This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

A scout without any passive sensors. Your whole fleet lacks any passive sensors for that matter. This will force you to run around with your actives on all the time, broadcasting your presense all over the place. I´m not sure this is such a good idea.
As others have said, this one will start falling appart as soon as it leaves orbit.

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And my missile cruiser.
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Guderian II class Missile Cruiser 7450 tons 815 Crew 1990.9 BP TCS 149 TH 375 EM 0 5033 km/s Armour 4-33 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 39 Annual Failure Rate: 88% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 835 MSP Max Repair 630 MSP Est Time: 1.25 Years Magazine 489 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (6) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 90,000 Litres Range 54.4 billion km (125 days at full power) Size 3 Missile Launcher (13) Missile Size 3 Rate of Fire 30 Missile Fire Control FC60-R30 (70%) (1) Range 60.5m km Resolution 30 ASM-3-Javelin II (163) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 Active Search Sensor MR67-R20 (50%) (1) GPS 8400 Range 67.2m km Resolution 20 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Too little engineering sections. Looking at the number of spares, I take it you are using maintanence storage in some of your designs. While those help keeping your ships running, they are not cost-effective in that function. Put some more engineering sections on to lower the chance for maintenance failurs.

I have recently changed my fleet to use 25% size launchers exclusively, along with enough magazine space for a single reload. Yes, the ROF is horrible, but the ability to launch truely massive salvos more than makes up for this, IMO. Avoiding box-launchers allows for reloading in space without the need to fly back to a planetary base or carrying along a truely massive carrier. A fleet train is obviously a must in that case.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: UnLimiTeD on June 25, 2010, 06:29:20 PM: I found that mostly, per Hullsize, Engineering spaces come with just as many spares as Maint. Storages.
They just cost more.
Given that Eng. Spaces will make your ships last longer, having some more always helps.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: symon on June 25, 2010, 09:30:18 PM: Quote from: "Hawkeye"
Also, for anti-missile work, I´d go with 10cm lasers, but that is a personal preference, so you might want a different approach, like using the turrets for anti-ship work too.
Got to endorse quad 10cm lasers for point defence. If you can get in close, you can then switch them to offence and gut your opponent before his missiles fire again. The damage may be low, but the volume of fire coupled with the 5s recharge time is quite punishing.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Erik L on June 26, 2010, 02:01:49 AM: The turret RoF is 5sec, so I can't see that it matters all that much 10cm vs. 15cm. I usually go with the biggest I can with a 5s RoF.

I'd also standardize your missiles across the fleet. You seem to have 2 or 3 different generations of missiles on different ships.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Brian Neumann on June 26, 2010, 07:43:04 AM: Personnal preference for me is either 10, 12, or 15 cm mesons. I usually use the 10cm as they are very effective against incomming missiles and don't care if the missile is armoured. Once I can get the 15cm up to a 5 second cycle time then I switch to them. I only use the 12cm ones when I can't get the 15cm mesons to fire every 5 seconds. There is a big gap in the amount of reasearch to be done for capaciter 4 and capaciter 6. (7000rp vs 30000rp) What symon said about them cutting an enemy up goes double for the mesons as you are ignoring their passive defenses. The drawback of course is that they are shorter ranged (1/2) than the lasers. If a laser armed guy gets close enough for effective use of the lasers then they are probably close enough for the small mesons to dice them up.

Mesons are also a good secondary weapon for another long ranged beam weapon like the particle beams (old style torpedo). At the point that lasers and railguns are starting to do more damage than the particle beam does the mesons also start getting in on the action. It has worked pretty well for me in several games.

And of course the third reason I like mesons is they are also the only point defense for a lot of planets.

Brian
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: UnLimiTeD on June 26, 2010, 08:17:44 AM: Yep, Mesons are pretty awesome against NPRs.
In an RP game, be advised, though, that enemy missile ships can be a hassle.
A Ship with a big enough load can have you shoot empty magazines for minutes.

For Point defense, smaller weapons are generally smaller, who would have guessed, so you can mount more of them.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Brian Neumann on June 26, 2010, 08:27:22 AM: Quote from: "UnLimiTeD"
Yep, Mesons are pretty awesome against NPRs.
In an RP game, be advised, though, that enemy missile ships can be a hassle.
A Ship with a big enough load can have you shoot empty magazines for minutes.

