Aurora 4x
New Players => The Academy => Topic started by: Mirodian on March 06, 2014, 11:03:53 PM
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I'm on my first play through and I can't seem to figure out what my geology team is doing, for the past 10 years they have been stationed on about 2 or 3 asteroids/moons, and haven't completed a survey on a single one of them, I'm not sure what the general timetables for teams are but surely they should have finished at least 1 survey by now. If it helps, they have only been stationed on places marked as colonies.
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Did you complete a Geological survey with ship-based geo scanners first?
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Yes, everything in the system was scanned by a ship.
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What is their total skill level?
Asteroids or moons generally take weeks to a few months to do a ground survey on. If it has been 10 years, well I'm not sure what can be going wrong. Have you checked to see if every week they aren't sending you a "We don't think there is more here to be found" message?
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They aren't sending any such message, the summary for the asteroid still has a no on the geo team survey, and the teams collective skill rating is 133.
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maybe somebody in the team died? (but I don't think so)
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Just to close off all avenues here. If you go to the asteroid's pages, is the team shown as being present on the Team Tab?
A team with a skill of 133 should finish the ground survey in a time period between weeks and months dependent on the size of the asteroid.
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The team has all 5 members and is physically present at the asteroid they should be on. I tried disbanding and remaking the team, the new one has a skill of 149 and I made a second team of skill 99 and put them on a separate asteroid. So far it's been 3 months and neither have completed a survey.
On a seperate note, is there any way to manually retire ships in commercial lines?
Edit: it looks like I won't have time to figure out the problem in this game, I only just started exploring other systems and have no real military, and 5 alien ships just appeared 1 system from Earth, going far faster than any ship I have, and immediately opened fire.
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Keep the faith for now, you might luck out with those aliens :)
Since surveys use dice rolls it's possible for surveys to take pretty long...do you have any other problems in the game, like inability to use the F9 screen?
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I started a separate game to try and find the cause of the geology team problem, and I think I've found it. They seem to work perfectly fine on bodies that I have installations on, but colonies without anything added to them take forever, with the exception of 2 moons where deposits were discovered BUT a survey was never fully completed.
Also, I don't bother with hauling miners or modules around the solar system, I only use automated mines, if that helps in testing the above hypothesis.
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...They seem to work perfectly fine on bodies that I have installations on, but colonies without anything added to them take forever, with the exception of 2 moons where deposits were discovered BUT a survey was never fully completed.
I know I have had them work just fine with empty colonies as I decide final mining order after the surface eval is completed.
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(6.3) My problem is that they finish but never seem to find anything.
After a few weeks to months, they finish the survey, get their xp and find precicely zip.
I've tried on planets, asteroids, chunks and comets.
I would think that since the roll is the same as in generation, comets should at least be very likely to get results.
Since you only get benefits if the new rolls are higher in some way than old ones, I've even tried stripping a comet clean before rolling and still get nothing.
Might tough it out and survey Sol to completion and see what I get out of it... TO SCIENCE!
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They do find stuff, but it is rare. Most minerals are found by orbital scans, not by the teams on the ground.
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They do find stuff, but it is rare. Most minerals are found by orbital scans, not by the teams on the ground.
Luna, Orcus, Haumea, Schaumasse, Herchel-Rigollet, Encke, Crommelin, Neujmin and Reinmuth. Zero minerals found by geology teams. Still plucking away at other unsurveyed colonies. Add these to the list:
Wolf-Harrington
Swift-Tuttle
Tempel-Tuttle
Whipple
Ganymede
Herculina
1996 TL66
Wolf
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I only found 2 or 3 extra deposits, all of them fairly unimportant, in a total survey of Sol.
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Did steve tone down geology teams in the last update?
I seem to remember getting quite a lot of small resource deposits in the past, now they do seem to be a little rarer or maybe it's just bias since i haven't really played much lately.
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Yes. Geosurvey teams now provide a single second-chance mineral check similar to geosurvey ship finds in both quantity and probability.
Asteroids and small moons are quickly surveyed, but unlikely to ever find anything.
Comets by bug or intent are treated as asteroids of the same size, and rarely find anything good.
Planets and large moons are the most likely to have something, but it can take ground teams a year or more to finish.
I usually expect two or three mineral finds if I survey Mercury, Venus, Mars, Luna, and the Galleon moons.
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As a newbie, I've been pretty committed to sending Geo teams around and it's been a very small percentage chance. The larger bodies can take forever (I've spent many months on Mars), but also seem to be either Team Skill based or luck based. I've had some pretty quick team scans on Mars or Venus, though that might have been three clicks that went the full 30 days. I'm reaching the conclusion that unless it's a body I plan to mine regardless of team finds, or maybe one that is borderline, it's probably not worth my own intervention time except to buff up one team with skill up chances.
