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Re: The Galaxy Awaits ... Choose Your Path!
« Reply #60 on: August 14, 2013, 08:47:18 PM »
What did Sam Baker doing to get that 15% political favor? Wooing the president's daughter or bribing the high command?  >:(
 

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« Reply #61 on: August 14, 2013, 09:35:17 PM »
Being awesome, I assume ;)

I'm facepalming right now.  I'd totally forgot we hadn't scanned the comets yet!  Those should definitely tide us over for a few years until we're actually ready to leave the system.
 

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« Reply #62 on: August 15, 2013, 01:11:35 PM »
Eh, yes and no.  They will certainly help tremendously, but won't solve everything.

2041, Part One

Comet Surveys

Jan 3rd – Rater geology time lands on Schaumasse.  

Late Feb – Swift-Tuttle surveyed and found to contain 8 minerals at high accessibility(all 0.7 or better), though only a total of 70k altogether.  A very good yet fairly small discovery.  Six for six ... where there’s smoke, there’s fire.  

March 3rd – Wild has 5 minerals, most notably 35k Gallicite and 12.5k Neutronium.  A little over 60k altogether.    
               
March 14th – Faye makes it 8 for 8.  Safe to call it a pattern, I’d say.  6 more at 0.7 or better, including over 7.5k of the rare corundium.  A little over 50k in total.

April 3rd – Herschel-Rigollet is one of the best finds yet, but unfortunately it’s almost to the Kuiper Belt and has another 3b+ km to go before it turns around, so it’ll be some time before we can make use of it.  Over 40k of several minerals, and 10k corundium is there.

Just about now, I’m wondering what in the heck is taking the team on Titan so long?  I mean, Venus didn’t even take this long and it’s much larger.  We can only hope that what it means is that they are verifying in triplicate the size of some enormous discovery ...

May 5th – Enke has about 35k and none of the key minerals are there.  11 more ‘catchable’ comets to survey.  

May 17th – Halley’s Comet has about 90k, most notably Neutronium at 18k+.  It’s another long-term project as it’s heading out past the Kuiper Belt soon.  It’s also the last of the highly distant comets – the rest are inside Uranus orbit – and hopes are high they can be tagged by the end of
the year ...

June 9th – Reinmuth survey complete.  Enough mines on there and neutronium would be an ex-issue for a very long time.  164k at 0.7, 350k total a very considerable discovery, most of the rest being corbomite.  

June 13th – Tempel-1 is found to contain less than 30k, and the Rater team finishes on Schaumasse, having found no additional deposits.  

June 18th – Stephan-Oterma has 25k Duranium, about 105-110k total.

June 22nd – 8 minerals on Crommelin, 16k duranium, 3.2k corundium, a total of about 150k the majority of which is tritanium.

June 25th – Rater geology team arrives on Borrelly.  

July 2nd – Neujmin has primarily Neutronium(90k) and Tritanium, about 185k total.  

July 3rd – Temple-Tuttle yields a little under 70k, including 5k corundium and about half of it Tritanium.  

July 10th – Comas Sola results in 75k or so, including all three key minerals.  The Rater team finds nothing more on Borrelly.  Comas Sola has the best balance of the three most-essential minerals to be found so far, and the Rater team heads there next.  

July 17th – The Rater team finds nothing more on Comas Sola.  Wolf-Harrington has no duranium, but some of just about everything else and a total pushing 150k.  

July 22nd – Macholz has the big three and a total of 8 minerals, 80k-plus.  

July 24th – Wolf has suprisingly little, about 30k and only the Neutronium is particularly needed.

That’s all for the comets except the four extremely distant ones, none of which we need concern ourselves with for many years.

Earth

Feb. 15th – Retooling complete, construction of the CS Antonio Abetti(Spruance-class colony ship) commences at the Tod & MacGregor.  It is no longer vitally needed, and will likely see some sitting around after it completes a year from August.

April 22nd – Earth has built all the automated mines we can afford without running corundium reserves too low.  All that’s left is to ship them to the best places we can find.  A side effect is the only thing being worked on is building more research lab complexes( this will have a huge long-term effect as long as the mineral crisis endures)

May – Corundium and neutronium are now exhausted on earth.  We knew it was coming, but it’s still depressing.



The SPACE Executive Board has drawn up a review of the present knowledge of the Sol system geologically speaking, and will be presenting it momentarily.
 

