Aurora 4x
Fiction => Aurora => Panopticon's Fiction => Topic started by: Vynadan on August 19, 2011, 09:03:28 AM
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I've allowed myself to piece a political world map together. I'll update it whenever a new Empire posts its official introduction post or something happens in the story that changes the political borders. If Panopticon has something he'd like me to put in as well (a landmark, or whatever), I can do so, too. As I'm not the best with geography ... If you find a mistake please point me to it =) Especially if it's some oversight concerning your own faction.
(http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/6042/worldmapk.jpg)
Neo-Italia
"... the Italian government ... [...] so we have switzerland and a piece of france (a tiny piece! i swear! it's just the cote d'azur!)"
The New Zion Defense League
"The Defense League grew out of the mountain states of the western US."
Japanese Alliance
"Japan, North and South Korea"
Northern Kingdom
"Germany, Denmark, United Kingdom (Great Britain and Northern Ireland), Ireland"
Communidad Mediterraneo
"Spain, Portugal, Morocco, the rest of southern France, Tunisia, northern Algeria and Libya"
Inuk
"Pretty much everything north of 60 degrees north latitude (excluding mainland Quebec), plus the rest of the Alaskan & Scandinavian peninsulas, the Kamchatka penninsula, Sakhalin island (contested), the Kurile islands (contested), the Aleutian islands, and the north bank of the Neva river from Saint Petersburg to Lake Ladoga."]/i]
The Empire of New Canada
"Canadian provinces and portions of the northern United States"
People's Socialist Canton Republic
"South East China Chinese Provinces of (Quangdong, Hainan, Fujian, Guangxi, Jiangxi, Hunan )"
The New Dutch Republic
Previously dutch controled areas
Shadowveil
"From Luthuania, down to Ukraine across to around Akmola"
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NICE!
Just, i wrote it down later, it's called Neo-Italy (Neo-Italia)
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Classy, you might put some mark in Mexico where the first vault was found, the site is still radioactive (antimatter is nasty stuff) but the area around it is accorded neutral territory, and all the major nations have soldiers there to attempt to defend against another outbreak. It is also the site where international treaties will be discussed and stuff like that.
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I took the freedom to ignore Andorra and put it into the Communidad Mediterraneo since it was just being in the way xD
I also included the 'Northern Kingdom' and took the UK part as 'not the rest of Ireland', but I'm not sure about that. As it's still under construction I'll wait for it to be finished.
Added the Yucatan Penninsula as international neutral territory.
I also noticed that while updating the map the Communidad Mediterraneo grew to Tunesia and northern Algeria - I'll include that the next time I update.
Earth is slowly getting populated again =)
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The People would like to be pink on the map. It's an ancient Canadian in-joke.
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- Added Tunesia and northern Algeria to Communidad Mediterraneo
- Removed southern Lybia from Communidad Mediterraneo ("northern Algeria and Libya" means only northern Libya to me?)
- Added rest of Ireland and Denmark (without Greenland after inquiry, so no dispute with the 60° thing of you Tim) to Northern Kingdom
- Pinkified the northern hemisphere => >60° includes northern Russia for me, but "north bank of Neva" implies otherwise - am I mistaken here?
- Kurile and Aleutian islands aren't even on the raw map I used, so I couldn't pinkify them. sorry xD
Thought about making the borders less straight for realism, especially for Inuk and Zion (as they look surreal to me the way I drew their borders so far), but that'd be quite some work if I want to keep the white borders ... dunno if I'll change that in later versions.
And damn did I have to google many names for your geographical description Tim :D
*edit*
Forgot to erase the borders of Alaska and Scandinavia, fixing it for the next update.
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I have no problem with anything you want to do with my borders to make them more realistic. As an idea, I'd suggest running them along any convenient rivers that are in more-or-less the right place. (Though in Canada 60 degrees is the political border between the provinces and the three arctic territories - so there really is a 3,000 mile long straight line on the map.)
As to the Neva, I was looking as St. Petersburg there so close to my claimed territory, and thinking about the value of a non-icebound port, and said to myself 'what if I only had like half of the city? It could be fun arguing with a (theoretical) Russian/Soviet player about our borders and resources.
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Hi just a quick note my "portions of the northern United States" doesn't have to be big.
I'm mostly just interested in Canada.
Although I wouldn't mind if I had all the shores of the great lakes.
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Added New Canada and tried to smooth some borders - The rivers were a good idea but I found a total of one river in the northern and eastern parts of Russia that had a west-east flow, all others are almost exclusivly moving north-south :S As a result the borders look a bit ... snakey to me, but oh well.
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Some interesting side notes for you:
The "Japanese Alliance" should probably own Sakalin Island. If I recall it (or a part of it) used to belong to Japan in WWII, and the Soviets took ownership.
