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Posted by: Destra
« on: January 31, 2012, 12:33:27 AM »

had a very busy few days here, not really had much time ... well actually any time to myself, though for this section of time theres not much to report so dont hold your breathe for anything important, though i HOPEFULLY will have it up tomorow, just gotta write when its not 1030 pm :P
Posted by: Destra
« on: December 06, 2011, 05:06:57 PM »

Hmmm true, they don't even have to fire their warheads then, thus they are infact a ticking timebomb potentially, this is good to know ... :p
Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 06, 2011, 03:59:40 PM »

it's not even a "if they make it through".
they just need to have their warheads explode in their countries.
200 warheads exploding all around the world would dust it to death.
and radioactions would be a world wide phenomon.
Posted by: Destra
« on: December 06, 2011, 02:07:56 PM »

Indeed mutual destruction is assured, the viel itself has enough warheads to reduce the earth to a nuclear wasteland for probably thousands of years, and there are 7 other nations on planet with TN tech, everyone says, one warhead getting through, is bad, I say half my stock getting through will destroy the earth, and sure while I can't fire a thousand missiles in one volley, it will still be a fair amount. Now I imagine you all have similer abilities so, yes earth would be gone.
Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 06, 2011, 01:04:49 PM »

it's because we are an ensemble of embassies.
at the very least we understand that mutual destruction is assured.
to say, it's true pdc can shoot down missiles, but we share the same atmosphere.
if the nonspacefaring nations decide for mutual suicide they just need to shoot those missiles at THEMSELVES.
dust and radioactivity would spread around changing the climate and killing nearly everyone.
neo italians have vaults for a few of the population, but not all of it.
the veil is transferring outside of the world, saying that once left her territories could go to "first come first served".
so we could argue: why let her decide if she's going to no longer belong to earth?.
i too was thinking about leaving earth with the entirety of the neo italians, but until another system is discovered, and the technology to find said system are researched, i have to make sure nobody kills nobody.
because it would be a chain reaction for doom.
Posted by: Destra
« on: December 06, 2011, 11:51:53 AM »

Whi says it has to be democratic? I know the veil isn't, yes I like hornets :d
Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 06, 2011, 06:01:18 AM »

thats the point of voting: removing weight of people.
vote is the same for everyone.
your vote must have the same weight and value of another individual, that is democracy.
which means that a little justin bieber girl fanatic will have the same vote at eighteen that a phd in maths has.
because democracy considers the masses of individual.
so if there are 2000 of bieber's girls, and only 200 phds in maths, if a bill has to pass to give funding to justin biebers concerts or to mathematics increase, then it's concerts.
because it's democracy, where the mass rules and the smart guys hope for dictatorship.
this is to say, i too prefer a meritocracy, neo italy IS a meritocracy, but if votes must be done, they must be done as they should.
and thats what i am suggesting, there is no need for a ONU or UNO, but a system to guarantee voting matters should be enacted and enabled.
so at the very least, nations could agree to disagree.
Posted by: Panopticon
« on: December 06, 2011, 05:23:59 AM »

At the moment it is moot though, as we don't really have a governing body or even anyone with regulatory powers, the first step to this would be forming a UN style body of some variety like the organizations from the first game. Though I think a few of us are a lot less cooperative than we were in that one.

Could be fun, the AD is too Xenophobic to propose such a thing, but debate on the matter would be interesting if someone wanted to bring it up.
Posted by: Vynadan
« on: December 06, 2011, 03:58:52 AM »

I disagree, but that might just come from my rebellious nature and weird understanding of votes 8) I must admit that I have no idea how the UNO votes (I guess that's what you mean by ONU :P), but in regards to politicial votes between nations, I'd say that you must know who voted for what to better judge how much weight each vote has.

Yeah, weighting votes goes against the more strict definitions of democratic votes, but it's international politics and not democracy xD
Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 06, 2011, 03:45:52 AM »

the fact is that voting matters are conducted in anonymous.
to say, when the ONU makes a vote, everyone first presses the button, THEN the results are displayed.
this is to avoid having Russia intimidate a country like iceland (making example) by making russia vote first "against" and then those who do not have to choose attriction or bowing.
if the god emperor of mankind votes against, you vote against.
if you don't know his vote at the beginning, you are free to vote what you wish blessing ignorance.
every vote is made with anonymity.
or it's not a vote, it's a charade.
Posted by: Vynadan
« on: December 06, 2011, 02:54:19 AM »

i suppose for the "non tn" nation, since it's a vote and all, it should be conducted through a poll, with garancy of anonymous voting. once every tn nation has voted, we look the result.
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to say, the veil voted against. since we all now know that, if somebody were to be of contrary belief, attriction would eventually be born.
[...]
and intimidation while not proven could be used by the non tn nations to declare the vote unacceptable in case of their defeat.

I'm all for posts in the Chicxulub Crater Debates thread. How is all that not normal politics?
Posted by: shadenight123
« on: December 05, 2011, 02:50:28 PM »

i suppose for the "non tn" nation, since it's a vote and all, it should be conducted through a poll, with garancy of anonymous voting. once every tn nation has voted, we look the result.
if it's a no or a yes.
otherwise it's easy to bring forth pressure to change one's vote for another, before the time comes.
to say, the veil voted against. since we all now know that, if somebody were to be of contrary belief, attriction would eventually be born.
and intimidation while not proven could be used by the non tn nations to declare the vote unacceptable in case of their defeat.
since neo italy has declared complete neutrality on other states sovereignity and facts, we could have neo italians take care of votes being kept anonymous. until everyone has voted, and then to proceed to the scrutiny.
this is just to say that publicly announcing one vote isn't a problem, problem is if everyone is obliged to do so.
Posted by: Vynadan
« on: December 04, 2011, 04:56:15 AM »

o_O True. No idea how I missed that, but it's added now. Also added Iraq to League
Posted by: Panopticon
« on: December 03, 2011, 11:56:42 PM »

Unless I fail at map reading it appears the AD is not marked as controlling Texas, but I do.
Posted by: Vynadan
« on: December 03, 2011, 08:38:14 PM »

Updated again.