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Review my Beam Ships (Magnetic Fusion Era)
AlStar:
It's occurred to me that while I've put my 2¢ in on a number of people's ship designs, I don't think I've ever asked for input on my own. These are pulled from my currently active game, which is just about to enter its 13th year. I'd be interested if anyone has any thoughts/insights on how I might improve them.
--- Code: ---Varg VII class Destroyer 9,000 tons 254 Crew 2,582.5 BP TCS 180 TH 1,150 EM 0
12778 km/s Armour 4-38 Shields 0-0 HTK 44 Sensors 11/11/0/0 DCR 4-4 PPV 30
Maint Life 0.80 Years MSP 1,317 AFR 162% IFR 2.2% 1YR 1,648 5YR 24,720 Max Repair 1,725 MSP
Baron Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 6 months Morale Check Required
Overtuned Magnetic Fusion Drive EP2300.00 (1) Power 2300 Fuel Use 17.94% Signature 1150.0 Explosion 11%
Fuel Capacity 554,000 Litres Range 61.8 billion km (55 days at full power)
Gomis-Belanger 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser (10) Range 120,000km TS: 12,778 km/s Power 3-3 RM 50,000 km ROF 5
Bisson Electronics Beam Fire Control R120-TS12500 (1) Max Range: 120,000 km TS: 12,500 km/s ECCM-2 92 83 75 67 58 50 42 33 25 17
Carey-Lalande Tokamak Fusion Reactor R36-PB60 (1) Total Power Output 36.2 Exp 30%
Girard-Girard Active Search Sensor AS50-R200 (1) GPS 4200 Range 50.1m km Resolution 200
Girard-Girard Active Search Sensor AS8-R1 (1) GPS 21 Range 8.6m km MCR 771.7k km Resolution 1
Girard-Girard Thermal Sensor TH1.0-11.0 (1) Sensitivity 11 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 26.2m km
Girard-Girard EM Sensor EM1.0-11.0 (1) Sensitivity 11 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 26.2m km
Electronic Warfare Jammers: Missile 1
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Warship for auto-assignment purposes
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--- Code: ---Progdish VI class Corvette 11,000 tons 329 Crew 3,017 BP TCS 220 TH 1,150 EM 0
10454 km/s Armour 5-44 Shields 0-0 HTK 63 Sensors 11/11/0/0 DCR 14-12 PPV 48
Maint Life 0.86 Years MSP 1,785 AFR 242% IFR 3.4% 1YR 2,064 5YR 30,961 Max Repair 1,725 MSP
Baron Control Rating 1 BRG
Intended Deployment Time: 10 months Morale Check Required
Overtuned Magnetic Fusion Drive EP2300.00 (1) Power 2300 Fuel Use 17.94% Signature 1150.0 Explosion 11%
Fuel Capacity 762,000 Litres Range 69.5 billion km (76 days at full power)
Billet Ordnance 12cm C4 Near Ultraviolet Laser (6) Range 120,000km TS: 10,454 km/s Power 4-4 RM 30,000 km ROF 5
Gomis-Belanger 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser (8) Range 144,000km TS: 10,454 km/s Power 3-3 RM 50,000 km ROF 5
Brand-Cuno Beam Fire Control R144-TS10000 (2) Max Range: 144,000 km TS: 10,000 km/s ECCM-2 93 86 79 72 65 58 51 44 38 31
Carey-Lalande Tokamak Fusion Reactor R36-PB60 (2) Total Power Output 72.4 Exp 30%
Girard-Girard Active Search Sensor AS8-R1 (1) GPS 21 Range 8.6m km MCR 771.7k km Resolution 1
Girard-Girard Active Search Sensor AS50-R200 (1) GPS 4200 Range 50.1m km Resolution 200
Girard-Girard Thermal Sensor TH1.0-11.0 (1) Sensitivity 11 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 26.2m km
Girard-Girard EM Sensor EM1.0-11.0 (1) Sensitivity 11 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 26.2m km
Electronic Warfare Jammers: Missile 1
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Warship for auto-assignment purposes
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--- Code: ---Rulg V class Cruiser 13,000 tons 382 Crew 3,316.8 BP TCS 260 TH 1,150 EM 0
8846 km/s Armour 7-49 Shields 0-0 HTK 68 Sensors 11/11/0/0 DCR 4-3 PPV 58
Maint Life 0.88 Years MSP 1,857 AFR 285% IFR 4.0% 1YR 2,109 5YR 31,630 Max Repair 1,725 MSP
Troop Capacity 250 tons Boarding Capable
Earl Control Rating 3 BRG AUX ENG
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months Morale Check Required
