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Organizing the military arm of the navy
« on: June 28, 2021, 04:15:39 AM »
I'm trying to model my battle fleet after USSR's irl navy, but sources are scarce on this. This is a first attempt in a long time to try and seriously organize my naval Order of Battle. Naming conventions and the logistics arm is giving me headaches as well since I know little on the subject. Would the colliers, tankers and whatnot be directly under the battle fleet's command or divided between the battle divisions? Which would be more realistic? There's also the matter of how should I structure troop & air force transports, would they be under the Battle Fleet or be their own air force & army command? At the moment they're their separate arm.

Since I don't know better, I've named the frontline-formations under the "Battle Fleet" as "Battle Divisions", I'm not sure if this is what IRL soviet navy would've named had they ever built up their blue-water navy.

Current strategic situation;


Alien empire at YZ Canis Minoris that we have established communications with and whom we're neutral with and keeping eye on with diplomatic vessel located at Altair. Beyond Altair a forward-base in the form of a space station and a extreme-range radar station has been established, with a squadron of missile boats on jump-point picket duty at all times.

The 1st Battle Division is in charge of defending Sol and 70 Draconis, while 2nd Red Banner Battle Division (formerly "2nd Battle Division", honorific gained after spoiler battle) is in charge of Alpha Centauri's defence with strike-force on stand-by at 81 Draconis, ready to move in and establish jump-blockade at Kapteyns Star should the diplomatic situation with the aliens deteriorate.

Both battle divisions are structured in the same manner, unit strengths may differ.

*note: onboard shuttles are not listed
Soviet Space Navy

Battle Fleet
Logistics Division
  • Colliers
  • Supply Ships
  • Tankers
  • Space Station Directorate
    • RB A-1 001 (A-1 class Resupply Base)
    • Starport 01 (Sochi class Resupply Base)
    • Starport 02 (Sochi class Resupply Base)
    • Starport 03 (Sochi class Resupply Base)
Training Division

    Aviation Cruiser Division (fleet fighter protection & army air support)
                     
    • (Kiev A class Aviation Cruiser) Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov
    • (Kiev M class Aviation Cruiser) Admiral Flota Lobov
    • (Kiev M class Aviation Cruiser) Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov
    • (Kiev M class Aviation Cruiser) Leningrad
      Cruiser Division
      • (Kirov class Missile Cruiser) Kirov
      • (Kirov class Missile Cruiser) Kalinin
      • (Slava class Cruiser) Komsomolets

      1st Battle Division
        1st Cruiser Division
                        (Kirov class Missile Cruiser) Frunze
                            (Slava class Cruiser) Chervona Ukrayina
                            (Slava class Cruiser) Slava


        1st Combat Flotilla
       
      • 1st Destroyer Squadron
                        (Sovremenny class Destroyer [under refit]) Revnostnyy
                            (Sovremenny class Destroyer [under refit]) Vrazumitelnyy
                            (Sovremenny Mod.183 class Destroyer) Bezukoriznennyy
                            (Sovremenny Mod.183 class Destroyer) Okhotnik

       
      • 1st Combat Line
                        (Kashin K class Destroyer Leader) Krasny Poitou
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Krasny Krym
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Rybinsk
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Svobodnyy

       
      • 2nd Combat Line
                        (Kashin K class Destroyer Leader) Krasny Anjou
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Resmegelnyy
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Kharkov
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Mezen

       
      • 3rd Combat Line (stationed at at 70 Opiuchi)
                        (Kildin M class Frigate Leader) Birobidzhan
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Krasny Kavkaz
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Ambarchik
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Orel


        2nd Combat Flotilla
       
      • 4th Combat Line
                        (Kildin M class Frigate Leader) Donetsk
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Soobrazitelnyy
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Krasnoyarsk
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Novokuznetsk

       
      • 5th Combat Line
                        (Kildin M class Frigate Leader) Dnepropetrovsk
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Provornyy
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Dikson
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Riga

       
      • 6th Combat Line
                        (Kildin M class Frigate Leader) Balkhash
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Obraztsovyy
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Khabarovsk
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Tomsk

       
      • 8th Combat Line
                        (Kildin M class Frigate Leader) Penzhino
                            (Kashin class Destroyer) Odarennyy
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Kishinev
                            (Kanin B class Frigate) Varonezh


        1st Missile Flotilla
       
      • 1st Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul M class Missile Boat)
      • 3rd Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul M class Missile Boat)
      • 7th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul M class Missile Boat)
      • 11th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul II class Missile Boat [under training])
        3rd Missile Flotilla (stationed at at 70 Opiuchi)
       
      • 2nd Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul M class Missile Boat)
      • 4th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul M class Missile Boat)
      • 5th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul M class Missile Boat)
      • 12th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul II class Missile Boat [under training])
        4th Missile Flotilla
       
