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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by Whitecold on Today at 10:46:53 AM »
Something else to consider: moving units from one branch of the org chart to another, e.g. transferring a brigade from one division HQ to another should probably yield a temporary "morale" hit due to lack of having trained together.  I recall this used to happen for training in ships and was eventually ripped out due to being too severe (training is a long-term thing to regain), but if it's a hit to morale (which can presumably be recovered on a much quicker timescale) it might not be so bad.

John
Transferring formations should give some morale hit, but transferring individual troops between formations should give significant morale losses to give incentive to keep formations and not adjust them during battle
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by Person012345 on Today at 10:17:02 AM »
I note that Light Bombardment units are not able to provide support from any position other than the Frontline.

Inconvenient that.

However, does that mean that due to the way support works they can hit enemy Rear Echelon support units when performing counter battery duty?

Not that it'd be very effective I'd expect, but still.
I'd imagine Light bombardment is supposed to represent things like mortars, which wouldn't be firing on enemy back line artillery positions. It would be weird for them to be able to do so unless they were accompanying a force that was engaging said units at closer range. Unless they're supposed to be heavier than that.
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by sloanjh on Today at 06:27:35 AM »
Will units in rear echelon also regain suppressed morale (due to losses) at a higher rate?
I hadn't considered that, but it does make sense.

Something else to consider: moving units from one branch of the org chart to another, e.g. transferring a brigade from one division HQ to another should probably yield a temporary "morale" hit due to lack of having trained together.  I recall this used to happen for training in ships and was eventually ripped out due to being too severe (training is a long-term thing to regain), but if it's a hit to morale (which can presumably be recovered on a much quicker timescale) it might not be so bad.

John
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by Whitecold on Today at 06:25:03 AM »
I feel the big factor missing in the entire targeting scheme so far of front line attack/defense, support and rear echelon is mobility. Static guns and infantry on foot is very unlikely to provide a breakthrough and attack rear positions, while armored or air mobile units can possibly strike deeper.
Similarly, how does fortification interact with the positions? It does not seem like you should be able to fortify much in a frontline attack stance, as it suggests being on the move, outside of well prepared positions.

Only allowing superior formations to support is also kind of restrictive, what if you want to have two artillery battallions per 3 frontline formations, and support two of them? It also makes it impossible to have independent  artillery formations that are not headquarters.
I would very much like to be able to shift whole artillery formations around between formations
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by Titanian on Today at 05:40:06 AM »
If frontline units could also do support at the same time, that would mean they get to fight twice as often: once as support, and once by attacking/defending themselves... so I guess frontline units can't support. That means light bombardement weapons they are completely outclassed by the light autocannon:

Type: Size/Penetration/Damage/Shots
Light Bombardement: 20/10/10/3
Light Autocannon: 18/20/20/3

So the autocannon is smaller and thus cheaper, but has douple the penetration and damage
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by Hazard on Today at 04:25:08 AM »
I note that Light Bombardment units are not able to provide support from any position other than the Frontline.

Inconvenient that.

However, does that mean that due to the way support works they can hit enemy Rear Echelon support units when performing counter battery duty?

Not that it'd be very effective I'd expect, but still.
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The Corporate Federation / Republic: Meeting of the minds
« Last post by Kurt on Yesterday at 11:53:20 PM »
December 31, 2137, Earth Orbital Yards
Consul Foster loved coming here.  The room he sat in had been designed and built for the oligarchs that ran the Federation, and they had loved to look out over the things they had built.  The things they owned.  In this case, the amply appointed room he now sat in was in a tower that reached up from the primary complex connecting the modular shipyards orbiting the Earth, and had broad transparent windows all around its circumference, allowing anyone in the room to look out over the bustling yards.  The Federation and its oligarchs were no longer around, but the massive yards were, and to Foster they represented Humanity’s strength.  After all of the death and the horrible wasting diseases caused or aggravated by the radiation permeating Earth’s environment, coming up here to this clean station with its bustling economy and clear statement about Humanity’s greatness did a lot for Foster’s morale.  Indeed, there were net-casts that merely showed a panorama of the yards and the bustling activity around the massive station, and these net-casts were always amongst the top in viewership. 

Foster’s attention was drawn to the door as it opened to admit Admiral Law, one of his oldest friends.  The Consular guards stationed outside the room had scanned the Admiral before he was admitted, and now moved aside so he could enter the darkened room.  Consul Foster waived the admiral over to the window, and the two men stood in silence for some time, watching the work proceeding on the Republic’s latest military and civilian craft. 

After a minute, Admiral Law nodded to himself, and pointed at the station’s largest naval yard to draw the Consul’s attention.  Just visible in one of the yard’s three bays was a large skeletal framework being put together by yard workers and robots.  “That’s the first of the new jump point assault ships we are hoping will lead humanity’s return to the stars.”

Consul Foster stared at the skeletal frame for a few seconds then frowned.  “The Essex won’t be launched until 2139, right?”

Admiral Law grimaced.  “In spite of all of the systems pre-manufactured by ground-based industry, including the jump drive, that’s correct.  It’s a big, complicated ship, and it’s the first of its class.  It’s going to take time.  It’ll be late 2139 before it leaves the yards.”

