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After the Fall - Marine Nationale (6)
« on: July 15, 2013, 01:49:11 PM »
Marine Nationale

The Marine Nationale is generally considered to be the most powerful Navy in the solar system, although the Japanese believe their carriers would prove decisive if it came to a fight. French naval design philosophy is based on specialised ships. Each class is dedicated to performing one task very well, rather than performing two or more in a sub-optimal way. The French also have a different approach to missile design. The primary French anti-ship missile, the MM50 Exocet, is 25% smaller than its German and Japanese equivalents and 40% smaller than the Commonwealth RGM-1A Sabre. What it lacks in size, it makes up for in numbers. The Austerlitz class Missile Cruiser is armed with sixteen launchers, six more than the German Scharnhorst class and twice as many as the Commonwealth Renown class, and with three missile cruisers in service, the Marine Nationale can launch salvos of forty-eight missiles every thirty seconds. As with all modern French warships, Austerlitz and her sister ships Wagram and Impérial are named after Ships of the Line from the time of Emperor Napoleon I.

Austerlitz class Missile Cruiser   12,000 tons     318 Crew     1759 BP      TCS 240  TH 960  EM 0
4000 km/s     Armour 5-46     Shields 0-0     Sensors 10/18/0/0     Damage Control Rating 5     PPV 48
Maint Life 2.12 Years     MSP 458    AFR 230%    IFR 3.2%    1YR 136    5YR 2044    Max Repair 144 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 0    
Magazine 648    

SEMT Pielstick V240 Ion Engine (4)    Power 240    Fuel Use 56%    Signature 240    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 600,000 Litres    Range 16.1 billion km   (46 days at full power)

Exocet Missile Launcher (16)    Missile Size 3    Rate of Fire 30
ARBR-G95 Missile Fire Control (2)     Range 94.6m km    Resolution 120
MM50 Exocet Anti-Ship Missile (216)  Speed: 25,600 km/s   Range: 98.4m km   WH: 4    Size: 3    TH: 85/51/25

EMPAR-G95 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 17280     Range 94.6m km    Resolution 120
TH-10 Thermal Sensor (1)     Sensitivity 10     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  10m km
EM-18 Passive Sensor (1)     Sensitivity 18     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  18m km

The Bucentuare class cruiser is armed with ten 15cm lasers plus a prototype 19cm spinal laser, the first spinal laser to be deployed by any Earth-based power. Because of its entirely energy-based armament the Bucentuare has been designed with a top speed of 4800 m/s, making it the fastest warship in service, although still slower than the Japanese fighter craft. Due to the high maximum speed of the class, it's DRBF-G200 Beam Fire Controls are larger than the similar systems of other nations, allowing both maximum tracking range and a tracking speed of 5000 km/s. Two ships are in service; Bucentuare and Conquérant.

Bucentuare class Cruiser   10,000 tons     285 Crew     1520 BP      TCS 200  TH 960  EM 0
4800 km/s     Armour 6-41     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 4     PPV 46
Maint Life 1.89 Years     MSP 380    AFR 200%    IFR 2.8%    1YR 137    5YR 2049    Max Repair 120 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 1    

SEMT Pielstick V240 Ion Engine (4)    Power 240    Fuel Use 56%    Signature 240    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 500,000 Litres    Range 16.1 billion km   (38 days at full power)

15cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser (10)    Range 180,000km     TS: 4800 km/s     Power 6-3     RM 3    ROF 10
19cm Spinal Laser (1)    Range 192,000km     TS: 4800 km/s     Power 9-3     RM 3    ROF 15  
DRBF-G200 Beam Fire Control (2)    Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 5000 km/s  
Gas-Cooled Fast Reactor (8)     Total Power Output 36    Armour 0    Exp 5%

EMPAR-G30 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 5760     Range 31.5m km    Resolution 120

The Sceptre class is a pure anti-missile design, equipped with fifteen launchers firing the Aster 100 AMM. While Sceptre and her sister ship Magnifique are often compared to the Japanese Agano class light cruiser, as both classes have the same tonnage, number of launchers and sensor capabilities, the French design has the advantage of 24% greater magazine space.