      • 13th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul II class Missile Boat [under training])
      • 15th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul II class Missile Boat [under training])
      • 16th Missile Squadron (5 x Tarantul II class Missile Boat)


      SHIP CLASSES:

      Off-Topic: Kiev M class Aviation Cruiser • show


      Kiev M class Aviation Cruiser      50,606 tons       1,359 Crew       10,937 BP       TCS 1,012    TH 2,700    EM 0
      5335 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 8-121       Shields 0-0       HTK 333      Sensors 90/14/0/0      DCR 144      PPV 80.2
      Maint Life 4.15 Years     MSP 13,346    AFR 244%    IFR 3.4%    1YR 1,242    5YR 18,632    Max Repair 2025 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 10,500 tons     Magazine 1,364    Cryogenic Berths 200    Cargo Shuttle Multiplier 6   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 5   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   PFC   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Flight Crew Berths 210    Morale Check Required   

      9G1014 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 50700 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-2700 Fusion thruster (2)    Power 5400    Fuel Use 18.37%    Signature 1350.0    Explosion 15%
      Fuel Capacity 2,300,000 Litres    Range 44.5 billion km (96 days at full power)

      AK-476M Quad-76mm Gauss cannon turret (8x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-3230 Triple-230mm Gauss cannon turret (2x12)    Range 40,000km     TS: 12000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-40 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 12,500 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
      MR-40S Fire control (4)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 20,000 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

      OSA launch system (2)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
      S-5 Vertical-launch-system cell (10)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 85
      OSA-1M Guidance system (1)     Range 25.3m km    Resolution 1
      P-300M1 Guidance system (1)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      A-250M (1076)    Speed: 60,000 km/s    End: 1.4m     Range: 5.1m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 600/360/180
      P-300A Komet (30)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16
      Kh-23 (138)    Speed: 24,000 km/s    End: 9m     Range: 12.9m km    WH: 3    Size: 1    TH: 144/86/43

      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      MR-200E Active radar (1)     GPS 56000     Range 206.6m km    Resolution 200
      Gauntlet-2M Early warning system (2)     GPS 144     Range 25.3m km    MCR 2.3m km    Resolution 1
      EM sensor 137E1 (1)     Sensitivity 14     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  29.6m km
      IR sensor 155T5 (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  75m km

      ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

      (Fleet fighter protection mission:)
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      22x MiG-41 Fighter   Speed: 18805 km/s    Size: 8.93
      (Army close air support mission:)
      2x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      25x Su-70 Ground Support Fighter   Speed: 20991 km/s    Size: 8
      (Heavy air support & stand-off strike mission:)
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      20x Tupolev Tu-181 Strategic Bomber   Speed: 16154 km/s    Size: 9.66
      (Combined air support mission:)
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      12x MiG-41 Fighter   Speed: 18805 km/s    Size: 8.93
      11x Su-70 Ground Support Fighter   Speed: 20991 km/s    Size: 8

      Off-Topic: Kiev A class Aviation Cruiser • show


      Kiev A class Aviation Cruiser      50,630 tons       1,401 Crew       11,105.7 BP       TCS 1,013    TH 2,700    EM 0
      5332 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 8-121       Shields 0-0       HTK 348      Sensors 90/14/0/0      DCR 150      PPV 82.2
      Maint Life 4.52 Years     MSP 14,338    AFR 228%    IFR 3.2%    1YR 1,140    5YR 17,098    Max Repair 2025 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 10,500 tons     Magazine 1,466    Cryogenic Berths 200    Cargo Shuttle Multiplier 6   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 5   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   PFC   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Flight Crew Berths 210    Morale Check Required   

      9G1014 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 50700 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-2700 Fusion thruster (2)    Power 5400    Fuel Use 18.37%    Signature 1350.0    Explosion 15%
      Fuel Capacity 2,300,000 Litres    Range 44.5 billion km (96 days at full power)

      AK-476M Quad-76mm Gauss cannon turret (8x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-3230 Triple-230mm Gauss cannon turret (2x12)    Range 40,000km     TS: 12000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-40 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 12,500 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
      MR-40S Fire control (4)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 20,000 km/s     75 50 25 0 0 0 0 0 0 0

      OSA launch system (4)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
      S-5 Vertical-launch-system cell (10)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 85
      OSA-1M Guidance system (2)     Range 25.3m km    Resolution 1
      P-300M1 Guidance system (1)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      A-250M (1128)    Speed: 60,000 km/s    End: 1.4m     Range: 5.1m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 600/360/180
      P-300A Komet (40)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16
      Kh-23 (138)    Speed: 24,000 km/s    End: 9m     Range: 12.9m km    WH: 3    Size: 1    TH: 144/86/43

      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      MR-200E Active radar (1)     GPS 56000     Range 206.6m km    Resolution 200
      Gauntlet-2M Early warning system (2)     GPS 144     Range 25.3m km    MCR 2.3m km    Resolution 1
      EM sensor 137E1 (1)     Sensitivity 14     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  29.6m km
      IR sensor 155T5 (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  75m km

      ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

      (Fleet fighter protection mission:)
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      22x MiG-41 Fighter   Speed: 18805 km/s    Size: 8.93
      (Army close air support mission:)
      2x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      25x Su-70 Ground Support Fighter   Speed: 20991 km/s    Size: 8
      (Heavy air support & stand-off strike mission:)
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      20x Tupolev Tu-181 Strategic Bomber   Speed: 16154 km/s    Size: 9.66
      (Combined air support mission:)
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43
      12x MiG-41 Fighter   Speed: 18805 km/s    Size: 8.93
      11x Su-70 Ground Support Fighter   Speed: 20991 km/s    Size: 8

      Off-Topic: Kirov Class Missile Cruiser • show


      Kirov class Missile Cruiser      43,428 tons       1,479 Crew       11,767.9 BP       TCS 869    TH 2,700    EM 0
      6217 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 8-110       Shields 0-0       HTK 301      Sensors 36/14/0/0      DCR 141      PPV 162.84
      Maint Life 4.86 Years     MSP 15,118    AFR 186%    IFR 2.6%    1YR 1,057    5YR 15,853    Max Repair 2025 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 500 tons     Magazine 1,568    Cryogenic Berths 200   
      Kontr-admiral    Control Rating 5   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   FLG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Flight Crew Berths 10    Morale Check Required   

      9G870 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 43500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-2700 Fusion thruster (2)    Power 5400    Fuel Use 18.37%    Signature 1350.0    Explosion 15%
      Fuel Capacity 1,550,000 Litres    Range 35 billion km (65 days at full power)

      AK-3230 Triple-230mm Gauss cannon turret (2x12)    Range 40,000km     TS: 12000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-457M1 Quad-57mm gauss cannon turret (8x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-630M (4x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25,000 km/s     ROF 5       
      MR-41 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   
      MR-40 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 12,500 km/s   

      S-5M Vertical-launch-system cell (40)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 60
      OSA-M launch system (6)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 5
      P-300M1 Guidance system (3)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      OSA-1M Guidance system (2)     Range 25.3m km    Resolution 1
      P-300A Komet (150)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16
      A-250M (818)    Speed: 60,000 km/s    End: 1.4m     Range: 5.1m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 600/360/180

      Don-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 720     Range 56.6m km    MCR 5.1m km    Resolution 1
      Gauntlet-2M Early warning system (1)     GPS 144     Range 25.3m km    MCR 2.3m km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      MR-314 Active radar (1)     GPS 129600     Range 314.3m km    Resolution 200
      EM sensor 137E1 (1)     Sensitivity 14     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  29.6m km
      IR sensor 155T2 (1)     Sensitivity 36     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  47.4m km

      ECCM-2 (2)         ECM 20

      Strike Group
      2x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43

      Off-Topic: Slava Class Cruiser • show


      Slava class Cruiser      39,000 tons       1,355 Crew       10,124 BP       TCS 780    TH 2,700    EM 0
      6923 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 7-102       Shields 0-0       HTK 353      Sensors 36/56/0/0      DCR 134      PPV 156.16
      Maint Life 4.78 Years     MSP 13,206    AFR 164%    IFR 2.3%    1YR 949    5YR 14,230    Max Repair 2025 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 250 tons     Magazine 1,012    Cryogenic Berths 200   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 5   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   FLG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Flight Crew Berths 5    Morale Check Required   

      10G780 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 39000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-2700 Fusion thruster (2)    Power 5400    Fuel Use 18.37%    Signature 1350.0    Explosion 15%
      Fuel Capacity 1,550,000 Litres    Range 38.9 billion km (65 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-114 250mm Railgun (2x4)    Range 300,000km     TS: 8,000 km/s     Power 15-4     RM 60,000 km    ROF 20       
      AK-4125M1 Quad-125mm gauss cannon turret (8x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-3230 Triple-230mm Gauss cannon turret (4x12)    Range 40,000km     TS: 12000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-320 Railgun fire control (1)     Max Range: 320,000 km   TS: 7,500 km/s   
      MR-41 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   
      MR-40 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 12,500 km/s   
      RBMF-9 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 9    Exp 20%

      S-5M Vertical-launch-system cell (20)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 60
      OSA-M launch system (4)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 5
      P-300M1 Guidance system (2)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      OSA-1M Guidance system (2)     Range 25.3m km    Resolution 1
      A-250M (812)    Speed: 60,000 km/s    End: 1.4m     Range: 5.1m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 600/360/180
      P-300A Komet (40)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16

