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Offline SpaceMarine (OP)

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What is going on with swarm generation chance
« on: February 23, 2021, 05:16:12 PM »
This is a quick post just to tell steve that I believe something is borked with swarm because I have been playing since 1.0 and havent seen a single swarm that I have not spawned in myself, others have also said the same, either in recent versions theres been an issue behind the scenes thats borked them (which I doubt because we have atleast one confirmed case outside of steve) or the generation chance is very very small in which case I think it really needs to be higher as even invaders are more common than swarm.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2021, 05:37:51 PM »
I haven't seen the Swarm yet either. I've even tried using the SM create swarm button but that didn't appear to do anything. I took a peek in the DB, and found it was creating the swarm races just fine. The problem is that the generation wasn't giving the swarm any ships or units, so they didn't have any actual presence.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2021, 05:50:22 PM »
I've not seen any Swarms...ever, actually. Steve apparently ran into a bunch of them in his B5 campaign which I think was played with some of the initial 1.13 changes, so maybe the fix to Rakhas did something?
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2021, 06:25:45 PM »
I ran into them in a 1.11 game. But not in 1.12.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2021, 07:11:32 PM »
I've highlighted this too on another post a month or so ago under suggestion as I wanted a PLAYER SLIDES for spoiler generation (it has been implemented only for NPR currently from 1.13), but a few users answered to me that they were common so I just kept playing.

I can confirm that as of today (more than 400 hours and roughly 4 different saves) that I've never met any swarm.

EDIT: I've looked always at the DBs and the swarm wasn't even there as a race listed.

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2021, 08:08:25 PM »
This is a quick post just to tell steve that I believe something is borked with swarm because I have been playing since 1.0 and havent seen a single swarm that I have not spawned in myself, others have also said the same, either in recent versions theres been an issue behind the scenes thats borked them (which I doubt because we have atleast one confirmed case outside of steve) or the generation chance is very very small in which case I think it really needs to be higher as even invaders are more common than swarm.

If I were you I would create a bug report and link this thread in that post.

Otherwise I'd like to add my voice to the "never found naturally spawning swarm" group.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2021, 08:26:20 PM »
EDIT: I've looked always at the DBs and the swarm wasn't even there as a race listed.

Swarms and Rakhas both generate a separate race from each encounter, unlike Precursors and Invaders who are static races and thus appear in the DB from the beginning.

I suspect that the bugs in Rakhas code may have been influencing Swarm as well based on reports here, in which case the fix Steve made for 1.13 may have inadvertently corrected this.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2021, 08:53:56 PM »
I have encountered the Swarm in my current 1.12 game. in the course of the game, I have encountered two different swarms, plus another time in my previous 1.12 game.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2021, 09:09:38 PM »
Does anyone here know the conditions under which a swarm can spawn? Seems like there are a few people who do find them.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2021, 12:48:29 AM »
This is surprising, because in my current game I encountered two Swarms (one big and one smaller) with arround 40 discovered systems (realstars) and in previous version I had some encounters as well.

Edit: I only play with real stars. So one possibility would be that there is some issue if you do not use real stars?
« Last Edit: February 24, 2021, 12:50:31 AM by Black »
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2021, 01:17:14 AM »
Edit: I only play with real stars. So one possibility would be that there is some issue if you do not use real stars?

Don't think so, I play only real stars too.

EDIT: I've literally never encountered them.

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2021, 03:29:08 AM »
Don't underestimate the power or random, that is all I say...  ;)
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2021, 04:46:37 AM »
I am playing the current campaign without swarm because I have run into them too much :)

I have checked the generation a few times and it is fine. The swarm has a 1 in 30 chance of appearing when the required conditions are met.

1) No precursors or aether rifts generated in the system
2) At least one system body with a Swarm Mining Score of 4

The Swarm mining score for a system body is calculated as follows:

1) Total accessibility of minerals where the deposit is at least 1000 tons
2) Accessibility is counted as double if the deposit is 1m tons or more.
3) Accessibility is counted as 1.5x if the deposit is 100k to 1m tons.
3) Accessibility is counted as 1.25x if the deposit is 10k to 100k tons.
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2021, 04:58:22 AM »
This is good  to hear but steve would it be possible to implement a way to increase spoiler generation chance directly for the player as That wouls give a lot more choice as to how much they want each threat to be, I think outside of that swarm generation chance needs to be a little higher but thats because I have never once encountered them in a single game like many others, so a slide system or a way to specify the chance you want would make sure each individual player would get the experience with them in their campaign that they want.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2021, 05:06:03 AM by SpaceMarine »
 

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Re: What is going on with swarm generation chance
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2021, 05:25:19 AM »
Yes that would be really really good. Maybe the best would be a... multiplier? I think it would be pretty easy tocode for you Steve.

Say, if you have a spoiler race ticked on during generation, you have a small box near where you can put a multiplier. Say, from 0.1x to 10x. That way the generation code stays mostly the same, you just need to multiply the chance with the multiplier selected at game start.

I would simply love to be able to play, say, a game with 2x swarm generation chance and 10x chance precursor generation chance.
 

 

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