For Point defense, smaller weapons are generally smaller, who would have guessed, so you can mount more of them.

And that is the main reason that 15cm is about the biggest weapon that I use for point defense. Anything larger starts getting significantly larger in hull size and requires a lot more power as well.

As for ships with empty magazines, I try not to shoot them untill the main beam armed ships are out of action. If it takes a little more time to take them out then that is fine with me. They probably do not have a heavy beam weapon suite if they are primarily missile armed ships anyway.

Brian

P.S. If the magazine isn't empty then that is just fine as I may get it to explode and do lots of damage to the ship.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Aldaris on June 26, 2010, 12:22:53 PM: Yes, the Watson is a fleet support vessel with a flag bridge, it's got very thick armour so that the command crew doesn't get killed in a magazine explosion.
The Lookout is meant to provide sensor coverage for the Rommels, good catch on the lack of engineering.
The Cerebus is meant to accompany Guderians and Queenslands, and use their fuel and maintenance stocks, as well as their active sensor coverage.
As for the fire control issue, how many seperate missiles can a single PD FC target? I thought I need a seperate FC for each target.

My main problem with these designs was a constant shortage of space because my jump engine tech sucks, I'm currently finalising the designs for a 10000 ton fleet. The lack of passives and the need to update the missile stocks was also a good one.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: UnLimiTeD on June 26, 2010, 12:49:59 PM: Well, make a dedicated Jump ship for that.
Also, having more engineering spaces on a ship will reduce the amount of spares it needs, probably freeing space on those other ships.
Thats where you could invest the savings from using a little smaller weapons

Missile Firecontrols Can target one enemy salvo at a time.
So a huge salvo of 20 missiles can be engaged by a single AM MFC.
5 salvos of 4 need 5 firecontrols.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Aldaris on June 26, 2010, 03:10:03 PM: Thank you, this will save an enormous amount of mass in future designs.And I do have a jumpship, although as of yet I haven't produced a dedicated military one.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: UnLimiTeD on June 26, 2010, 03:20:01 PM: Well, you need one to jump with military ships (unless theres a JG).
Given that if need be, the Jump Ship doesn't need to do much else but let the fleet jump, and the max ship size it can help jump is it's own (if smaller than the max of the jump engine), make it big, and give it armor. It can also double as a Tanker if you want to burn space.
For maintenance, I'd recommend a dedicated supply ship, probably commercial.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Aldaris on June 26, 2010, 03:36:30 PM: Okay, here's my 10000 ton designs which haven't been locked yet. I've tried taking into account the advice and holepoking provided so far.