      MR-200ME Active radar (1)     GPS 72000     Range 234.2m km    Resolution 200
      Gauntlet-2M Early warning system (1)     GPS 144     Range 25.3m km    MCR 2.3m km    Resolution 1
      Perimetr-1M-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 36     Range 12.7m km    MCR 1.1m km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      EM sensor 137E4 (1)     Sensitivity 56     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  59.2m km
      IR sensor 155T2 (1)     Sensitivity 36     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  47.4m km

      ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

      Strike Group
      1x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43

      Off-Topic: Kashin K class Destroyer Leader • show


      Kashin K class Destroyer Leader      16,489 tons       535 Crew       4,013 BP       TCS 330    TH 1,040    EM 0
      6307 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 6-57       Shields 0-0       HTK 131      Sensors 11/55/0/0      DCR 15      PPV 84.23
      Maint Life 4.63 Years     MSP 2,781    AFR 145%    IFR 2.0%    1YR 211    5YR 3,167    Max Repair 390 MSP
      Magazine 200   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   FLG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 7 months    Morale Check Required   

      9G330 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 16500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-520 Fusion thruster (4)    Power 2080    Fuel Use 34.06%    Signature 260.0    Explosion 13%
      Fuel Capacity 900,000 Litres    Range 28.8 billion km (52 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-109 155mm Railgun (1)    Range 120,000km     TS: 8,000 km/s     Power 2-4     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-476 Gauss cannon turret (4x16)    Range 30,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-2125 Gauss cannon turret (2x8)    Range 30,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-192 Railgun fire control (1)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 9,200 km/s   
      MR-32 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 32,000 km   TS: 16,000 km/s   
      RBMF-9 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 9    Exp 20%

      S-5 Vertical-launch-system cell (20)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 85
      P-300 Guidance system (2)     Range 83.5m km    Resolution 100
      P-338 Basalt (40)    Speed: 24,880 km/s    End: 107m     Range: 161.2m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 82/49/24

      Nav. Radar M2097 (1)     GPS 2100     Range 39.8m km    Resolution 100
      MR-200 Active radar (1)     GPS 69300     Range 200.5m km    Resolution 220
      Gauntlet-1 Early warning system (2)     GPS 42     Range 12.1m km    MCR 1.1m km    Resolution 1
      IR sensor 97T1 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  26.2m km
      EM sensor 97E5 (1)     Sensitivity 55     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  58.6m km

      Off-Topic: Kildin M class Frigate Leader • show


      Kildin M class Frigate Leader      10,704 tons       372 Crew       3,549.5 BP       TCS 214    TH 209    EM 0
      6096 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 4-43       Shields 0-0       HTK 73      Sensors 18/14/0/0      DCR 48      PPV 51.84
      Maint Life 4.59 Years     MSP 2,161    AFR 108%    IFR 1.5%    1YR 167    5YR 2,505    Max Repair 489.375 MSP
      Magazine 100    Cryogenic Berths 200   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 3   BRG   ENG   FLG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Morale Check Required   

      9G222 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 11100 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-435 Fusion thruster (3)    Power 1305    Fuel Use 41.34%    Signature 69.60    Explosion 14%
      Fuel Capacity 800,000 Litres    Range 32.5 billion km (61 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-109M1 155mm Railgun (1x4)    Range 180,000km     TS: 8,000 km/s     Power 9-5     RM 60,000 km    ROF 10       
      AK-476M1 Quad-76mm gauss cannon turret (4x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-41 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   
      MR-192 Railgun fire control (1)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 9,200 km/s   
      FSR-5 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 5.1    Exp 40%

      S-5M Vertical-launch-system cell (10)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 60
      P-300M1 Guidance system (1)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      P-300A Komet (20)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16

      MR-200ME Active radar (1)     GPS 72000     Range 234.2m km    Resolution 200
      Gauntlet-1M-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 72     Range 17.9m km    MCR 1.6m km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      IR sensor 155T1 (1)     Sensitivity 18     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  33.5m km
      EM sensor 137E1 (1)     Sensitivity 14     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  29.6m km

      Compact ECCM-1 (1)         ECM 10

      Off-Topic: Kashin class Destroyer • show


      Kashin class Destroyer      16,461 tons       528 Crew       3,969.3 BP       TCS 329    TH 1,040    EM 0
      6318 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 6-57       Shields 0-0       HTK 131      Sensors 11/55/0/0      DCR 16      PPV 86.18
      Maint Life 4.98 Years     MSP 2,911    AFR 135%    IFR 1.9%    1YR 195    5YR 2,927    Max Repair 390 MSP
      Magazine 200   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 3   BRG   AUX   ENG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 7 months    Morale Check Required   

      9G330 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 16500 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-520 Fusion thruster (4)    Power 2080    Fuel Use 34.06%    Signature 260.0    Explosion 13%
      Fuel Capacity 900,000 Litres    Range 28.9 billion km (52 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-109 155mm Railgun (2)    Range 120,000km     TS: 8,000 km/s     Power 2-4     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-476 Gauss cannon turret (4x16)    Range 30,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-2125 Gauss cannon turret (2x8)    Range 30,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 30,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-192 Railgun fire control (2)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 9,200 km/s   
      MR-32 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 32,000 km   TS: 16,000 km/s   
      RBMF-9 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 9    Exp 20%

