Post by: SenorOcho on July 30, 2010, 10:14:50 AM
I went through the tutorials on the wiki, but am left with a general feeling of "well, NOW what?", as the tutorials seem to be entirely geared around basic interface, but at no point is a general goal given as to what I'm supposed to be doing in the short or long term.
I've started stumbling through setting up a new game, and put together a missile boat (I think)... is this going to be remotely effective for defending myself from anything I might run into early on?
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Resolution class Missile Boat 5350 tons 510 Crew 654.2 BP TCS 107 TH 320 EM 0
2990 km/s Armour 4-27 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 9 PPV 17
Annual Failure Rate: 25% IFR: 0.4% Maint Capacity 688 MSP Max Repair 45 MSP Est Time: 10.46 Years
Magazine 144
Nuclear Pulse Engine E10 (Mil) (8) Power 40 Fuel Use 100% Signature 40 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 50,000 Litres Range 16.8 billion km (65 days at full power)
Twin 10cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser Turret (1x2) Range 48,000km TS: 12000 km/s Power 6-6 RM 3 ROF 5 3 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 24-12000 (1) Max Range: 48,000 km TS: 12000 km/s 79 58 38 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
Pebble Bed Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (2) Total Power Output 6 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Size 4 Missile Launcher (2) Missile Size 4 Rate of Fire 40
Missile Fire Control FC0-R1 (1) Range 360k km Resolution 1
Size 4 Faster Anti-ship Missile (36) Speed: 9,400 km/s End: 40m Range: 22.6m km WH: 6 Size: 4 TH: 31 / 18 / 9
Active Search Sensor MR0-R1 (1) GPS 12 Range 60k km Resolution 1
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
I've got non-combat designs quite similar to the ones from the tutorial, but I'm feeling a bit clueless- can someone give me some direction?
Post by: Erik L on July 30, 2010, 01:19:47 PM
You only have 2 months cruising time before running out of fuel. That might not be an issue if the ship is operating in a fleet with a supply train.
You only have 2 launchers, so you'll need a bunch of ships to saturate the defenses of your target. You might also consider increasing the resolution of your fire control to improve range. You've got anti-missile class firecontrol running anti-ship launchers. If you look at the range of your firecontrol (360k) vs missile range (22.6m), your missiles have approximately 60x the range of your control. The rate of fire is a bit on the slow side, but that is improvable with research.
The missiles themselves (for my tastes) are a bit on the slow side. If you notice, your missiles have a 30% chance to hit ships moving the same speed as yours. And appreciably worse chances against faster targets.
You might consider stripping out the turret and power plant for additional launchers (and magazines). Then build a similar ship (copy design) and strip out the launchers and increase the turrets/anti-missile capabilities for a dedicated escort.
One thing about Aurora, it tends to favor the "naval design theory" vs the "Star Trek design theory", i.e. dedicated ship roles vs. "do-it-all Enterprise".
As for "Now what?" Go forth, explore the universe, crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women.
Post by: waresky on July 30, 2010, 01:49:24 PM
Erik's War experience are heavy in that.
Me same as Erik,specialization r "Key" in a crucial battle.
a good mixed Squadroon,Area Defence,FAC for fast attack on rear of the slowly enemyes fleet,Carriers for some roles,missile Cruiser for saturation,Gunboat or Battlecruiser with Heavy Deck Gun for crush enemy at JumpPoint,Minelayers for ambush'em and Colliers,Supplyers,Tankers,Cloaked Scouting ships,EM Jamming ships..
Rule an decent Empire in AURORA are absolutely a HARD matter..
but the MOST BETTER experience in a whole game worlds.
Post by: SenorOcho on July 30, 2010, 03:33:43 PM
I'll take that to mean that the speed, maintenance, and armor are about right for this kind of vessel at this stage of the game.
Post by: Erik L on July 30, 2010, 04:43:15 PM
Quote from: "SenorOcho"
Heh. So the ship is okay, but everything on it is wrong. Got it.
