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C# Mechanics / Re: MFC signature vs passive detection
« Last post by Steve Walmsley on Yesterday at 03:06:02 AM »
That line in the MFC description is a bug and should only appear for active sensors. I've fixed that for v2.0.
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C# Bureau of Design / Re: MaxTech Corvette for Anti-Missile Work.
« Last post by bdub1 on Yesterday at 12:57:11 AM »
ship

This is an excellent design that will accomplish the purpose exactly, ton for ton. The only quibble I can make is that the ENG and CIC modules are extraneous and I would probably omit them to eliminate strain on my officer corps. The CIC is unnecessary as you can easily get 100% or better CTH with the missile design alone, while the ENG is just a difficult position to fill when added to small ships you will build many of - maybe less so if you tweak your rank structure accordingly and do not use fighters very much.

Ah, alright, makes sense
Id probably swap those out for either another shield module, or more fuel and armour, but, thanks
In this one i dont really use many fighters, mostly as ppv, although the experiments with tiny cloaks might change  things, hmm
anyway, thanks
As well, the german rank structure has a few lower ranks, so it might not be too bad, especially with the robust, 3 planet spanning academies i have, but still
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C# Mechanics / Re: MFC signature vs passive detection
« Last post by nakorkren on Yesterday at 12:44:53 AM »
Good to know, thank you!
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C# Bureau of Design / Re: MaxTech Corvette for Anti-Missile Work.
« Last post by nuclearslurpee on September 22, 2021, 10:43:23 PM »
ship

This is an excellent design that will accomplish the purpose exactly, ton for ton. The only quibble I can make is that the ENG and CIC modules are extraneous and I would probably omit them to eliminate strain on my officer corps. The CIC is unnecessary as you can easily get 100% or better CTH with the missile design alone, while the ENG is just a difficult position to fill when added to small ships you will build many of - maybe less so if you tweak your rank structure accordingly and do not use fighters very much.
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C# Mechanics / Re: MFC signature vs passive detection
« Last post by TheBawkHawk on September 22, 2021, 10:39:51 PM »
Just tested it, I placed a ship of race A with large passive EM and TH sensors out in space, and 50m km away I placed a ship of race B with active sensors with 50K signature, and another ship at 40m km with a missile fire control with 50k signature as well. The ship of race A could detect the active sensors, and could not detect the missile fire controls. Even after firing the missiles and guiding them in on target, at no point did the ship from race A detect the missile fire control, despite it being closer than the active sensor.

In the class display tab as well, the missile fire controls don't list a value for GPS, which is the signature strength. Fairly certain it's included on the component summary by error.

Tested again at point blank range, close enough to detect the strength 3 thermals of the ship from race B and there was no detection of the missile fire control, during launch or guidance.
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C# Mechanics / Re: MFC signature vs passive detection
« Last post by nakorkren on September 22, 2021, 10:23:16 PM »
For a MFC I'm looking at researching right now, there's a line for "Signature vs Passive Detection" (see below), which I took to imply that it would be detectable...

Anti-ship MFC 113Mkm
Resolution 200   Range vs 10,000 ton object (or larger) Range 113.1m km   
Range vs 1000 ton object 1.1m km
Range vs 250 ton object 70.7k km
Signature vs Passive Detection: 4200
Cost 21.0   Size 50 tons   Crew 2   HTK 1
Base Chance to hit 100%
Materials Required: Uridium  21   
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C# Mechanics / Re: MFC signature vs passive detection
« Last post by TheBawkHawk on September 22, 2021, 10:21:41 PM »
1: MFC's do not emit anything, and are not detectable. They rely on separate active sensors to paint targets for them to lock on to.
2: No, AFAIK there is currently no way to terminate a missile in flight, the only ways missiles will terminate is it running out of endurance or it hitting a target.

edit: addendum to 2, I think if you lose target lock via losing the active sensor contact, or moving out of the FC range(?) the missiles will terminate as well.
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C# Mechanics / MFC signature vs passive detection
« Last post by nakorkren on September 22, 2021, 10:14:32 PM »
Two questions:

1. Is a MFC "always on" from the standpoint of an enemy trying to detect it? If not, when does it start "transmitting", e.g. when you assign it a target, when you click Open Fire for that MFC, etc?
2. On a related topic, if you have missiles still guiding to the target (with no sensor on the missile), and you click "Cease Fire" on the MFC that fired the missiles, will the salvo self-terminate?
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C# Bureau of Design / Re: MaxTech Corvette for Anti-Missile Work.
« Last post by bdub1 on September 22, 2021, 09:09:53 PM »
I generally agree with the above.
To take use of these, here's a possible design i threw together from my own max tech game.
There may be things you want to change, of course, but heres an outline of wat you could do, assuming an end tonnage goal of 5 kt.


(Edit as i'd forgotten an AMSS)
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Nurnberg class Frigate      5,000 tons       170 Crew       7,814.8 BP       TCS 0    TH 3,300    EM 1,050
33002 km/s      Armour 15-26       Shields 35-140       HTK 45      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 33      PPV 6
Maint Life 3.30 Years     MSP 2,935    AFR 67%    IFR 0.9%    1YR 407    5YR 6,112    Max Repair 1800 MSP
Magazine 196   
Kapitan zur See    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   
Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Morale Check Required   

Clausen-Lussky Marine Photonic Drive  EP3300.00 (1)    Power 3300    Fuel Use 24.73%    Signature 3300    Explosion 16%
Fuel Capacity 335,000 Litres    Range 48.8 billion km (17 days at full power)
Brinz-Landesmann Defence Technologies Tau S35 / R140 Shields (1)     Recharge Time 140 seconds (0.3 per second)

Schaefer-Altdorf Armaments Size 1 Missile Launcher (75.00% Reduction) (8)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 5
Miller Sensor Systems Missile Fire Control FC185-R1 (5%) (2)     Range 185.4m km    Resolution 1
Stolz AMM (196)    Speed: 270,000 km/s    End: 0.6m     Range: 9.5m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 7380/4428/2214

Steig Electronics Industries Active Search Sensor AS207-R1 (1)     GPS 1800     Range 207.3m km    MCR 18.7m km    Resolution 1
Cloaking Device: Class cross-section reduced to 0.500% of normal

Compact ECCM-10 (2)         ECM 100
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General Discussion / Re: errormessages
« Last post by Erik L on September 22, 2021, 06:13:03 PM »
Make sure you don't use the apostrophe character. I'm not certain Steve has sanitized that yet.
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