      S-5 Vertical-launch-system cell (20)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 85
      P-300 Guidance system (2)     Range 83.5m km    Resolution 100
      P-338 Basalt (40)    Speed: 24,880 km/s    End: 107m     Range: 161.2m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 82/49/24

      Nav. Radar M2097 (1)     GPS 2100     Range 39.8m km    Resolution 100
      MR-200 Active radar (1)     GPS 69300     Range 200.5m km    Resolution 220
      Gauntlet-1 Early warning system (2)     GPS 42     Range 12.1m km    MCR 1.1m km    Resolution 1
      IR sensor 97T1 (1)     Sensitivity 11     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  26.2m km
      EM sensor 97E5 (1)     Sensitivity 55     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  58.6m km

      Off-Topic: Sovremenny class Destroyer • show


      Sovremenny class Destroyer      25,189 tons       760 Crew       7,322.1 BP       TCS 504    TH 499    EM 0
      6193 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 6-76       Shields 0-0       HTK 176      Sensors 90/56/0/0      DCR 61      PPV 102.48
      Maint Life 3.66 Years     MSP 4,215    AFR 242%    IFR 3.4%    1YR 488    5YR 7,322    Max Repair 585 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 250 tons     Magazine 1,012   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Flight Crew Berths 5    Morale Check Required   

      9G504 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 25200 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-520M Fusion thruster (6)    Power 3120    Fuel Use 27.25%    Signature 83.20    Explosion 13%
      Fuel Capacity 1,250,000 Litres    Range 32.8 billion km (61 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-110 155mm Railgun (2x4)    Range 150,000km     TS: 8,000 km/s     Power 9-4     RM 50,000 km    ROF 15       
      AK-2154 Twin-125mm gauss cannon turret (4x8)    Range 40,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-457M1 Quad-57mm gauss cannon turret (4x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-630 (2x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 20,000 km/s     ROF 5       
      MR-40S Fire control (2)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 20,000 km/s   
      MR-160 Railgun fire control (1)     Max Range: 160,000 km   TS: 6,000 km/s   
      MR-40 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 12,500 km/s   
      RBMF-9 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 9    Exp 20%

      OSA launch system (4)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
      S-5 Vertical-launch-system cell (20)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 85
      OSA-1 Guidance system (2)     Range 22.3m km    Resolution 1
      P-300M1 Guidance system (2)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      A-250M (812)    Speed: 60,000 km/s    End: 1.4m     Range: 5.1m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 600/360/180
      P-300A Komet (40)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16

      MR-200ME Active radar (1)     GPS 72000     Range 234.2m km    Resolution 200
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      Gauntlet-1M-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 72     Range 17.9m km    MCR 1.6m km    Resolution 1
      IR sensor 155T5 (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  75m km
      EM sensor 137E4 (1)     Sensitivity 56     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  59.2m km

      ECCM-2 (1)         ECM 20

      Strike Group
      1x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43

      Off-Topic: Sovremenny Mod.183 class Destroyer • show


      Sovremenny Mod.183 class Destroyer      25,021 tons       764 Crew       8,568.7 BP       TCS 500    TH 648    EM 0
      8093 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 6-76       Shields 0-0       HTK 176      Sensors 90/72/0/0      DCR 62      PPV 102.48
      Maint Life 3.83 Years     MSP 5,108    AFR 228%    IFR 3.2%    1YR 547    5YR 8,204    Max Repair 759.375 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 250 tons     Magazine 1,012   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 4   BRG   AUX   ENG   CIC   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Flight Crew Berths 5    Morale Check Required   

      10G502 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 25100 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RMO-1T675BM Fusion thruster (6)    Power 4050    Fuel Use 29.95%    Signature 108.00    Explosion 13%
      Fuel Capacity 1,250,000 Litres    Range 30 billion km (42 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-109M1 155mm Railgun (2x4)    Range 180,000km     TS: 8,093 km/s     Power 9-5     RM 60,000 km    ROF 10       
      AK-2154 Twin-125mm gauss cannon turret (4x8)    Range 40,000km     TS: 16000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-457M1 Quad-57mm gauss cannon turret (4x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-630M (2x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 25,000 km/s     ROF 5       
      MR-41 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   
      MR-180 Railgun fire control (1)     Max Range: 180,000 km   TS: 9,062 km/s   
      MR-40 Fire control (2)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 12,500 km/s   
      RBMF-10 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 10.1    Exp 40%