Overtuned Magnetic Fusion Drive EP2300.00 (1) Power 2300 Fuel Use 17.94% Signature 1150.0 Explosion 11%
Fuel Capacity 1,016,000 Litres Range 78.4 billion km (102 days at full power)
Martineau-Bergeron 15.0cm C3 Near Ultraviolet Laser (5) Range 180,000km TS: 8,846 km/s Power 6-3 RM 30,000 km ROF 10
Gomis-Belanger 10cm C3 Far Ultraviolet Laser (11) Range 150,000km TS: 8,846 km/s Power 3-3 RM 50,000 km ROF 5
Coutu-Blanchard Beam Fire Control R192-TS8000 (2) Max Range: 192,000 km TS: 8,000 km/s ECCM-2 95 90 84 79 74 69 64 58 53 48
Carey-Lalande Tokamak Fusion Reactor R36-PB60 (2) Total Power Output 72.4 Exp 30%
Girard-Girard Active Search Sensor AS50-R200 (1) GPS 4200 Range 50.1m km Resolution 200
Girard-Girard Active Search Sensor AS8-R1 (1) GPS 21 Range 8.6m km MCR 771.7k km Resolution 1
Girard-Girard Thermal Sensor TH1.0-11.0 (1) Sensitivity 11 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 26.2m km
Girard-Girard EM Sensor EM1.0-11.0 (1) Sensitivity 11 Detect Sig Strength 1000: 26.2m km
Electronic Warfare Jammers: Sensor 1 Missile 1
This design is classed as a Military Vessel for maintenance purposes
This design is classed as a Warship for auto-assignment purposes
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Caskie:
I am in no way at all an expert and am pretty much a beginner at the game in terms of my overall knowledge. I just learned about jump shock and squadron jumps through wormholes (the hard way, twice).
There are lots of people that will prefer for all of their mainline ships to go the same speed. I'm not one of those people. Although I think there are some advantages.
Maybe you should update some of the weapons on the cruiser? If you upgraded the longer range one Near UV ones, you would do more damage. You're firing twice as slowly with bigger guns so maybe by making it also Far UV instead it would make those shots count more.
Maybe also turretting the lasers on it, since it's a bit slower? The destroyer and corvette are pretty fast so it might not be such a problem.
Maint. life might also be an issue but I'm not sure exactly how it all works.
Kiero:
Varg VII Destroyer
- Its deployment time is very short, 6 months would suggest that it would be stationed at a maintenance site and respond to a specific detected threat in the system.
I would shorten its range to about 20 billion kilometres and even that would be much.
- Maintenance (MPS) of a beam-based ship is not enough. I won't even cover engine failure (1725 MPS, you have 1317 MPS on board). I would double or even triple the available MPS.
- The range of beam weapons is very short, especially since you have technologies (Coutu-Blanchard Beam Fire Control R192-TS8000).
- The number of sensors is also probably not necessary. Active sensor detecting missiles but no weapons to attack them. He would also get rid of EM and temperature sensors, this could be provided by colonies or a dedicated ship/station.
Progdish VI class Corvette
- The same when it comes to MPS, here I would try to reduce the AFR. There is a good chance that at least 2 times in a year this ship will fail. If twice it will be the engine then you don't have enough MPS.
- 10454 km/s I would try to maintain a similar velocity for all ships forming the fleet. So this ship is a bit slow.
- As above I would reduce the range.
- I would standardise the lasers and get rid of one Brand-Cuno Beam Fire Control R144-TS10000 (2).
Rulg V class Cruiser
- very slow for this engine technology
- more likely to be in the yard undergoing repairs than in the field.
Not enough MPS.
- as above unifying the lasers and getting rid of one Coutu-Blanchard Beam Fire Control R192-TS8000 (2)
- Intended Deployment Time: 12 months, would suggest it could operate at medium range. I would then reduce the range to around 30 billion km.