I'll take that to mean that the speed, maintenance, and armor are about right for this kind of vessel at this stage of the game.
Your speed is excellent for this stage. Armor is usually a personal preference, but it looks good too, and the maintenance is good.
One thing I just thought of, sensors. This ship is blind. No active sensors to see anything, and no passives either.
Post by: Maximillian on July 30, 2010, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: "SenorOcho"
Heh. So the ship is okay, but everything on it is wrong. Got it. ;)
The maintenance is high for a ship with such short legs. If it can only get about 32 days round trip from base or a resupply ship, it won't need that much in the way of on-board spares. You'll be able to repair battle damge fairly easily as well, but it might be more efficient to carry less maint. and add another launcher.
Max
Post by: Andrew on July 31, 2010, 05:39:11 AM
Post by: UnLimiTeD on July 31, 2010, 07:43:39 AM
For Mainline Ships, theres several Choices to do:
A) Speed, Armor, Firepower, chose two. Or be mediocre in all, thats fine aswell.
Possible Approaches might include heavily Armored or very fast Beam ships to outlast or catch the opponent,
and very fast or very powerful Missile Ships to kite or alpha-strike the enemy.
B) Specialized or Generalized?
This question has more facets than you might at first think.
Do you have onboard sensors on every big ship and every gunboat, or do you field backup sensors on mainline ships and have one or two Sensor ships that will grant better coverage of the system, but are a weakpoint in your fleet?
Will your ships have clearly defined functions, such as "Missile Destroyer" and "Anti-Missile Escort", or will you have back-up beam weapons on your Missile ships for Anti-Missile Coverage and Short range defense (Fleet Defense Doctrine)?
On higher techlevels, this can be even more fleshed out;
You can use 200k ton Superdreadnoughts; or specialize your ships to that point that you got 3 Different missile ships carrying different ordnance, and have beam armed Anti-Missile Escorts and Missile Armed Anti-Missile Escorts.
Will every ship carry a high amount of maintenance and fuel thus weakening it compared to your size-class, or do you rely on a good logistics train to supply fuel and spares?
Both paths have it's merits;
Selfsufficient fleets can operate for longer without support and are more likely to overcome unforeseen challenges. They also aren't slowed down by a slow supply fleet.
A logistically more demanding approach however might strip your ships of some weight, allowing for that extra 300 speed you need to outrun your enemies, or the extra weaponry to win prolonged fights. It's also often preferred in defensive situations, when stationed on a well populated colony, the supply train is non-existant, and maintenance won't be a problem. This approach is very often, especially on planets, executed with gunboat squadrons.
Same question, more specialized: Do your ships have big magazines, or do you prefer them faster or with more initial punch, but a low amount of reloads, and rely on Ammo Ships to rearm them?
Especially Anti-Missile Ships often need big magazines because you can't chose when you are attacked.
C) Research focus:
Most players prefer to specialize either on Missiles or Beam weapons, and maybe slowly develop the other, or part of it, to keep the specialized scientists happy and productive.
If you specialize on missiles, your unlikely to focus on more than two beamweapons.
The remaining question would be if you want those as Attack weapons for Mainline ships and gunboats, or take the Anti-Missile Role (like Gauss Cannons) and use your missiles for Anti-Ship mostly.
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On your current design, and tech level, a mild specialization is recommended, you don't have to tech to punch everything into a single hull and still be able to produce it. And the fleet defense approach needs more ships than you're likely to afford.
I'd recommend a sensor ship, for the higher range you'll have on higher range sensors, especially on your level, but a backup on your mainline ships is always a good idea.
As for your ordnance, use WH strengths that are squares of numbers, 1², 2², 3², etc. = 1, 4, 9, 16, 25. Those will be able to penetrate an extra layer of armor, everything in between just increases the Crater, which is mainly useful on really heavily armored ships.
