Change Log for 6.00 discussion

[Garfunkel]

I was about to protest Finland belonging to USSR but then I remembered that Soviets were planning the "proper" conclusion to Winter War but were prevented from it by the Germans. In this alternate timeline, it's entirely plausible that the Red Army kept marching.

And if we can't have 5.70 itself come out tomorrow, reading about the effects of the changes in your test campaign is the second best thing, so yes please for a fiction thread!

[boggo2300]

Ha!

That was one of things I liked about the last campaign, China were making a come back.

C'mon we both know that was never going to last,  Being Chinese in one of Steves campaigns is riskier than being an Ice block on route to the Sun

Matt

[ExChairman]

A small "historical"  detail, Niels was from.Denmark.    Then we have to wait for more...

[UnLimiTeD]

Well, as major population part of one of the existing powers it may actually have some influence.^^

[Aldaris]

Five years from WW2 era tech to TN? Isn't that a bit fast? Interesting scenario, though.

[Bremen]

Five years from WW2 era tech to TN? Isn't that a bit fast? Interesting scenario, though.

Given how fast and cheap the early researches are, I've always kind of assumed it's more engineering than real scientific research. And considering how the research cost doubles each tier (going from very cheap to very expensive quite quickly) one can easily assume that the first techs are basically just kludged together "try strapping TNEs to it and see what happens" designs, which explains why for just a few more RP you can make something twice as good. I don't think early TNE stuff would really be much of a problem with pre-information era tech.

Though... an interesting point; each side has 30 research labs, which would be 6,000 RP a year, but apparently have 50,000 RP of TNE techs in five years. So maybe a little fast, but not unbelievable assuming good scientists. And that era of history was somewhat notable for impressive scientists and engineers.

[fflaguna]

SteveW, is it possible to buff NPR ship armor of ALL AI ships, including regular alien NPRs, as well as swarm, precursors and extra-galactics? They need to have at least DOUBLE their current armor level to be competitive with humans. It's not particularly amazing when my lasers slice through the enemy like butter because they only have 6-12 armor at best, whereas my 36kton cruisers have 30 layers of armor and my 12kton destroyers have 15 layers of armor standard, plus shields on top of that in my newest revisions.

Other than that, I enjoy the AI's tactics and don't see an urgent need for a change there. My biggest gripe with the AI is that their ships have paper-thin armor. Looking at all the armor values in the database in my 100-year game, they could ALL use a flat doubling.

Thanks SteveW, looking forward to 5.7!

[Steve Walmsley]

SteveW, is it possible to buff NPR ship armor of ALL AI ships, including regular alien NPRs, as well as swarm, precursors and extra-galactics? They need to have at least DOUBLE their current armor level to be competitive with humans. It's not particularly amazing when my lasers slice through the enemy like butter because they only have 6-12 armor at best, whereas my 36kton cruisers have 30 layers of armor and my 12kton destroyers have 15 layers of armor standard, plus shields on top of that in my newest revisions.

Other than that, I enjoy the AI's tactics and don't see an urgent need for a change there. My biggest gripe with the AI is that their ships have paper-thin armor. Looking at all the armor values in the database in my 100-year game, they could ALL use a flat doubling.

Thanks SteveW, looking forward to 5.7!

I've completely redone the NPR ship design code for v5.70. There isn't a huge change in the actual designs but its now a lot easier for me to add new ones. However, as part of that I have upped NPR armour, although not double.

Steve

[schroeam]

China loses before the game even starts? A new low!   

I Seriously Laughed for five minutes!!!

[UnLimiTeD]

I never understood why people would pile on that much armor.
Though then again my favourite weapons are mesons and MWL.
Yay for better NPR ship designs.
Now we just need a better research behavior so they stop researching all over the place.

[Mel Vixen]

Steve: A Funfact - German scientistst proposed during the war the usage of railguns as anti aircraft weapons, it was deemed impossible due to the energy amounts and densities (which where a bit overestimated) but on the base of that one could advocate that the germans could have advantage in capacitators and railguns.

If you need someone for some proper german weapon/ship names i would gladly help out. I love your campaigns they make a good read.

[fflaguna]

I'm pretty excited for this new version. It's been almost six months since I played Aurora, and I'll definitely be picking it up again for a long time span after 5.70 drops. Until this, I'm patiently waiting and checking the site once a day. 

[UnLimiTeD]

Heh, I essentially stopped after NA was announced.
That just seemed so much more nerdy. I just couldn't get myself to ignore it.
But I'll definitely play 5.7. I got an idea for a massive campaign, that'll turn out too stressful after a few years again. I know myself too well.

[fflaguna]

I've completely redone the NPR ship design code for v5.70. There isn't a huge change in the actual designs but its now a lot easier for me to add new ones. However, as part of that I have upped NPR armour, although not double.

Steve

Just a quick addition, do NPRs ever build missiles with x-ray pumped lasers, in order to bypass final defensive fire? If not, they should have a decent chance to be able to build these. I typically build some monstrous AM gauss turrets, and it'd be quite a surprise if I ever encountered these in battle (I never have up until this point), completely negating my systems which can have >99% chance to block 150 missiles at 50kkm/sec velocity for just one of my stacked fleets.

[Person012345]

Just a quick addition, do NPRs ever build missiles with x-ray pumped lasers, in order to bypass final defensive fire? If not, they should have a decent chance to be able to build these. I typically build some monstrous AM gauss turrets, and it'd be quite a surprise if I ever encountered these in battle (I never have up until this point), completely negating my systems which can have >99% chance to block 150 missiles at 50kkm/sec velocity for one of my stacked fleets.

Laser warheads don't work properly at the moment IIRC.