Missile battelcruiser
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Cobra class Battlecruiser 10000 tons 1033 Crew 2531.2 BP TCS 200 TH 500 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 7-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 10 PPV 45 Annual Failure Rate: 80% IFR: 1.1% Maint Capacity 1582 MSP Max Repair 630 MSP Est Time: 2.05 Years Magazine 645 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (8) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 160,000 Litres Range 72.0 billion km (166 days at full power) Size 3 Missile Launcher (15) Missile Size 3 Rate of Fire 30 Missile Fire Control FC60-R30 (70%) (1) Range 60.5m km Resolution 30 ASM-3-Javelin II (213) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 Active Search Sensor MR67-R20 (50%) (1) GPS 8400 Range 67.2m km Resolution 20 ECCM-2 (1) ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Laser PD ship
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Attorney class Escort 10000 tons 1203 Crew 3391 BP TCS 200 TH 500 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 6-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 7 PPV 90 Annual Failure Rate: 114% IFR: 1.6% Maint Capacity 1484 MSP Max Repair 180 MSP Est Time: 3.3 Years Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (8) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 160,000 Litres Range 72.0 billion km (166 days at full power) Twin 15cm C6 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (9x2) Range 240,000km TS: 10000 km/s Power 12-12 RM 5 ROF 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 3 3 3 Laser Fire Control S06 120-10000 (2) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 10000 km/s 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (4) Total Power Output 20 Armour 0 Exp 5% Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (10) Total Power Output 100 Armour 0 Exp 5% Active Search Sensor (Point Defense) MR0-R1 (50%) (1) GPS 21 Range 231k km Resolution 1 ECM 20 This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
AMM Area Defense Cruiser
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Embasy class Area Defence Cruiser 10000 tons 825 Crew 2444.1 BP TCS 200 TH 500 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 6-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 7 PPV 23 Annual Failure Rate: 114% IFR: 1.6% Maint Capacity 1069 MSP Max Repair 273 MSP Est Time: 2.14 Years Magazine 1073 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (8) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 120,000 Litres Range 54.0 billion km (125 days at full power) Size 1 AMM Launcher (23) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 10 Missile Fire Control FC3-R1 (70%) (3) Range 3.0m km Resolution 1 AMM-1-Shield III (1073) Speed: 40,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 3.6m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 466 / 280 / 140 Active Search Sensor MR3-R1 (1) GPS 273 Range 3.0m km Resolution 1 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Heavily armoured jump ship
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Mentor class Jump Ship 10000 tons 778 Crew 2648 BP TCS 200 TH 812.5 EM 0 8125 km/s JR 4-500 Armour 10-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 40/40/0/0 Damage Control Rating 8 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 100% IFR: 1.4% Maint Capacity 2324 MSP Max Repair 650 MSP Est Time: 2.19 Years J10000(4-500) Assault Jump Drive Max Ship Size 10000 tons Distance 500k km Squadron Size 4 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (13) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 90.0 billion km (128 days at full power) CIWS-200 (1x6) Range 1000 km TS: 20000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit Thermal Sensor TH5-40 (70%) (1) Sensitivity 40 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 40m km EM Detection Sensor EM5-40 (70%) (1) Sensitivity 40 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 40m km ECM 20 This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: UnLimiTeD on June 26, 2010, 04:10:28 PM: Quote from: "Aldaris"
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Cobra class Battlecruiser 10000 tons 1033 Crew 2531.2 BP TCS 200 TH 500 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 7-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 10 PPV 45 Annual Failure Rate: 80% IFR: 1.1% Maint Capacity 1582 MSP Max Repair 630 MSP Est Time: 2.05 Years Magazine 645 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (8) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 160,000 Litres Range 72.0 billion km (166 days at full power) Size 3 Missile Launcher (15) Missile Size 3 Rate of Fire 30 Missile Fire Control FC60-R30 (70%) (1) Range 60.5m km Resolution 30 ASM-3-Javelin II (213) Speed: 50,000 km/s End: 16m Range: 48m km WH: 5 Size: 3 TH: 200 / 120 / 60 Active Search Sensor MR67-R20 (50%) (1) GPS 8400 Range 67.2m km Resolution 20 ECCM-2 (1) ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Well rounded. I take those are reduced size launchers? The fire rate could probably use a boost.
However, if done correctly, I don't think you need expensive electronic hardening on a ship fighting at range, that should normally be supported by a fleet scout.

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Laser PD ship
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Attorney class Escort 10000 tons 1203 Crew 3391 BP TCS 200 TH 500 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 6-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 7 PPV 90 Annual Failure Rate: 114% IFR: 1.6% Maint Capacity 1484 MSP Max Repair 180 MSP Est Time: 3.3 Years Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (8) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 160,000 Litres Range 72.0 billion km (166 days at full power) Twin 15cm C6 Far Ultraviolet Laser Turret (9x2) Range 240,000km TS: 10000 km/s Power 12-12 RM 5 ROF 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 3 3 3 Laser Fire Control S06 120-10000 (2) Max Range: 240,000 km TS: 10000 km/s 96 92 88 83 79 75 71 67 62 58 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (4) Total Power Output 20 Armour 0 Exp 5% Magnetic Confinement Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (10) Total Power Output 100 Armour 0 Exp 5% Active Search Sensor (Point Defense) MR0-R1 (50%) (1) GPS 21 Range 231k km Resolution 1 ECM 20 This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
In this specific case, I would really take another firecontrol on board, maybe at the cost of a turret.
If you use AMMs as your primary defense, the Lasers will mainly be used to fight off stragglers, which is more likely to be small salvo sizes, letting all that firepower go to waste.
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AMM Area Defense Cruiser
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Embasy class Area Defence Cruiser 10000 tons 825 Crew 2444.1 BP TCS 200 TH 500 EM 0 5000 km/s Armour 6-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 7 PPV 23 Annual Failure Rate: 114% IFR: 1.6% Maint Capacity 1069 MSP Max Repair 273 MSP Est Time: 2.14 Years Magazine 1073 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (8) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 120,000 Litres Range 54.0 billion km (125 days at full power) Size 1 AMM Launcher (23) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 10 Missile Fire Control FC3-R1 (70%) (3) Range 3.0m km Resolution 1 AMM-1-Shield III (1073) Speed: 40,000 km/s End: 1.5m Range: 3.6m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 466 / 280 / 140 Active Search Sensor MR3-R1 (1) GPS 273 Range 3.0m km Resolution 1 ECM 20 Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
I think it's written Embassy.