      OSA launch system (4)     Missile Size: 1    Rate of Fire 10
      S-5 Vertical-launch-system cell (20)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 85
      OSA-1M Guidance system (2)     Range 25.3m km    Resolution 1
      P-338 Basalt guidance system (2)     Range 162.1m km    Resolution 100
      P-338 Basalt (40)    Speed: 24,880 km/s    End: 107m     Range: 161.2m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 82/49/24
      A-255 (812)    Speed: 75,000 km/s    End: 3.3m     Range: 14.8m km    WH: 1    Size: 1    TH: 825/495/247

      MR-265 Active radar (1)     GPS 72000     Range 265.6m km    Resolution 200
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      Gauntlet-1M-2 Early warning system (1)     GPS 72     Range 20.3m km    MCR 1.8m km    Resolution 1
      Perimetr-1M-2 Early warning system (1)     GPS 36     Range 14.4m km    MCR 1.3m km    Resolution 1
      IR sensor 155T5 (1)     Sensitivity 90     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  75m km
      EM sensor 183E4 (1)     Sensitivity 72     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  67.1m km

      ECCM-2 (2)         ECM 20

      Strike Group
      1x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43

      Off-Topic: Kanin B class Frigate • show


      Kanin B class Frigate      10,730 tons       359 Crew       3,511.6 BP       TCS 215    TH 209    EM 0
      6081 km/s    JR 3-50      Armour 4-43       Shields 0-0       HTK 69      Sensors 18/56/0/0      DCR 48      PPV 49.74
      Maint Life 4.41 Years     MSP 2,136    AFR 115%    IFR 1.6%    1YR 177    5YR 2,660    Max Repair 489.375 MSP
      Magazine 100    Cryogenic Berths 200   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 2   BRG   ENG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 8 months    Morale Check Required   

      8G220 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 11000 tons    Distance 50k km     Squadron Size 3

      KBKhA RBM-435 Fusion thruster (3)    Power 1305    Fuel Use 41.34%    Signature 69.60    Explosion 14%
      Fuel Capacity 800,000 Litres    Range 32.5 billion km (61 days at full power)

      M-ZAK A-109R 155mm Railgun (2)    Range 180,000km     TS: 8,000 km/s     Power 2-5     RM 60,000 km    ROF 5       
      AK-476M1 Quad-76mm gauss cannon turret (4x16)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-41 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   
      MR-192 Railgun fire control (2)     Max Range: 192,000 km   TS: 9,200 km/s   
      RBMF-10 Fusion Reactor (1)     Total Power Output 10.1    Exp 40%

      S-5M Vertical-launch-system cell (10)     Missile Size: 5    Rate of Fire 60
      P-300M1 Guidance system (1)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      P-300A Komet (20)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16

      MR-200ME Active radar (1)     GPS 72000     Range 234.2m km    Resolution 200
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      Gauntlet-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 42     Range 12.1m km    MCR 1.1m km    Resolution 1
      IR sensor 155T1 (1)     Sensitivity 18     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  33.5m km
      EM sensor 137E4 (1)     Sensitivity 56     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  59.2m km

      Compact ECCM-1 (1)         ECM 10

      Off-Topic: Tarantul M class Missile Boat • show


      Tarantul M class Missile Boat      4,424 tons       137 Crew       1,845.3 BP       TCS 88    TH 130    EM 0
      9155 km/s    JR 1-500      Armour 1-24       Shields 0-0       HTK 36      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 24      PPV 13.22
      Maint Life 4.88 Years     MSP 1,167    AFR 39%    IFR 0.5%    1YR 81    5YR 1,217    Max Repair 455.625 MSP
      Magazine 50   
      Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 1   BRG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Morale Check Required   

      9G90 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 4500 tons    Distance 500k km     Squadron Size 1

      KBKhA RBM-405M-1 Fusion thruster (2)    Power 810    Fuel Use 34.58%    Signature 64.80    Explosion 13%
      Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 29.4 billion km (37 days at full power)

      AK-257M Twin-57mm Gauss cannon turret (4x8)    Range 40,000km     TS: 20000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-40S Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 20,000 km/s   

      S-5 Vertical-launch-system (10)     Missile Size: 5    Hangar Reload 111 minutes    MF Reload 18 hours
      P-300M1 Guidance system (1)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      P-300A Komet (10)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16

      MR-185 Active radar (1)     GPS 36000     Range 185.9m km    Resolution 100
      Gauntlet-1M-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 72     Range 17.9m km    MCR 1.6m km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100

      ECM 10

      Off-Topic: Tarantul A class Missile Boat • show


      Tarantul A class Missile Boat      4,389 tons       137 Crew       1,852.4 BP       TCS 88    TH 130    EM 0
      9227 km/s    JR 1-500      Armour 1-23       Shields 0-0       HTK 28      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 24      PPV 12.94
      Maint Life 4.95 Years     MSP 1,180    AFR 39%    IFR 0.5%    1YR 80    5YR 1,198    Max Repair 455.625 MSP
      Magazine 50   
      Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 1   BRG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 3 months    Morale Check Required   