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« Reply #63 on: August 15, 2013, 01:25:20 PM »
?SOL STRATEGIC GEOLOGICAL REVIEW

A.  MINERALS & THEIR USES

Duranium – We use duranium in everything we build, as it is an essential fundamental to the construction process.  Four to five kilotons a year is the current need: Earth produces 3.3kt, and will only be able to sustain that level for about another five years, maybe six.  When it begins to fall(or possibly even sooner), many factories on earth will fall silent for extended periods of time if the supply cannot be replaced.  Extreme rationing will result.

Neutronium – Primarily used as a key element in all shipyard perations(building them, retooling, expanding) though not in shipbuilding itself, neutronium is also used for ground force training facilities, mass drivers, and maintenance facilities.  Earth’s deposits have been exhausted, and less than 4.5k remains, resulting in all neutronium usage requiring the personal authorization of Director Dungey and only approved in cases of the most urgent need. 

Corbomite – Not many traditional industrial concerns use it: financial centres, spaceports, and military academies.  A small amount(5 tons) is used in each ship we construct.  Earth still has over 16k left at low accessibility, and over 5k stockpiled which would last us for the forseeable future at current expenditures by itself.  Corbomite is not a short-term concern.

Tritanium – Required for building construction and ordnance factories as well as military academies.  Quite a bit was used initially for the economic conversion, but it is expected to see extremely limited use.  It is earth’s richest deposit with over 110k left at low accessibility, and we presently have 2.5k with none being used.  As there will be no need for new factories for some time, tritanium is also not a short or medium-range issue. 

Boronide – was the first mineral to be exhausted on earth: thankfully we didn’t need much of it. There is 9.5k in the stockpile and a huge reserve of 1.0 accessible on Venus whenever we want more.  Mass drivers, spaceports, and terraforming installations require it, as well as a very small(1.5 to 5 tons) on each of our spaceships.  Boronide is as close to a complete non-issue as anything could be.

Mercassium – The most essential use is a considerable amount required for research labs, and some also for spaceports.  It also sees considerable use in starship construction, with all of our current designs requiring 20-25 tons, with the exception of the Spruance-class colony ships which require over 400 tons each!  Fortunately, mercassium is fairly plentiful and accessible on earth.  We have 15k in the stockpile with over 20k left to mine.  We need to make sure we don’t run low on it if possible, but for the next several years at least there would be no way for us to spend more than we have.

Vendarite – Used in construction and fighter factories only, Vendarite is not expected to be needed for quite some time.  There are 6kt in the stockpile, and another 63k available to be mined on earth, the most plenteous mineral aside from tritanium.  It’s only 0.3 accessible, but as it isn’t being used at all right now the stockpile should grow gradually for the forseeable future.

Sorium – Sorium’s sole use is a very important one: it is refined into fuel for our starships.  Run out, and our fleet will cease to function, so running out is not an option.  At present the stockpile is at 7.6kt and growing – the refineries are only using up around half of each year’s yield.  Earth has only 7.3k left though, and accessibility is at 0.45 and shrinking.  We have time, but not more than a decade probably, to find additional sources.

Uridium – Used in deep space tracking stations, financial centres, military academies, spaceports, and small amounts in starships, uridium is a versatile mineral that is required in small amounts for several different purposes.  It is currently our largest stockpile with nearly 21k on hand and another 17 left at pretty good but declining accessibility(0.72). 

Corundium – Required mostly for mines, but also used in military academies.  Corundium is in dire straits, exhausted on earth and 5k in the stockpile. 

Gallicite – Used in modest amount for starships(5-20t each for current designs), but that’s it. With a 20kt stockpile, we’re not all that worried that there’s less than 5k left to mine. 

SUMMARY

Clearly our top concerns are duranium(so the economy doesn’t grind to a halt) and corundium(the more we have, the more of everything, duranium included, we can extract). Neutronium, and after that sorium also have to be concerns because we have limited amounts of them and because they are essential to what passes as the fleet.  Mercassium is a long-range concern, the rest are just icing on the cake in terms of immediate mining.
 

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« Reply #64 on: August 15, 2013, 01:57:13 PM »
Well operative word is "a few years".  My concern is still leaving the Solar System, of course  ;D  Even with a slow down, though, that's still technically progress.  Running out completely is the only wrench that's particularly fatal.