Also I don't see Koreans willingly accepting the Japanese on their shores unless things were really bad - Korea was occupied by Japan from 1910ish to the end of WWII and the Koreans were often treated pretty badly by the Japanese. I think only recently did Japan apologize to the Koreans for their treatment during occupation.
Likewise with the UK taking over Ireland - the Irish fought a war for independence at the turn of the 20th century. The Irish would not gladly welcome the British unless there was a bloody good reason.
Where both China and India have 1+ billion people before the conflicts began, I'm surprised there's no nations.
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The world spent nearly two decades under attack my nigh unstoppable murderous robots, it is safe to say things got pretty bad. And knowing Japans history it might not be to farfetched to assume their occupation of Korea was a little less... mutual than the official history indicates. Likewise Ireland and the UK.
The empires on the map are by no means the entirety of the human race, simply the organized governments with TN technology, if new players join (Such as your other friends to the north in Canada just did) I can fairly easily come up with some excuse to write them into the plot.
I am sure there are survivors in China and India, as well as all other parts of the globe, but the Invaders were not equitably distributed and roamed the planet for 19 years, given that much leeway you can generally rationalize almost any government set up, or lack thereof.
Those uninhabited portions of the globe may yet have a part to play in the game too, unknown stretches of territory are rich sources of PLOTonium.
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It's all a mix of fairness, amount of players and ragtack fictional history here.
For me, I initially didn't plan on including Korea into the Japanese Alliance at all, only after Panopticon announced we'd all start with 500 million people to keep it fair and reasonable fast I looked around Japan because I thought 500m living on the japanese islands is just ... too crowded. Even with the current ~130m they've got issues. Now with Korea 500m people in the nation is still surprising, but I didn't want to include any more territory for the start.
As for the annexation - things were really bad. Along with the Invader threat of super killing machines almost destroying the entire human race they also had a new direct war with North Korea - that lead South Korea to accept japanese military aid as neither Japan nor South Korea have a nuclear arsenal, North Korea however conducted several tests and could arguable be in possession of ready-to-fire missiles.
The internal political scene of the Japanese Alliance is far from silent, I do want to play out the inner tensions and the favour the new nation has towards the japanese - After all most of the foreign affairs run entirely through Japan, South Korea remains under local 'provincial' government and North Korea is as a matter of fact occupied by combined japanese and south korean forces.
But the whole thing is just fiction I made up - I'm in no way an expert with neither Korea nor Japan. I had read a few sentences about Sakalin Island but didn't even consider claiming it as japanese. That can still become a fun matter with the Inuk.
With China and India - There's just noone who wanted to play them. I can understand that Panopticon doesn't want to play over ninethousand different factions by himself just because they would probably have survived - I'd count most of the 'gray' world area under disarray and local political rule and our 'played' factions as sort-of new super powers that dominate the scene. You could always take up either China or India to spice the game up :P
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You could always take up either China or India to spice the game up :P
Thanks for the offer, but I have no real desire to participate in a PBM game. I just wanted to bring forward some facts which people may not have been aware of. FYI I'm neither Japanese nor Korean, just have a great interest in WWII history (and alternate history).
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Too bad you have no desire, the more the merrier (to some extent at least). It's nice that you remarked these things, but this is still fiction. I doubt the world will look like this in 30 years (damn me if it does). Also it's not like Korea and Japan are friends or like everything in my Kingdom is pretty. There's some resistance going on at least in my Northern Kingdom that is heavily suppressed. They're just quite rash in dealing with it and everything is being talked nice to the outside. It's not a monarchy for no reason.
Also for large areas not being populated. . well, that's the problem really. I would see it as those areas being without leaders or just being shut off (like Neo-Italy a bit). I would play a second empire, but that would get a bit hectic, one empire is enough for me to handle already. Also having multiple empires in the hands of one person might not be the best idea either. So we really do need more people I guess.
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man, my inbox is getting blown up already with 7 people, I wouldn't say we need more. I will still accept more however cause it is fun.
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Update of the Earth map needed <smile>
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Dutchling has stated an interest in controlling New York.
So I would like to retroactively unclaim the us.
Edit: see my next post
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I won't have a chance to work on the image until the weekend, expect updates to go online sometime then.
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I have agreed to give Dutchling New York in game.
Please disregard my last post, and transfer NY to the NDR.
Edit: fixed typo
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I have posted an image of the NDR on my post in the Empires thread.
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You have orange dots in Canton held territory, they would need to be removed, I think you aim was hongkong and macua and something to the north. Also your control of Taiwan will eventually cause friction amongst the Chinese people, we do not control it now but you will find it could be a sticking point. Fun if you want to do that but just a warning.