      9G90 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 4500 tons    Distance 500k km     Squadron Size 1

      KBKhA RBM-405M-1 Fusion thruster (2)    Power 810    Fuel Use 34.58%    Signature 64.80    Explosion 13%
      Fuel Capacity 250,000 Litres    Range 29.6 billion km (37 days at full power)

      AK-257M1 Twin-57mm gauss cannon turret (4x8)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-41 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   

      S-5 Vertical-launch-system (10)     Missile Size: 5    Hangar Reload 111 minutes    MF Reload 18 hours
      P-300M1 Guidance system (1)     Range 146.6m km    Resolution 100
      P-300A Komet (10)    Speed: 16,800 km/s    End: 137.9m     Range: 141.4m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 56/33/16

      MR-185 Active radar (1)     GPS 36000     Range 185.9m km    Resolution 100
      Gauntlet-1M-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 72     Range 17.9m km    MCR 1.6m km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100

      ECM 10


      Off-Topic: Tarantul II class missile boat • show


      Tarantul II class Missile Boat      4,494 tons       144 Crew       2,326.7 BP       TCS 90    TH 192    EM 0
      13353 km/s    JR 1-750      Armour 1-24       Shields 0-0       HTK 28      Sensors 18/0/0/0      DCR 24      PPV 12.94
      Maint Life 4.51 Years     MSP 1,394    AFR 40%    IFR 0.6%    1YR 111    5YR 1,665    Max Repair 675 MSP
      Magazine 50   
      Kapitan vtorogo ranga    Control Rating 1   BRG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 4 months    Morale Check Required   

      10G90 FTL drive     Max Ship Size 4500 tons    Distance 750k km     Squadron Size 1

      KBKhA RMO-600BM Fusion thruster (2)    Power 1200    Fuel Use 52.88%    Signature 96.00    Explosion 16%
      Fuel Capacity 350,000 Litres    Range 26.5 billion km (22 days at full power)

      AK-257M1 Twin-57mm gauss cannon turret (4x8)    Range 40,000km     TS: 25000 km/s     Power 0-0     RM 40,000 km    ROF 5       
      MR-41 Fire control (1)     Max Range: 40,000 km   TS: 25,000 km/s   

      S-5 Vertical-launch-system (10)     Missile Size: 5    Hangar Reload 111 minutes    MF Reload 18 hours
      P-338 Basalt guidance system (1)     Range 162.1m km    Resolution 100
      P-338 Basalt (10)    Speed: 24,880 km/s    End: 107m     Range: 161.2m km    WH: 0    Size: 5    TH: 82/49/24

      MR-185 Active radar (1)     GPS 36000     Range 185.9m km    Resolution 100
      Gauntlet-1M-1 Early warning system (1)     GPS 72     Range 17.9m km    MCR 1.6m km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2154 (1)     GPS 3600     Range 58.8m km    Resolution 100
      IR sensor 155T1 (1)     Sensitivity 18     Detect Sig Strength 1000:  33.5m km

      ECM 10

      Off-Topic: Sochi class resupply base • show


      Sochi class Resupply Base      184,746 tons       720 Crew       7,691.3 BP       TCS 3,695    TH 0    EM 0
      1 km/s      Armour 6-288       Shields 0-0       HTK 156      Sensors 0/0/0/0      DCR 33      PPV 0
      MSP 25,078    Max Repair 2400 MSP
      Hangar Deck Capacity 2,000 tons     Cryogenic Berths 1,000    Cargo Shuttle Multiplier 12   
      Kapitan pervogo ranga    Control Rating 2   BRG   ENG   
      Intended Deployment Time: 12 months    Flight Crew Berths 40   
      Maintenance Modules: 10 module(s) capable of supporting ships of 50,000 tons
      Refuelling Hub - Capable of refuelling multiple ships simultaneously

      Fuel Capacity 10,000,000 Litres    Range N/A

      AK-230M (8x8)    Range 1000 km     TS: 16,000 km/s     ROF 5       
      Perimetr-1M Early warning system (2)     GPS 21     Range 8.6m km    MCR 771.7k km    Resolution 1
      Nav. Radar M2097 (1)     GPS 2100     Range 39.8m km    Resolution 100

      Strike Group
      3x Ka-278 Shuttle   Speed: 17713 km/s    Size: 4.43

      This design is classed as a Commercial Vessel for maintenance purposes




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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #1 on: June 28, 2021, 04:49:46 AM »
      The Russian then Soviet navies and the modern Russian navy all had their fleet structure decided more by Geography than any other navy. The Northern, Baltic , Black Sea and Pacific fleets pretty much all had to be seperate entities as they had trouble sharing ships even in peace time and in wartime could not cooperate. That does not effect Aurora though.
      I have a book on Soviet organisation but I cannot find it so this is from memory, if it turns up though I will see what it has on the organisation within the area fleets.