So, use WH4 Missiles, and put the rest in extra speed. And maybe maneuverability if you got some tech in that already.
Here you should find a detailed discussion on Missile Design:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2150 (http://aurora.pentarch.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=2150)
Theres a Missile Design Calculator up somewhere to help you with finding the optimal design, but I didn't find it right now.
Post by: SenorOcho on July 31, 2010, 11:43:39 AM
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Apollo class Missile Boat 5700 tons 500 Crew 698.5 BP TCS 114 TH 320 EM 0
2807 km/s Armour 4-28 Shields 0-0 Sensors 5/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 18
Annual Failure Rate: 86% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 230 MSP Max Repair 48 MSP Est Time: 2.84 Years
Magazine 222
Nuclear Pulse Engine E10 (Mil) (8) Power 40 Fuel Use 100% Signature 40 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 500,000 Litres Range 157.9 billion km (651 days at full power)
Size 3 Missile Launcher (6) Missile Size 3 Rate of Fire 25
Missile Fire Control FC2-R10 (1) Range 2.4m km Resolution 10
Size 3 Anti-ship Missile (74) Speed: 10,000 km/s End: 25m Range: 15m km WH: 4 Size: 3 TH: 86 / 52 / 26
Active Search Sensor MR2-R10 (1) GPS 480 Range 2.4m km Resolution 10
Thermal Sensor TH1-5 (1) Sensitivity 5 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 5m km
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
And an escort to go with it...
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Artemis class Escort Cruiser 5800 tons 515 Crew 694.5 BP TCS 116 TH 320 EM 0
2758 km/s Armour 3-28 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 30
Annual Failure Rate: 89% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 225 MSP Max Repair 50 MSP Est Time: 2.67 Years
Nuclear Pulse Engine E10 (Mil) (8) Power 40 Fuel Use 100% Signature 40 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 500,000 Litres Range 155.1 billion km (651 days at full power)
Twin 10cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2) Range 48,000km TS: 12000 km/s Power 6-6 RM 3 ROF 5 3 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 24-12000 (1) Max Range: 48,000 km TS: 12000 km/s 79 58 38 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
Pebble Bed Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (2) Total Power Output 18 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Active Search Sensor MR0-R1 (1) GPS 16 Range 80k km Resolution 1
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Post by: welchbloke on July 31, 2010, 03:29:56 PM
Post by: UnLimiTeD on July 31, 2010, 04:30:08 PM
Yes, basically, you need to think big.
Yur Missile Fire control should have a range of atleast 10m.
In Aurora, a million kilometers is just not big.
The ship design itself is good, well, you'll need a sensor ship, but it'll work.
Your Escort Design will do ok.
If you go for the Fleet Scout Approach, get that ship with a little extra Armor and an R100 sensor with atleast 50m km range.
Post by: SenorOcho on July 31, 2010, 05:55:16 PM
I just took a look at orbit distances to get a better idea of ranges.. Before, I was just going off of:
1. 2.4m km seems pretty far
2. that's waaaay longer than anything I can do with beams
Oh well, I continue to be dissatisfied with my early game economic plans, so I've got plenty of chances to get this right.