As for Aliens, I hear you. My first try on the laptop (still only played 60 years in my first ever game) I had aliens some blow up my survey vessels one system over from Sol. I'd taken forever to do the early stuff even with a TN start, and my local mineral finds were poor. So I walked away, but kept the game to come back to when I'm a bit less incompetent. The only warships I've ever built I called BS as they were strictly to mollify the peasants.
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I'm on my first play through and I can't seem to figure out what my geology team is doing, for the past 10 years they have been stationed on about 2 or 3 asteroids/moons, and haven't completed a survey on a single one of them, I'm not sure what the general timetables for teams are but surely they should have finished at least 1 survey by now. If it helps, they have only been stationed on places marked as colonies.
Hi, new to Aurora (and loving it) ;D and I have had the same problem.
My Geology team just sits there doing nothing, a geosurvey ship has done its scan, team shows up on the body in the team tab, everything appears correct but one year after being on an asteroid, still the survey is not complete and no messages in the event log. . .
Not sure if it may be because I am using an older version of Aurora because I forgot to update before I jumped right in :)
Edit: Hmmmm, geology team has now worked on Earth successfully but not on Asteroids? Don't think I'll have to worry about Neutronium this game though, I now have a 200 year supply on Earth at current mining rates ;D
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I think that people who have geosurvey teams on asteroids that don't do them inside of a few months should report this as a bug. As the chance is calcuated then checked you might just be suffering from bad luck but the chance of surveying an asteroid I'd think is at least around 10% for a reasonably skilled team.
I've surveyed lots of asteriods on the ground and they have all taken between weeks and months to survey. Only Calheme which is a diameter 26000 km planet has so far taken over two years to survey.
There is no reason an asteroid should take more than 3 months as their diameters are usually 100-400 km.
Just keep in mind you have something like a 10% chance to finish the survey, and that is per week. So it can take a long time if you just keep rolling poorly.
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Follow up Question. . . .
I assembled a geology team on Earth with a rating of 167
I put them on a ship and sent them to Luna
They've been there 1 year 8 months
I got a report that several of the team members leveled up and that the team skill was now 175
They've still not completed the Luna Geological survey or found anything or reported that there was nothing left to find.
Am I just being impatient or shouldn't they be done by now? I'm mostly worried that I missed a command or something. I didn't see any way to tell them specifically to begin the geology study
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You'll know once they've finished; they'll complain in the message log every week until you disband the team or move them somewhere they haven't surveyed.
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Another follow-up question. . .
OK, so my Geological Survey team finally finished and I picked them up and transported them to another location.
Problem is it's been over a year and I haven't heard from them.
I quickly went through all the colonies on my list and they don't appear as being stationed on any of them.
I went through every ship in my fleet and couldn't see them listed there either.
Short of disbanding the team, what's the best way of finding them?
If I do disbnad them and the reform a team, is there any downside to that?
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Try finding one of the members of the team in the officers window, it should hopefully list their current position there.
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I found the team leader and the location field is empty.
I've checked all my fleets again for the team and have decided that this is a bug of sort.
I'm gonna try disbanding the team and recreating it on Earth again.
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
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there's no downside to disbanding a team, afaik.
R u sure the team is not still on the ship you picked it up with?
Also, could you have deleted a colony that the team was at?
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there's no downside to disbanding a team, afaik.
R u sure the team is not still on the ship you picked it up with?
Also, could you have deleted a colony that the team was at?
Never did find that missing team but gave up when I started a new game.
In my next game I got the whole forming and disbanding geo teams down to a science. Surveyed about 400 bodies. Found something extra a grand total of 8 times. As far as I'm concerned, in its present form it's just not worth it.
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it's not worth it to resurvey smegty asteroids. it works best on substantial bodies.
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I agree but I think that there is a potential here for a new mechanic.
Have geo-survey teams that can announce when they're done but request pick-up and have a ship or two with orders to pick up idle teams and ferry them to the next body without a ground based survey.
I see it working quite a bit like the orbital surveys then but it would require a few ships and a few teams and perhaps a new order or two.
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I agree but I think that there is a potential here for a new mechanic.
Have geo-survey teams that can announce when they're done but request pick-up and have a ship or two with orders to pick up idle teams and ferry them to the next body without a ground based survey.
I see it working quite a bit like the orbital surveys then but it would require a few ships and a few teams and perhaps a new order or two.
You should put this under the suggestion tab - as far as I understand, that is where Steve looks for new ideas.
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You should put this under the suggestion tab - as far as I understand, that is where Steve looks for new ideas.
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