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I don't own any of the dots. Just the light and dark green territory.
Taiwan is in my 'I didn't know we (NL) ever owned that' category, so I'm willing to trade for it.
Like all your research labs or something reasonable like that ;)
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Hahha the Chinese people do not trade for territory that is rightfully there's. We will have fun with that friction then <smile>
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- Added NDR: I left out two islands south of India because they didn't even exist on my map. I appreciate the effort you put into that map of yours, but it was of too small resolution and distorted in its x/y coordinates, so I just repainted the stuff. I didn't want to put giant globs of teal over various ten-pixel islands and cities, so all the dutch territory isn't easily visible without opening the original-size image, but they're all in there. If i missed anything historical or storywise important, tell me and I'll add it. I also understood that the USA territories only included New York?
- Added PSCR: Hope I hit the various Chinese province borders good enough.
- Renamed Inuk into Shadowveil
- Resortet the name and colour list by length of name so nothing writes over South America.
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- Added NDR: I left out two islands south of India because they didn't even exist on my map. I appreciate the effort you put into that map of yours, but it was of too small resolution and distorted in its x/y coordinates, so I just repainted the stuff. I didn't want to put giant globs of teal over various ten-pixel islands and cities, so all the dutch territory isn't easily visible without opening the original-size image, but they're all in there. If i missed anything historical or storywise important, tell me and I'll add it. I also understood that the USA territories only included New York?
No, the USA included all of the territory (excluding the dots) shown on the map as, New Canada stated that they would unclaim all of the US. And I really had no idea where Canada begins and the US ends. Sorry for the confusion.
Also, I didn't put any effort in the map at all. The image was on the Dutch Wikipedia page of Dutch Empire. The english page has a slighlty smaller Dutch Empire somehow.
If you don't want to you don't have to change the US. But it would be appreciated :)
EDIT: Also, you can change 'Various previously dutch controled areas' to 'All previously Dutch controlled areas'
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Wikipedia is a funny thing =)
Naismith posted that I were to disregard his previous post and give you New York, so that's what I did.
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Could you make the teal spot a little bigger than? I can't even see them. I don't mind if you want to wait for Naismith for confirmation on his part though.
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You can right click -> show image (assuming you operate under windows) to see it in its true size. New York is six pixels large - that's larger than several complete islands under your control. I don't want to put someone to just glance at the image under the impression that it's more than just New York, though I see your reasoning. I'll enlarge it later today (as well as the three cities noted for Argentinia, East India and South Africa - they're all a couple pixels large at the moment).
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That is, unless Naismith objects. At least for New York I'll have to convert a couple reds into teals.
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Sorry. I didn't know Dutchling wanted anything other than New York. I'm ok with giving him any of my US territory that he wants, But if it's in Canada it's mine. I just reclaimed the US because I can't give away what I don't have.
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So to avoid further confusion: the American area on my Wikipedia map belongs to the NDR, except the dots and if part of it is actually in Canada, I obviously do not claim it either.
I really do appreciate your map though!
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Done.
I'll now start sending out spam mails with 'pixel enlargement' in their subject :3
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I really do appreciate your map though!
I agree. Having Shadowveil right on my northern border makes me much more nervous then if we didn't have a map and they were just out there somewhere.
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Eh sorry guys, father tim came back on the last day of the deadline :P so for ME shadowveil will be below them, ill create my empires post now with territory controlled but it will basicly be from luthuania, down to ukraine across to around akmola as shown on this map,
hxxp: www. rollintl. com/roll/euroasiamap. gif
poor pink already taken, but if i could have a dark color, i think blacks already taken, and russian red, hmmm if black is indeed taken, find something suitable i guess . . . silver would be nice but wouldnt look good i think :P
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You might want to remove the part from your Chicxulub post where you take over the Inuk embassy then :P I'll update the world map next weekend again.
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OH YA :D well . . . im sure THAT doesnt look suspicious at all :P I mean its not like they are using it or anything . . . :D
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The Inuk position is "We have an embassy in the crater? Huh. Did any of you guys know this? [lots of heads shake]"
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The Inuk are like a mascot to the community game. A cat to be precise.
Self sustaining, unreplaceable, cute, always present and watching, silent, pettable, slightly confused on world politics and what to make of it, and just fittingly bright pink so everyone still talks about them regularly. xD
Hope ya don't mind that Tim ^.^
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Re-Inuk'd Inuk and added Shadowveil proper.
Just noticed that California should be NZDL now, gonna add that stealthily in a second.
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Hmh. I sure didn't hit California's borders down to the pixel, but there's no way I could connect the 'two' NZDL territories.