Post by: UnLimiTeD on August 01, 2010, 05:56:01 AM
Post by: SenorOcho on August 02, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
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Ticonderoga class Missile Cruiser 5600 tons 541 Crew 739 BP TCS 112 TH 320 EM 0
2857 km/s Armour 2-28 Shields 0-0 Sensors 1/1/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 20
Annual Failure Rate: 83% IFR: 1.2% Maint Capacity 247 MSP Max Repair 96 MSP Est Time: 2.03 Years
Magazine 276
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (8) Power 40 Fuel Use 80% Signature 40 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 450,000 Litres Range 180.8 billion km (732 days at full power)
Size 4 Missile Launcher (5) Missile Size 4 Rate of Fire 30
Missile Fire Control FC11-R20 (1) Range 11.5m km Resolution 20
Size 4 Anti-ship Missile (68) Speed: 22,500 km/s End: 8.3m Range: 11.2m km WH: 4 Size: 4 TH: 120 / 72 / 36
Active Search Sensor MR11-R20 (1) GPS 1920 Range 11.5m km Resolution 20
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
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Tennessee class Escort Cruiser 5550 tons 522 Crew 654 BP TCS 111 TH 320 EM 0
2882 km/s Armour 2-27 Shields 0-0 Sensors 8/6/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 30
Annual Failure Rate: 82% IFR: 1.1% Maint Capacity 221 MSP Max Repair 50 MSP Est Time: 2.79 Years
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (8) Power 40 Fuel Use 80% Signature 40 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 450,000 Litres Range 182.4 billion km (732 days at full power)
Twin 10cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser Turret (3x2) Range 32,000km TS: 12000 km/s Power 6-6 RM 3 ROF 5 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 16-12000 (1) Max Range: 32,000 km TS: 12000 km/s 69 37 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Pebble Bed Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (6) Total Power Output 18 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Active Search Sensor MR0-R1 (1) GPS 16 Range 96k km Resolution 1
Thermal Sensor TH1-8 (1) Sensitivity 8 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 8m km
EM Detection Sensor EM1-6 (1) Sensitivity 6 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 6m km
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
And my first shot at some kind of sensor ship...
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Alaska class Scout Cruiser 5350 tons 432 Crew 678 BP TCS 107 TH 320 EM 0
2990 km/s Armour 4-27 Shields 0-0 Sensors 32/24/0/0 Damage Control Rating 3 PPV 10
Annual Failure Rate: 76% IFR: 1.1% Maint Capacity 238 MSP Max Repair 96 MSP Est Time: 2.08 Years
Nuclear Pulse Engine E8 (8) Power 40 Fuel Use 80% Signature 40 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 450,000 Litres Range 189.2 billion km (732 days at full power)
Twin 10cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser Turret (1x2) Range 32,000km TS: 12000 km/s Power 6-6 RM 3 ROF 5 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Fire Control S04 16-12000 (1) Max Range: 32,000 km TS: 12000 km/s 69 37 6 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Pebble Bed Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (2) Total Power Output 6 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Active Search Sensor MR11-R20 (1) GPS 1920 Range 11.5m km Resolution 20
Thermal Sensor TH4-32 (1) Sensitivity 32 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 32m km
EM Detection Sensor EM4-24 (1) Sensitivity 24 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 24m km
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
Also, new question: I saw a mention of ammo supply ships- how would I go about making/using such a thing?
Post by: Erik L on August 02, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
Your sensors are geared to 1000 ton ships. As an anti-ship design, you might increase (decrease?) the resolution to 2500 or a bit more. This will give you a boost in detection range. Your search scanner has the same range as your fire control. This severely limits you in practice. Once you detect them, they are already in your range, and possibly in theirs. Having search scanners with 4-5x the fire control range is my norm. From a personal standpoint, I like my warships to have ~1 year of fuel; you've got 2, but like I said that's a personal choice. Those are some nice missiles for your tech. Guessing mostly engine?
The Tennessee looks like a good all-around escort design. Again the fuel stocks.
Armor on both are a bit light. Especially with no shields. A single hit from one of your own missiles will cause internal damage.
The Alaska. For a dedicated scout, it is very myopic. My scouts will have 2-3x the scan range of the non-scouts, in this case the Tico would have a scan range of ~50m km and the Alaska around 100m km. The fuel again, but you've kept the fuel the same across the designs, so that's good.
For a collier, design a ship with a crapload of magazines and in the upper right corner of the F5 design screen you should see "Collier". Check the box.
Post by: SenorOcho on August 02, 2010, 02:22:39 PM
I haven't run into a reason to restart yet, so I'll research up some suitable sensors.