The report there helps a lot putting things into perspective though.  I'm running a community game right now and so far the comets have been the California Gold Rush, so to speak.  There's always a real problem if one mineral in particular is in short supply.  In my game it's Uridium, and in this one it appears to be Corundium.  As long as you can get a decent number of mines, I don't think a Corundium shortage is going to be too bad, as long as you retain the capacity to mine a new source once it's found.
 

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« Reply #65 on: August 15, 2013, 02:03:14 PM »
** January 2026 -- Col.  Benjamin Berkeley is commissioned and given command of the 9th Low Tech Infantry Battalion.   His notable skills are in Xenology(25%) and Ground Combat(15%).   He has the cautious, many social interests, and cold manner traits, and immediately ranks 1st among 12 active Colonels, making him a prime candidate for quick promotion.   

This is good. Means he's likely to be on the ground cracking open that alien ruin, rather then stuck planet-side on some diplomatic misson. Just got to wait for us to expand a little.
 

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« Reply #66 on: August 15, 2013, 02:06:56 PM »

For the fighters you could go with something like this:

 50 ton engine
 20 ton fuelstorage (2x small)
 25 ton tiny engineering space
 50 ton crewquarters
150 Ton geosensor
150 ton jump engine ( 600t displacement at Jump efficiency 4)


These actually work? I'd be worried about my geo-scanners breaking down all the time with that small an engineering allocation.
 

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« Reply #67 on: August 15, 2013, 03:08:53 PM »
B.  SURVEY RESULTS TO DATE

Planets(Habitable)

Mercury – Nearly as hot and inhospitable as Venus, the smallish sun-blasted planet is completely barren of useful resources.  It’s a useless ball of rock, and likely to remain useless.

Venus – Though the infrastructure cost is massive, the resources there demand some investment.  A mine on Venus will result in 24 tons per year.  Unfortunately, only 7 tons of that will be the minerals we presently need, part of the calculus which is resulting in a steady downgrading of it’s importance.  

Mars – The best terraforming candidate in the system has nothing to avail it except space to live on.  Given the current state of affairs, that isn’t even close to being good enough, though it may be worth investing it far down the road simply as another place for our people to live.

Planets(Other)

Jupiter – The huge red planet has nothing to offer, there is literally no way to make use of it.

Saturn – Our best potential source of sorium in the system, at over 45mt it would make fuel issues go away with sufficient investment.  That’s a long-term goal, both because we have more pressing issues at the moment and because the technology does not exist to harvest it.  If we can find a way in the future however, it would be most lucrative.  

Uranus – Another good source of sorium, more accessible but more distant.  ‘Only’ 18mt, but when talking about those kinds of amounts the size of the deposit seems virtually irrelevant.  

Neptune – More sorium was found here, but only a bit under 1.5mt and at 0.5 accessibility.  Saturn and Uranus are much better choices.

Dwarf Planets(1 of 8 surveyed)

Ceres was found to be barren, with the others all located in the Kuiper Belt region.  

Habitable Moons(6 of 6 surveyed)

Luna is barren but could be settled if desired.  Titan has a small cache of  duranium(21k at 0.6) and at 7.0 colony cost is a reasonable place for a refining colony for sorium harvested from Saturn’s atmosphere in the future.  Callisto(58k tritanium at 0.5, 2.5mt Uridium at 0.1) was the only other moon to show results and is clearly not worth the price of a colony.  

Asteroids(283 of 528 surveyed)

With 53.5% completed, just 17 have been found to contain minerals, or just about 6% of the asteroids so far.  Of those 17, just two – both small outer-system moons – have been found to contain 10k or more.  Triton is the exception that breaks the rule -- the Neptunian moon boasts over a million tons including almost a half-million Duranium.

It has also proved true that the outer-system asteroids have slightly more likelihood of containing resources, and at higher concentrations.  

Comets(21 of 25 surveyed)

All of them have had something, and most of them enough to be worth investing in.  

SUMMARY

While it remains possible that the 5 dwarf planets in the Kuiper Belt and the 245 asteroids there and elsewhere will contain more deposits, it is reasonably likely that all the significant deposits have been found, and highly unlikely that what more might be found will make a difference given the size of the rocks left to survey and the distance to reach them.  It is therefore recommended that SPACE operate under the assumption that the currently known minerals are the full extent of what exists in our system.