Sceptre class Destroyer Escort   7,500 tons     177 Crew     1215 BP      TCS 150  TH 600  EM 0
4000 km/s     Armour 4-34     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 15
Maint Life 2.38 Years     MSP 304    AFR 150%    IFR 2.1%    1YR 73    5YR 1102    Max Repair 144 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 2    
Magazine 515    

SEMT Pielstick V120 Ion Engine (5)    Power 120    Fuel Use 63%    Signature 120    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 400,000 Litres    Range 15.2 billion km   (44 days at full power)

SYLVER A100 Missile Launcher (15)    Missile Size 1    Rate of Fire 10
ARBR-G10 Missile Fire Control (3)     Range 8.6m km    Resolution 1
Aster 100 Anti-Missile Missile (515)  Speed: 32,200 km/s   Range: 4.1m km   WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 128/77/38

EMPAR-G10 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 144     Range 8.6m km    MCR 941k km    Resolution 1
EMPAR-G30 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 5760     Range 31.5m km    Resolution 120

The Achille class is equipped with four twin laser turrets and provides point-bank missile defence for the Marine Nationale. Continuing French-Japanese rivalry for the position of the pre-eminent fleet in the solar system inevitably results in comparisons being made between the Achille and the Sendai class light cruiser, which has a different armament but very much the same role. The Sendai produces superior anti-missile firepower from its gauss cannon turrets but would be outgunned in a straight fight between the two designs. Three units are in service; Achille, Courageux and Suffren.

Achille class Destroyer Escort    6,000 tons     164 Crew     939 BP      TCS 120  TH 480  EM 0
4000 km/s     Armour 4-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 3     PPV 33.12
Maint Life 2.58 Years     MSP 293    AFR 96%    IFR 1.3%    1YR 62    5YR 924    Max Repair 120 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Spare Berths 1    

SEMT Pielstick V240 Ion Engine (2)    Power 240    Fuel Use 56%    Signature 240    Exp 10%
Fuel Capacity 260,000 Litres    Range 13.9 billion km   (40 days at full power)

Twin 10cm Laser Turret (4x2)    Range 48,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 6-6     RM 3    ROF 5
DRBF-G50 Beam Fire Control (2)    Max Range: 48,000 km   TS: 16000 km/s  
Gas-Cooled Fast Reactor (6)     Total Power Output 27    Armour 0    Exp 5%

EMPAR-G25 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 4320     Range 23.7m km    Resolution 120
EMPAR-G2 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 32     Range 1.9m km    MCR 209k km    Resolution 1

The Neptune class is by far the most capable survey cruiser in service. Its array of geological survey sensors is twice the size of any rival class and its expansive accommodations and large engineering deck enable it to operate away from home for up to six years. In keeping with the French doctrine of specialization, Neptune and her sister ship Orion are unarmed.

Neptune class Survey Cruiser   6,000 tons     145 Crew     1149 BP      TCS 120  TH 360  EM 0
3000 km/s     Armour 1-29     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/18/0/6     Damage Control Rating 8     PPV 0
Maint Life 7.9 Years     MSP 958    AFR 36%    IFR 0.5%    1YR 27    5YR 408    Max Repair 135 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 72 months    Spare Berths 0    

SEMT Pielstick V360E Ion Engine  (1)    Power 360    Fuel Use 20.46%    Signature 360    Exp 7%
Fuel Capacity 1,000,000 Litres    Range 146.6 billion km   (565 days at full power)

EMPAR-G25 Active Sensor (1)     GPS 4320     Range 23.7m km    Resolution 120
EM-18 Passive Sensor (1)     Sensitivity 18     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  18m km
Geological Survey Sensors (6)   6 Survey Points Per Hour

The two Polyphème class ships are the largest freighters in service with any Earth-based power and have twice the carrying capacity of their contemporaries.

Polyphème class Freighter   72,000 tons     260 Crew     1039 BP      TCS 1440  TH 2400  EM 0
1666 km/s     Armour 1-154     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 9    Max Repair 75 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 0    
Cargo 50000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 20    

Commercial Ion Drive (8)    Power 300    Fuel Use 6.19%    Signature 300    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 350,000 Litres    Range 14.1 billion km   (98 days at full power)

The Régulus is a standard colony ship, comparable to those of other nations. Only one is in service.

Régulus class Colony Ship   31,600 tons     260 Crew     1304 BP      TCS 632  TH 1800  EM 0
2848 km/s     Armour 1-89     Shields 0-0     Sensors 1/1/0/0     Damage Control Rating 1     PPV 0
MSP 26    Max Repair 75 MSP
Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Spare Berths 0    
Cryogenic Berths 60000    Cargo Handling Multiplier 20    

Commercial Ion Drive (6)    Power 300    Fuel Use 6.19%    Signature 300    Exp 5%
Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 23.0 billion km   (93 days at full power)

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2013, 02:18:40 PM »
The ships of the Empire are looking good. The magazines on the Asterlitz can hold a sufficient amount of missiles. The Akagi class of the IJN can hold only 100 missiles. That's enough for one full and one smaller salvo of 46 missiles per carrier only.