For the armor... so a hit that matches the armor rating causes internal damage? Unlimited's post made it sound like a size 4 warhead would do damage as:
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o x oWith the Xs being damaged armor boxes, so such a hit would exactly breach an armor rating 2 ship on one column, correct? Or am I completely misunderstanding how this works?
Edit: And yes, the missile was 1x Warhead, 2.25x Engine, 0.25x Fuel, 0.5x Maneuver (I think)
Post by: Erik L on August 02, 2010, 02:31:40 PM
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Enterprise class Cruiser 9000 tons 746 Crew 1658.2 BP TCS 180 TH 300 EM 450
2222 km/s JR 3-50 Armour 6-38 Shields 15-300 Sensors 30/30/0/0 Damage Control Rating 9 PPV 26
Annual Failure Rate: 72% IFR: 1% Maint Capacity 1036 MSP Max Repair 324 MSP Est Time: 2.48 Years
J9000(3-50) Military Jump Drive Max Ship Size 9000 tons Distance 50k km Squadron Size 3
Magneto-plasma Drive E7 (5) Power 80 Fuel Use 70% Signature 60 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres Range 71.4 billion km (372 days at full power)
Beta R300/10.5 Shields (10) Total Fuel Cost 105 Litres per day
Twin Gauss Cannon R1-100 Turret (1x6) Range 10,000km TS: 12000 km/s Power 0-0 RM 1 ROF 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
CIWS-120 (1x6) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
10cm Railgun V1/C3 (3x4) Range 10,000km TS: 3000 km/s Power 3-3 RM 1 ROF 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
"Phalanx-24" XS Tracking System (1) Max Range: 48,000 km TS: 12000 km/s 79 58 38 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
Stellarator Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (3) Total Power Output 18 Armour 0 Exp 5%
AS "Guardian-67" Search Scanner (1) GPS 11200 Range 67.2m km Resolution 40
"Therma-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
"Magne-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
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Fletcher class Cruiser 9000 tons 833 Crew 1747.68 BP TCS 180 TH 300 EM 450
2222 km/s Armour 6-38 Shields 15-300 Sensors 30/30/0/0 Damage Control Rating 9 PPV 33
Annual Failure Rate: 72% IFR: 1% Maint Capacity 1092 MSP Max Repair 280 MSP Est Time: 2.81 Years
Magazine 334
Magneto-plasma Drive E7 (5) Power 80 Fuel Use 70% Signature 60 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres Range 71.4 billion km (372 days at full power)
Beta R300/10.5 Shields (10) Total Fuel Cost 105 Litres per day
CIWS-120 (1x6) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
10cm Railgun V1/C3 (3x4) Range 10,000km TS: 3000 km/s Power 3-3 RM 1 ROF 5 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
"Phalanx-24" XS Tracking System (1) Max Range: 48,000 km TS: 12000 km/s 79 58 38 17 0 0 0 0 0 0
Stellarator Fusion Reactor Technology PB-1 AR-0 (2) Total Power Output 12 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Heavy Missile Launcher (2) Missile Size 12 Rate of Fire 120
MFC "Catapult-201" Control Suite (1) Range 201.6m km Resolution 40
Mk1 Heavy Missile (28) Speed: 15,000 km/s End: 71.4m Range: 64.3m km WH: 12 Size: 12 TH: 95 / 57 / 28
AS "Guardian-67" Search Scanner (1) GPS 11200 Range 67.2m km Resolution 40
"Therma-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
"Magne-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The Fletcher is the long-range counter-part to the Enterprise. I'm not happy with this design as it only has 2 launchers. A future refit might drop the launchers to Light (size 4) or Medium (Size 
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Lexington class Missile Destroyer 7600 tons 748 Crew 1518.68 BP TCS 152 TH 300 EM 450
2631 km/s Armour 3-34 Shields 15-300 Sensors 30/30/0/0 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 32
Annual Failure Rate: 92% IFR: 1.3% Maint Capacity 624 MSP Max Repair 280 MSP Est Time: 1.71 Years
