Aurora 4x
VB6 Aurora => Advanced Tactical Command Academy => Topic started by: Bandus on December 07, 2012, 11:12:44 AM
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I am faced with a vexing problem in my current game and am pondering many options to resolve the problem. I figured to assist in this I would post the situation here and see what thoughts more experienced players may be able to offer. Some background first:
I settled and established several mining colonies in a binary star system. The secondary star, and its accompanying bodies, are extremely far away from the primary start where the jump points any my populations are located. Extremely far away specifically means 2064.28 billion KM. At best, my warships are equipped to go about 50 billion KM. The problem, beyond the distance, is that I am reasonably sure there is a NPR way out there that has itself been confined to the bodies around the secondary star due to the distance. I am not a fan of waiting around for them to eventually make it to my colonies and want to deal with them.
So, the question is, how to project military force at that distance? Even with refueling tankers I don't see how it would be viable. I've considered designing a more fuel efficient military engine but I'm still not sure at this point it will get me the distance I need and so I am interested in other suggestions. Thanks!
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That's what hyper engines are for.
Barring that, Lagrange JP are good.
Barring both of those, you're hosed.
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Erik, I thought hyper engines were no implemented in the game. Are they available in 6.21?
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Erik, I thought hyper engines were no implemented in the game. Are they available in 6.21?
They used to be. I am unaware if they've been removed. I barely use them as is.
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The base tech is available, but the research window doesn't let you add hyper capability.
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you could make a large high efficiency low thrust engine, stick them on a few cheap throw away ships with tons of box launchers or something and large fuel bunkers, and send em out. It'll take them years to get there, but it may work. Maybe a super buoy? really large missile with tons of fuel and some active sensors. Fire a couple at suspect planets to confirm your suspicions. I have no idea if that last one is viable-- probably not. Just bouncin' ideas.
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Steve disabled hyper drives when the new engine changes were implemented for v6. When I queried about costs, prior to v6 release, he indicated that it would be re-enabled at some future date but there is additional coding needed related to the main drive changes that has not been addressed yet.
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Buoys would probably be a good option, as strych mentioned. Fairly cheap, and you're probably doing research on all of the components you'd need for regular missiles anyway, so it's not wasted research.
As you develop your sensor tech, you could also build a large (50HS) version of an EM, Thermal, or Active sensor. At max tech, it's possible to build Res 1 active sensors with a 6.7 billion km range, so you should be able to build a Res 100 sensor that can see 2.1 Bkm with much less tech. The active sensor might even encourage the NPR to send all of it's ships off towards your active sensor, but probably wouldn't think ahead enough to specify enough deployment time or fuel tankers, so that might be an entertaining way to force the NPR to deplete all of it's resources. :)
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Yeah, sending sensor buoys to the suspect bodies would be my first move here. Once you've narrowed it down either weaponize them or set up some cruise carriers. Commercial engines, generous deployment and fuel, crew and hangar space for a more combat-worthy pinnace, and nothing else. Like a tank on a flatbed trailer
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oh? if buoys would work I would find them, then just scrap the sensors, add a few warheaded missiles and go to town.
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Shame missiles burn all their fuel in one go, 'twould be amusing to have a missile design that accelerated to some predetermined fraction of c, then coasted to an assigned point in space before burning the remainder of its fuel in course corrections and final acceleration to target. MIRV the coasting delivery bus for extra fun and games. Set up a pdc or twenty and just start a non stop bombardment from across the depths of space. :P
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For that, you'll need to wait for newtonian aurora
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Carriers with combat warships in them might be a good idea, another would be to send some colony ships, maintenance vessels, an orbital hab, and so on ahead to an asteroid, to be there when you fleet gets there so you can rearm/fuel/rest/overhaul before fighting.
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Buoys would probably be a good option, as strych mentioned. Fairly cheap, and you're probably doing research on all of the components you'd need for regular missiles anyway, so it's not wasted research.
As you develop your sensor tech, you could also build a large (50HS) version of an EM, Thermal, or Active sensor. At max tech, it's possible to build Res 1 active sensors with a 6.7 billion km range, so you should be able to build a Res 100 sensor that can see 2.1 Bkm with much less tech. The active sensor might even encourage the NPR to send all of it's ships off towards your active sensor, but probably wouldn't think ahead enough to specify enough deployment time or fuel tankers, so that might be an entertaining way to force the NPR to deplete all of it's resources. :)
nprs get infinite fuel so that isn't an issue.
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Have some commercial engine ships set up as tugs. The civvies will be pretty much nothing besides engines and fuel. They can haul your combat ships out there and then wait for the battle. Once you win they tow the ships back. I would probably go with fighters for the actual combat with carriers being towed as it would give you plenty of flexibility. If fighters don't appeal to you there is always the gunboat option. build the gunboats for short range flights (1-2 days) have them loaded with missiles and see what you can do. They are small enough that you may be able to get them into launch range without being seen.
Brian
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Shame missiles burn all their fuel in one go, 'twould be amusing to have a missile design that accelerated to some predetermined fraction of c, then coasted to an assigned point in space before burning the remainder of its fuel in course corrections and final acceleration to target. MIRV the coasting delivery bus for extra fun and games. Set up a pdc or twenty and just start a non stop bombardment from across the depths of space. :P
What you could do is design a two-stage missile. The first stage would be super-long-range wth a slow but very fuel efficient while the second stage would be a normal missile.
Steve
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Have some commercial engine ships set up as tugs. The civvies will be pretty much nothing besides engines and fuel. They can haul your combat ships out there and then wait for the battle. Once you win they tow the ships back. I would probably go with fighters for the actual combat with carriers being towed as it would give you plenty of flexibility. If fighters don't appeal to you there is always the gunboat option. build the gunboats for short range flights (1-2 days) have them loaded with missiles and see what you can do. They are small enough that you may be able to get them into launch range without being seen.
Now that is an I hadn't considered. Very interesting thought, indeed. Thank you!
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>Project military force
>Project Mass Packets. :D
But yeah, I'm toying of the idea of ultra-long range combat right now-- multistage missiles designed to be blind-fired, usually as a first-strike weapon. I'd pick up stuff with passive sensors and launch them towards a waypoint where I expect them to be. By the time they get there, I could have several other salvos in flight and enough time to reload from a collier before the enemy detects my ships, if they detect them at all. Or, as the first salvos start arriving I can move some cruisers for more high-speed missile salvos.
I think I'd end up wasting quite a few salvos though.