Foster turned towards his friend.  “Alex, we can’t wait that long.”  The Consul shook his head and turned back towards the window.  “We can’t wait that long at all.  The people won’t allow it.”

 Several competing emotions flitted across Admiral Law’s face before he took a deep breath and turned away, moving to one of the comfortable chairs set up in clusters in the center of the room.   Consul Foster followed him after a few seconds.  After considering the situation for a few more seconds, Admiral Law decided to be blunt.  “We aren’t ready to face the Dregluk in deep space, Joe.  We just aren’t.  And we won’t be for some time.”

Now it was Foster’s turn to frown.  “How long are you projecting?”

Admiral Law’s answer came without hesitation.  “2139.  Late 2139.  Look, we think the new Lake class Frigates can engage the Dregluk on about even terms in deep space, but attacking on even terms means that the Dregluk are going to get a chance to fire their missiles at our ships even as we fire at them.  While our missile defenses are much better now, it will take the missiles from at least four Lake class frigates to kill a Mammoth class BB, and we only have two in service now.”

“When will we have more Lake class ships?”

“The Singapore’s refit will be complete by the end of June, 2138.  After that it will be new construction, which will not be available until early 2139.”

Consul Foster got up and began pacing in front of the windows.  “And the missile boats, what about them?”

Admiral Law shook his head.  “We have other problems with the missile boats.  We have two of them ready now, refitted to the latest design.  They mount box launchers capable of launching the latest version of our long range ASM, the Bludgeon III, which is capable of engaging ships out to nearly four hundred million kilometers, far beyond the range of any known Dregluk missile.  The new missile boats are equipped with fire controls capable of fully exploiting the Bludgeon III’s range, but, there is a problem with the design.   The missile boats are small, intentionally.  Too small to mount a sensor capable of identifying targets for its fire control.  At 2,200 tons there just isn’t room to mount a sensor and useful numbers of launchers.  That hasn’t mattered up to now, because the missile boats have always been used in either jump point defense roles, which means close-range engagements, or in planetary defense roles, taking advantage of the huge sensors we’ve built on the ground.  We’ve planned on building a “sensor-leader” class for some time, but, as always, yard space is limited and there have been many competing priorities.  All of this means that while the Bludgeon III’s are capable of engaging out to four hundred million klicks, the best they are going to be able to do in reality is engage along side the Lake class frigates, which have active sensors capable of identifying targets out to two hundred and fifty million klicks.”

If anything, Foster’s frown got worse.  “Which puts us back on that even footing you were talking about.”

Admiral Law nodded.  “Yes, very much so.  Now, the bright side is that, as I said, the missile boats are small, so we can build or refit them fairly fast.  Three more will be ready in the next several months and more will be ready throughout the year.  On the other hand, the missile boats were really intended for system defense.  They don’t have much in the way of endurance, and they don’t carry much fuel.  We’ll have to be very careful how we operate with them if we take them out of the Solar System.” 

The two were silent for a time, then Admiral Law looked at his friend.  “Are things really that bad?”

Consul Foster looked bleak.  “Yes, they really are.  On the one hand the people are elated with our progress.  The fact that no Dregluk ship made it past the jump point this year is incredible, and the constant stream of colonists to Mars aboard the Bureau of Relocation’s colony ships has given them hope for the future.  Having said that, the continuing death toll from radiation is poisoning more than the environment.  Are you aware of the Dregluk baiting programs on the net?”

Now it was Law’s turn to look bleak.  “Yes, I am.  I’ve forbidden their viewing by on-duty personnel, but there’s nothing I can do about off-duty, and its become rampant.  As I understand it, there are viewing parties where people compete to come up with new taunts and new routines to send to the salvage crews.”

“Its worse than that.  Last month one of the salvage crews took it further.  They rescued some of the Dregluk and then spaced them, one after another.  All the while taunting them about what we were going to do to their families and loved ones once we got to their system.”

Admiral Law looked appalled.  “That’s…horrible!”

Consul Foster nodded.  “I told the owners of the salvage ship that if it happened again I’d prosecute them all for murder, and told them I wanted that crew off the ship from now on.”  Foster shook his head.  “They complied, but the crew was welcomed home as heroes and is even now doing the circuit, being feted everywhere they go.  This is getting out of hand, and it is only the most visible of the ways that the people are reacting.  There are worse things brewing, if we don’t get a handle on this now.”  Foster turned to look out at the stars again.  “We have to show the people that we are going back to the stars, and we have to do it soon or bad things are going to happen, Alex.”

Admiral Law stood and joined the Consul at the window again.  “There is a way.  We’ve been studying this for some time.  As I said, we risk catastrophic losses if we move into the Washington system prematurely.  But the Washington system isn’t our only threat, is it?  We have the New York system right next door, with the Obscura just waiting for us.  Admittedly our data is incomplete, but what data we have seems to indicate that the Obscura aren’t as technologically advanced as the Dregluk.  With the Waterloo online now, we have three monitors and twenty Falcon class Interceptors to defend the Solar System.  I suggest we return to the New York system, eliminate the Obscura threat there, and find out what happened to our survey ships there.  The monitors and the interceptors will stay here to defend the system.  Our new ships, coupled with our older ships, should be more than capable of engaging the Obscura, and if they aren’t we’ll be able to retreat through the jump point.  The Obscura never came through before, so it should be relatively safe.”