Magazine 342
Magneto-plasma Drive E7 (5) Power 80 Fuel Use 70% Signature 60 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres Range 84.6 billion km (372 days at full power)
Beta R300/10.5 Shields (10) Total Fuel Cost 105 Litres per day
CIWS-120 (1x6) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
Light Missile Launcher (8) Missile Size 4 Rate of Fire 40
MFC "Catapult-201" Control Suite (1) Range 201.6m km Resolution 40
Mk1 Light Missile (85) Speed: 15,000 km/s End: 71.4m Range: 64.3m km WH: 4 Size: 4 TH: 95 / 57 / 28
AS "Guardian-67" Search Scanner (1) GPS 11200 Range 67.2m km Resolution 40
"Therma-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
"Magne-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
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Spruance class Destroyer Escort 8350 tons 738 Crew 2269.08 BP TCS 167 TH 300 EM 450
2395 km/s Armour 3-36 Shields 15-300 Sensors 30/30/0/0 Damage Control Rating 5 PPV 16
Annual Failure Rate: 111% IFR: 1.5% Maint Capacity 849 MSP Max Repair 280 MSP Est Time: 1.86 Years
Magazine 326
Magneto-plasma Drive E7 (5) Power 80 Fuel Use 70% Signature 60 Armour 0 Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres Range 77.0 billion km (372 days at full power)
Beta R300/10.5 Shields (10) Total Fuel Cost 105 Litres per day
CIWS-120 (1x6) Range 1000 km TS: 12000 km/s ROF 5 Base 50% To Hit
AM Launcher (16) Missile Size 1 Rate of Fire 10
MFC "Flechette-5" Control Suite (4) Range 5.0m km Resolution 1
Mk1 AM (326) Speed: 15,000 km/s End: 114.3m Range: 102.9m km WH: 1 Size: 1 TH: 50 / 30 / 15
AM "Morningstar-16" Search Scanner (1) GPS 280 Range 1.7m km Resolution 1
"Therma-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
"Magne-30" Military Scanner (1) Sensitivity 30 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 30m km
Missile to hit chances are vs targets moving at 3000 km/s, 5000 km/s and 10,000 km/s
This design is classed as a military vessel for maintenance purposes
The Spruance is the escort class for the fleet. It can engage 4 salvos at once. And yes, I know the search scanner is far out-ranged by the MFC.Current fleet is 3 Fletcher, 1 Enterprise, 3 Lexingtons, and 3 Spruance.
I should note that these designs are also not battle-tested. I've only discovered 17 systems in 13 years, with 14 being surveyed. I've got 1 extraterrestrial colony on Mars (archaelogical site). I've got 2 prime colony spots (under 1 cost) and 3 in the 2-4 range.
Post by: Erik L on August 02, 2010, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: "SenorOcho"
I was starting to wonder how many "No, BIGGER!" responses it would take for someone to throw a number at me. The sort of mind that would be attracted to this game is far better with specifics. :)
Post by: Steve Walmsley on August 02, 2010, 02:53:11 PM
Quote from: "SenorOcho"
I was starting to wonder how many "No, BIGGER!" responses it would take for someone to throw a number at me. The sort of mind that would be attracted to this game is far better with specifics.Yes, that would be the pattern for a size 4 warhead. No actual damage would penetrate to the ship with armour rating 2 but there would be a hole in the armour. Another hit in the same location would penetrate. You can see the effects of hits on the armour if you check the Armour Status tab on the F6 Ship window for the damaged ship.
I haven't run into a reason to restart yet, so I'll research up some suitable sensors.
For the armor... so a hit that matches the armor rating causes internal damage? Unlimited's post made it sound like a size 4 warhead would do damage as:Code: [Select]x x x
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With the Xs being damaged armor boxes, so such a hit would exactly breach an armor rating 2 ship on one column, correct? Or am I completely misunderstanding how this works?