ANALYSIS

It appears that there are enough resources on the comets that, in time, we will be able to dig ourselves out of the current mineral shortages.  75-80k of high-accessibility corundium is potentially available, enough to give us several hundred automated mines.  Known sorium is over 100mt, duranium over 600kt plus the 14mt at 0.5 on Venus, neutronium in the 350-400k range and Reinmuth alone(160kt) could satisfy our needs for generations.  

This scenario allows for continued progression and hegemony of human civilization.  It also would require decades of hard work and hardship to achieve, with nothing but mostly continued hardship on the horizon as more and more miners get thrown out of work.  The unemployment rate is already 11.5% and continuing to rise.  There is only one hope for a better economic future for our people – another planet in another star system elsewhere in the galaxy.  

The best of our long-range telescopes cannot tell us with any confidence the habitability conditions for planets that distant, or even in most cases if the systems even have any, much less what we might find there(if we could reach them).  Alpha Centauri, the closest system at 4.24ly away, would take our fastest ships(the Lexington-II class transports) nearly 25,000 years to reach – assuming they didn’t use any fuel of course, the need for which would make such a journey completely impossible.  Even quantam leaps in fuel storage, refining, usage, and engine power would not scratch the surface of making such a trip doable.  

The only realistic option is a concept which is as of yet only a theory, though one that scientists believe as probably valid though unproven.  The extreme forces involved in the formation of star systems are believed to both weaken and warp certain space-time locations to the extent that it may be possible with to open a singularity(i.e. wormhole) at these locations.  This is known as Jump Point Theory, wherein it may be possible for a ship to transit from one such point to another nearly instanteously.  Many scientists have even gone so far as to theorize that the number, location, and geographic arrangements of these ‘jump points’ in a given system is a mathematically predictable element.  

Mankind is then presented with a choice: is it worth the price of investment to research this possibility now, with no guarantee it will be worth it even if ‘success’ is achieved?  Director-Governor Dungey wishes to consider advice from all who may wish to give it before making a decision on this matter.  The mineral crisis, and these issues surrounding it, is certain to dominate the upcoming 2041 election ...
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« Reply #68 on: August 15, 2013, 03:33:03 PM »
These actually work? I'd be worried about my geo-scanners breaking down all the time with that small an engineering allocation.
Unfortunately, that particular design wouldn't work, as a geo-sensor is 250 tons, not 150. However, without the jump drive, space would be freed up for more engineering. Another design could take over jump exploration, considering the small cost of fighters.
 

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« Reply #69 on: August 15, 2013, 05:20:05 PM »
My vote is for JP theory, of course (if I get a vote  :-[ ).  We can slap some grav sensors on a ship and have it scouting for the actual points while we work on the jump ships themselves, and perhaps next gen engines.
 

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« Reply #70 on: August 15, 2013, 05:36:24 PM »
I'd got with something more like
250 ton Geo/Grav
35 Ton Crew Quarters
25 Ton Engineering Spaces
40 Ton Fuel
50 Ton Engines
In a 3000 Ton Carrier. Carrier should have a recon fighter too, with a jump engine and all three sensor types instead of Geo/Grav, maybe, too.
 

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« Reply #71 on: August 15, 2013, 06:12:16 PM »
Herman Fox votes for jump-point theory and is diverting some of his campaign money to it ;D. He also turns in his application for a position as "Tele-administrator" in case a Mining-colony on a Comet is opened.
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« Reply #72 on: August 15, 2013, 09:06:44 PM »
Do we have a character with a name of Herman FOx?  ??? ??? ???
 

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« Reply #73 on: August 15, 2013, 09:48:58 PM »
If its not to late I would like to join in.

I dont really care much about the job, just have him do something so he does not get fired in 6 years.

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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2013, 11:49:08 PM »
No problem you will be added -- can't guarantee a job though but you can always regen if you don't get one. 

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Do we have a character with a name of Herman FOx?

Yes we do :)

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Herman Fox votes for jump-point theory and is diverting some of his campaign money to it

What makes you think you have any campaign money? :P

@Rolepgeek:  Carriers require boat bays.  We don't know what those are :)

@OAM47:  Of course you get a vote, it just doesn't count for much relatively speaking.  However, it seems your point of view is carrying it so far unanimously, so you're likely to get what you want anyway.