Consul Foster was silent, and Admiral Law could tell that his friend’s mind was working overtime.  Finally, he nodded and grinned.  “Its perfect!   We need to protect our flanks before we send the fleet away from the Solar System to engage the Dregluk anyway.  Once the Fleet clears the New York system we will build jump gates to that system and set up a listening post there.  One by one we’ll clear the other jump points in the Solar system and set up listening posts on the far side of all of them, to give us early warning of any approaching force.  The people will see progress, and we can sell it to them as the continuing fortification of the Solar System.  By the time that is complete, we should be ready to begin moving into the Washington system.”

Admiral Law nodded.  “There’s something else.”  Consul Foster turned and gave his friend his complete attention.  “We have twenty meson equipped Interceptors operational now, and another sixteen due to be launched this year.”  Admiral Law paused and gathered his thoughts.  “I know the Interceptors are the darlings of the Senate, but I want to shift production away from them and towards another project.”

Consul Foster nodded.  “Your pods?”

“Yes, the pods.  Like the interceptors and the missile boats they are small, so we can build them relatively quickly.  We’ll only need to enlarge the Interceptor shipyards slightly so we can convert them to pod production.”

Foster shook his head.  “The Senate is not going to like diverting production away from the Interceptors.”

“Look, we have the first proto-type sensor pod almost ready.  I suggest we use it during the mission to the New York system to demonstrate its utility.  That pod is going to vastly enhance the capabilities of our fleet!  Once it is deployed it will allow our new missile boats to use their Bludgeon missiles to their fullest capacity.  And it’s very flexible.  By including the tractor beam on the pod it can link to any ship, rather than requiring a tractor-equipped ship to tow it.  The missile version of the pod will be equipped with box launchers for the Bludgeon missile, and the anti-missile version will be capable of enhancing the defensive qualities of any fleet.  With these pods we can emplace instant defenses around a jump point or a critical base.  They will revolutionize our power projection capabilities.  Surely with the people so hungry for revenge the Senate will see what these pods can do for us?”

Foster looked intrigued.  “You have a very good point there.”  He sighed and shook his head.  “You are right, the Senate will likely jump at anything that will enhance our offensive capabilities, but that isn’t the real problem.  The budget is about to become critical.”

Admiral Law looked surprised.  “The budget is that big of a problem?”

Foster grimaced.  “Yes.  We’ve been operating a deficit ever since the Federation fell.  We were able to do that because those maniacs that ran the Federation were so greedy that they had amassed a huge operational reserve.  We’ve been living off of that ever since, and we’ve expanded almost every type of production that we can, in the hopes of staving off destruction at the hands of the Dregluk and the Obscura.  That deficit has only grown worse.”

“How long do we have?”

“Foster shook his head.  “We have several months before it becomes critical.  I finally convinced the Senate to devote resources towards improving our financial system early this year, and that should begin taking effect around the same time that our reserves run out.  It is possible, though, that we may have to begin shutting down shipyards and ground-force training facilities to conserve our financial resources.”

Admiral Law shook his head.  “If we do that we will be delaying our offensive, perhaps indefinitely.”

Foster nodded.  “I know.  There is little we can do about it that isn’t already being done, though.  We’ll just have to make the best of it.  In the meantime, I want you and your staff to put together a plan for an offensive into the New York system.  I want that system cleared, and I want the people to see us clearing it.  That should relieve some of the pressure.”   
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Announcements / Re: Thread for board issues
« Last post by MasonMac on Yesterday at 08:33:22 PM »
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on Yesterday at 06:13:21 PM »
I haven't decided yet on the ability of formations to swap units while in battle or how they move between field positions. At the moment I am leaning toward moving one field position per combat round with the positions being 1) Front Line Attack, 2) Front Line Defence, 3) Support, 4) Rear Echelon. Also, only formations in rear echelon (or maybe support - need to decide) can exchange units. So if you want to reorganize during combat, you will need to pull formations out of the line to do so.

Will units in rear echelon also regain suppressed morale (due to losses) at a higher rate?

John

I hadn't considered that, but it does make sense.
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C# Aurora / Re: C# Aurora Changes Discussion
« Last post by sloanjh on Yesterday at 06:06:30 PM »
I haven't decided yet on the ability of formations to swap units while in battle or how they move between field positions. At the moment I am leaning toward moving one field position per combat round with the positions being 1) Front Line Attack, 2) Front Line Defence, 3) Support, 4) Rear Echelon. Also, only formations in rear echelon (or maybe support - need to decide) can exchange units. So if you want to reorganize during combat, you will need to pull formations out of the line to do so.

Will units in rear echelon also regain suppressed morale (due to losses) at a higher rate?

John
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