Edit: And yes, the missile was 1x Warhead, 2.25x Engine, 0.25x Fuel, 0.5x Maneuver (I think)
Don't get too concerned about perfect designs when you are just learning the game. When you start to fight aliens you will soon realise which areas of your ship designs need improvement, and those areas are often different against different enemies.
Steve
Post by: Kurt on August 02, 2010, 04:12:02 PM
Quote from: "Erik Luken"
Quote from: "SenorOcho"I was starting to wonder how many "No, BIGGER!" responses it would take for someone to throw a number at me. The sort of mind that would be attracted to this game is far better with specifics. :)
My two cents: CIWs are nice on high value targets, but I generally don't use them throughout my fleet. The reason is that CIWS only protect the mounting ship, whereas a laser or meson turret can protect the entire fleet, and if a lot of ships mount a turret or two, their defensive fire can protect the entire fleet from a fairly large salvo, whereas if every ship mounts a CIWS then those CIWS only protect the mounting ships.
Kurt
Post by: UnLimiTeD on August 02, 2010, 04:48:13 PM
I'd reduce it to 300k, get an extra engineering space or maybe a level of armor (2 or 3 is ok for a start, generally, so your not bad off) and increase the Resolution of the Scout to 100 (geared for 5000 Ton ships).
Also, if one of your ships is a little ligher and a little faster than the other ships, that doesn't actually benefit you that much.
Maybe on Area Defense/Anti-Missile, allowing maneuvering.
Good missiles this time, reasonable range, shorter than your missile armed opponents most likely, but good enough to fight an enemy at range, really good speed for the tech level, and a size 4 warhead.
Post by: Erik L on August 02, 2010, 05:10:22 PM
Quote from: "Kurt"
My two cents: CIWs are nice on high value targets, but I generally don't use them throughout my fleet. The reason is that CIWS only protect the mounting ship, whereas a laser or meson turret can protect the entire fleet, and if a lot of ships mount a turret or two, their defensive fire can protect the entire fleet from a fairly large salvo, whereas if every ship mounts a CIWS then those CIWS only protect the mounting ships.
Kurt
I tend to operate a lot of ships in single deployments. And on survey ships it's nice to be able to at least pretend they can survive
Post by: SenorOcho on August 02, 2010, 05:46:59 PM
Alien ship with at least 6 armor collided with it at 8000 km/s (With TH960...). Wasn't expecting that, and however they did it is well beyond my current tech, as I can't seem to recreate it- armor rating 6 ship hits hard diminishing returns at about 5700 km/s with current tech, and that's assuming no other weight distractions like fuel, etc.
Looks like I'm gonna need some bigger weapons to deal with that sort of thing.
Post by: Beersatron on August 02, 2010, 10:00:39 PM
Quote from: "SenorOcho"
My jump scout just made first contact... literally.
Alien ship with at least 6 armor collided with it at 8000 km/s (With TH960...). Wasn't expecting that, and however they did it is well beyond my current tech, as I can't seem to recreate it- armor rating 6 ship hits hard diminishing returns at about 5700 km/s with current tech, and that's assuming no other weight distractions like fuel, etc.
Looks like I'm gonna need some bigger weapons to deal with that sort of thing.
I do not want to spoil your game because I believe that Aurora should be played as 'blind' as possible, but ... [spoiler:1xyx9qzy]I would recommend you disable Precursors in your game start screen otherwise you will be in a world of hurt which will ruin the game for you at start an early stage[/spoiler:1xyx9qzy]
Post by: SenorOcho on August 03, 2010, 06:03:31 AM
Post by: Steve Walmsley on August 03, 2010, 12:01:46 PM
Quote from: "SenorOcho"
Meh, it was just a jump scout far from home. Not like I got ganked within Sol.Famous last words
Steve