Well, can't wait to see the spinal laser in action. :)
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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2013, 02:32:50 PM »


Yes ! I like it ! This ships look good. I can't wait for the next update of this story  ;D

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2013, 02:50:56 PM »
The ships of the Empire are looking good. The magazines on the Asterlitz can hold a sufficient amount of missiles. The Akagi class of the IJN can hold only 100 missiles. That's enough for one full and one smaller salvo of 46 missiles per carrier only.

Don't forget the fighters themselves can hold a salvo too, so they will get two full salvos and a third slightly smaller salvo.

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2013, 01:35:45 AM »
This may be an odd question.  I recently noticed text like "MCR 941k km" in AMM Active Sensor designs.  What does the acronym MCR stand for?
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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2013, 01:57:19 AM »
I believe that is detection range for missiles of size 6 or smaller.
 

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2013, 06:23:01 AM »
Don't forget the fighters themselves can hold a salvo too, so they will get two full salvos and a third slightly smaller salvo.

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Oh, forgot about that. But still, that is 308 Type 100 japanese missiles vs. 648 french MM50 Exocets.
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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2013, 07:12:08 AM »
Hmm, the largest fleet (tied with Japan) and the most progressive Doctrine?
Superspecialization and Carriers seem to have crystallized as the most efficient doctrines against AI, so unless you expect some major wars between earthbased powers in the next decade, I guess that puts those two leaps and bounds before the others.
Of course, a later discovery of Jumpdrives could turn that pretty quickly.
 

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2013, 10:34:05 AM »
Quote from: Steve Walmsley link=topic=6307. msg64172#msg64172 date=1373914151
Marine Nationale

The Marine Nationale is generally considered to be the most powerful Navy in the solar system, although the Japanese believe their carriers would prove decisive if it came to a fight.

I think the Japanese will be proven correct here as noone has sensors that can detect fighters before they fire.

That's probably intentional but it seems a rather major oversight, IC-wise, given everyone knows the IJN uses fighters.

Quote from: Icecoon link=topic=6307. msg64174#msg64174 date=1373915920
The ships of the Empire are looking good.  The magazines on the Asterlitz can hold a sufficient amount of missiles.  The Akagi class of the IJN can hold only 100 missiles.  That's enough for one full and one smaller salvo of 46 missiles per carrier only.

Tho it's often more the size of your salvo than the depth of your mags, and a munitions ship can be added to the fleet readily enough, or supply bases set up.
 

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2013, 11:28:41 AM »
Oh, forgot about that. But still, that is 308 Type 100 japanese missiles vs. 648 french MM50 Exocets.


I think we shouldn't forget about the shock damage, after all this is 6.30 game and japanese missiles are bigger.
 

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #10 on: July 16, 2013, 11:51:48 AM »
I think we shouldn't forget about the shock damage, after all this is 6.30 game and japanese missiles are bigger.

I wouldn't put to much stock in that, the warheads of both are small enough that actual shock damage is a low order probability.
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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2013, 03:59:18 PM »
Oh, forgot about that. But still, that is 308 Type 100 japanese missiles vs. 648 french MM50 Exocets.


On the other hand, an Akagi strikegroup fires 54 missiles to the Austerlitz's 16, and their missiles have slightly better performance as well as half again as much damage. If opponents have beam PD to shoot down an average of x missiles per salvo, that starts looking pretty lopsided in favor of the Akagi. And I believe every navy has some form of beam PD.

I wonder how Steve would feel about us battle simming his fleets before the campaign even starts :P
 

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2013, 04:12:39 PM »
I wonder how Steve would feel about us battle simming his fleets before the campaign even starts :P

Just remember, any results will be skewed since we are at 6.2 and Steve is on 6.3.

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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2013, 05:33:32 AM »
Here's hoping he tackled the effects of atmosphere and hyperdrives before the end of the campaign. ;D
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Re: After the Fall - Marine Nationale
« Reply #14 on: July 22, 2013, 06:58:30 AM »
We're in for "interesting times" between the japaneese and the frenchs. :D

Nitpicking again on the typo :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_ship_Bucentaure_%281803%29