Did you notice your AMMs are slower than your ASMs?
You couldn't even fight off your own missiles if they don't come directly ahead at you.
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Heavily armoured jump ship
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Mentor class Jump Ship 10000 tons 778 Crew 2648 BP TCS 200 TH 812.5 EM 0 8125 km/s JR 4-500 Armour 10-41 Shields 0-0 Sensors 40/40/0/0 Damage Control Rating 8 PPV 0 Annual Failure Rate: 100% IFR: 1.4% Maint Capacity 2324 MSP Max Repair 650 MSP Est Time: 2.19 Years J10000(4-500) Assault Jump Drive Max Ship Size 10000 tons Distance 500k km Squadron Size 4 Magnetic Confinement Fusion Drive E4 (13) Power 125 Fuel Use 40% Signature 62.5 Armour 0 Exp 5% Fuel Capacity 200,000 Litres Range 90.0 billion km (128 days at full power) CIWS-200 (1x6) Range 1000 km TS: 20000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit Thermal Sensor TH5-40 (70%) (1) Sensitivity 40 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 40m km EM Detection Sensor EM5-40 (70%) (1) Sensitivity 40 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 40m km ECM 20 This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes

Looks pretty good. Finally some passives.
I notice you have high fuel efficiency compared you other tech, like missile reload.
Do you intend to reuse your old command ships.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: mavikfelna on June 26, 2010, 07:45:27 PM: Overall, I agree with Unlimited but I'll add this;

If you can squeeze another firecontrol on each of the ships I think you'll find it a benefit. On the main missile combatants, if you can go to resolution 16 on the actives and firecon you'll be able to deal with gunboats much better, and it's also a good reason to have 2 firecon on those ships.

--Mav
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Hawkeye on June 26, 2010, 11:14:45 PM: The turrets and FC on the escort still only track at 10,000 km/s and will have a very _very_ hard time shooting down a missile moving at 40 to 50k (to-hit chance reduces by 75 to 80% on top of all other modifiers).
Generally, i use one firecon per turret, so I am able to defend against many small salvos, but one FC per two twin-turrets might be ok too.
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Aldaris on June 27, 2010, 04:21:25 AM: My power and propulsion scientists are very good, and my other good scientists are all logistics or construction, so my tech focus changed accordingly, I'll set to work on some new designs.
As for the AMMs, they've got a large manouverability bonus, something I didn't bother with on my ASMs.

Also, how exactly does ECM work? Does it only affect the ship it's mounted on or the whole fleet?
Title: Re: Terran Directorate ships
Post by: Brian Neumann on June 27, 2010, 06:10:43 AM: ECM and ECCM only work for the ship that it is mounted on.

ECCM counters an equal level of ECM. Any extra ECM is then applied against the fire control targeting the ship with the ECM.

Against beams the way ecm works is to be a flat modifier on the to hit channce. Take the base to hit from the range and subtract the ecm modifier. (Base to hit-(ecmx10)). At close range this is not to bad if the ecm is not to high. At longer ranges though this can be significant. ie at 3/4 of max fire control range you would normally have a 25% chance to hit. With one level of ecm not countered by your eccm this would go down to 15% to hit.

Against missiles it works to reduce the fire control range that can get a missile lockon. A level 1 ecm would reduce the targeting fire control range by 10% while a level 3 ecm would reduce the range by 30%. It will have no effect on the missiles actual chance to hit the target, just on the range it can be fired at.

Brian