- Such a small number of boarding personnel would probably not even be able to handle a civilian ship. Unless it is defence personnel.
It would be good for you to write what roles these ships are to fulfil, are they to operate in groups or independently, etc.?
AlStar:
--- Quote from: Kiero on February 26, 2024, 06:27:45 AM ---It would be good for you to write what roles these ships are to fulfil, are they to operate in groups or independently, etc.?
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Thanks for the input - I hadn't considered the MSP situation in regards to the engine. It's a brand-new engine that I recently developed to maximize speed, but I (obviously) hadn't considered the impact doubling the engine size would do to repair costs.
Previous engine:
--- Code: ---Astruc Marine Magnetic Fusion Drive EP1000.00
Engine Power 1000 Fuel Use Per Hour 178.9 litres Fuel per EPH 0.179
Thermal Signature 500.0 Explosion Chance 10%
Military Engine
Cost 750 Size 2,500 tons Crew 50 HTK 7
Materials Required: Gallicite 750
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New generation engine:
--- Code: ---Overtuned Magnetic Fusion Drive EP2300.00
Engine Power 2300 Fuel Use Per Hour 412.6 litres Fuel per EPH 0.179
Thermal Signature 1150.0 Explosion Chance 11%
Military Engine
Cost 1725 Size 5,000 tons Crew 115 HTK 10
Materials Required: Gallicite 1,725
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Regarding the fire controls, I normally put one on the "defensive" lasers (10cm) and one on the "offensive" lasers (larger). I suppose I could reduce that to just the one, although, if nothing else, I like having some redundancy, since a beam ship without a working fire control is even more useless than one without an engine. I do need to improve range - that's one of the sticking points. We're currently only at a base range of 96,000 km, so while we have a theoretical max range of 150,000 km on the 10cm, all the way up to 800,000 km on 25cm, we can only get to 336,000 km, and that's on a 175 ton brute of a fire control.
250 tons isn't much, but it's enough for 20 Boarding Cannoneers (CAP / 24 Arm / 12 HP) led by a Boarding HQ. Ideally, the teams from multiple ships all board at once, but a single team has managed to take over a Raider ship that I knocked out the engines before.
Generally speaking, everything travels as a group, which means the Cruisers slow things down, but they'll drop out of formation for high-speed intercepts / beam duals - they're mostly there as meat shields; as our current major threat is a Precursor base that fires bunches of ASMs at us, and they tend to target the Cruisers first.
The other thing worth noting is that, due to our civilization never (ever) producing a Missiles / Kinetic Weapons scientist, we're not using Gauss, Railguns, or AMMs. At this point, I've decided it's a RP thing, even if a scientist eventually shows up.
PartiellesIntegral:
I agree with Kiero's points.
I'd add that for the Varg 4 armor isn't a lot for the tonnage, especially considering the short range of the weapons. Same for the Progdish.
I'd always tack on a BFC with the highest range and acceptable tracking speed against ships because the hit chances go down with (rangemax-range)/rangemax, so a longer ranged BFC will lead to more hits at range.
You can see this when you look at the numbers next to your BFC components. They indicate the basic hitchance in default increments of 10,000km unless changed. For example the Bisson Electronics Beam Fire Control has a hitchance of (120000-100000)/120000=17% at 100,000 km, which is pretty bad considering you're going to do 1 damage per hit at that range and be in range of enemy fire. Compare this to your Coutu-Blanchard Beam Fire Control with 192,000 km which yields a hit chance of (1929000-100000)/192000=48% hit chance at 100,000km. If you use a 384,000 km BFC you'd get a lot more out of your lasers.
You should tech more into EW. Level 1 won't impress anyone and I'd rather have a fire control jammer on beam weapon combatants. I think the addition of basic EM and thermal sensors is fine. The cost of unhardened ones should be relatively small when looking at the overall design cost.
The ships can contribute to missile defence considering the fast firing laser, but since the weapons aren't turreted the tracking speed hit chance penalty isn't be nice.
Also your 15cm lasers have a 30kkm RM compared to the 12cm ones with 50kkm RM, which isn't pretty.
Overall I'd say these are alright albeit less efficient and more costly than they should be at dealing with low tech threats.
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