      The Amphibious forces in the Northern and Baltic fleets were certainly subordinate to the navy rather then the army and I believe the initial assault troops were Naval Infantry under fleet rather than army command , although any follow on forces would have been drawn from an army division.

      I also believe that adminstrativly there were destroyer/cruiser/tanker squadrons like most navies for operation use ships were assigned to mixed organisations built around the mission and command ship, tankers, tugs etc would have been assigned based on the mission. Northern fleet operations in the Atlantic would always have logistics ships and tugs as would a meditteranean deployment but the Baltic and Black sea fleets would have little or no logistic support because they were always near their base. The Tugs were because the Soviets and Russians had almost no freindly bases in the Atlantic area so wanted to make sure any ship with a problem could be returned to the Soviet Union rather than having to limp into a NATO port and be embarrassed.
       
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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #2 on: June 28, 2021, 05:14:20 AM »
      The Russian then Soviet navies and the modern Russian navy all had their fleet structure decided more by Geography than any other navy. The Northern, Baltic , Black Sea and Pacific fleets pretty much all had to be seperate entities as they had trouble sharing ships even in peace time and in wartime could not cooperate. That does not effect Aurora though.
      I have a book on Soviet organisation but I cannot find it so this is from memory, if it turns up though I will see what it has on the organisation within the area fleets.

      The Amphibious forces in the Northern and Baltic fleets were certainly subordinate to the navy rather then the army and I believe the initial assault troops were Naval Infantry under fleet rather than army command , although any follow on forces would have been drawn from an army division.

      I also believe that adminstrativly there were destroyer/cruiser/tanker squadrons like most navies for operation use ships were assigned to mixed organisations built around the mission and command ship, tankers, tugs etc would have been assigned based on the mission. Northern fleet operations in the Atlantic would always have logistics ships and tugs as would a meditteranean deployment but the Baltic and Black sea fleets would have little or no logistic support because they were always near their base. The Tugs were because the Soviets and Russians had almost no freindly bases in the Atlantic area so wanted to make sure any ship with a problem could be returned to the Soviet Union rather than having to limp into a NATO port and be embarrassed.
      Thanks for clarifying things a bit, if you can look up that book it'd be fantastic.
      Wikipedia doesn't help much and it's been difficult figuring out why other groups are "missile ship brigade" and others are "surface ship brigade" and how to translate those into Aurora, or how to organize them.
       

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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #3 on: June 28, 2021, 09:28:35 AM »
      This may be useful it is the US Navy report on the USSR Navy in 1943. Of course the Soviet navy was not well developed then but some of it will carry over
      https://allworldwars.com/USSR-Navy-1943-Part-I.html
       
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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #4 on: June 29, 2021, 01:16:01 PM »
      So, this is what I was able to pull up in my info;

      Administratively, the Soviet Navy of the 1980's broke up their combat arms into;
      -Underwater
      -Surface
      -Naval Aviation
      -Coastal Forces (including coastal missiles)
      -Marines

      The Soviet Navy did have ships included as part of the auxiliary fleet and special units, but these were assigned to commands as needed, usually by fleet region (Baltic, Northern, Pacific, ect)

      Operationally, the Navy was divided into regionally commands;
      - Soviet Baltic Fleet
      - Soviet Northern Fleet
      - Soviet Pacific Fleet
      - Soviet Black Sea Fleet
      - Soviet Caspian Flotilla

      Marski, I think this might help your group classification;

      Ships and subs were classed by function;
      attack submarines (primary torpedo armed, Anti-submarine)
      missile submarines (primary missile armed, anti-ship role)
      ballistic submarines (nuclear armed missiles)

      guided missile ships (these were any offensive vessel armed primarily with long rang anti-ship missiles)
      surface ships (primarily fleet defense, but also general purpose ships, but anti-aircraft missile armed ships fell into this as well)
      naval aviation ships
      Anti-submarine ships
      guard ships (escort and coastal defense and patrol ships)

      In actual operational use, the Soviet Navy would assign ship types based on their role to an operations area. So, if the Pacific fleet need ASW ships, Soviet Naval command would assign ships accordingly, based on their current operational classification. The regional fleet command would then assign the ships duties as they saw fit. The only exception to this were the ballistic missile submarines, which were under the control of the central naval command, due to their role as strategic nuclear weapons platforms.

      So, the confusing thing about the Soviet Navy is that ship classification was completely dependent on role/armament. As ships were modified/rebuilt over the years, their designation changed.

      For example, the Type 61 Kashins were originally commissioned as guard ships. They were later modified and reclassed as ASW ships, and then modified again and reclassed as guided missile ships. The same thing happened with the Type 57 Kanin, originally commissioned as guided missile ships, they were later modified and reclassed as a surface ship when they moved to a general purpose role. Other navies classed both these ships as destroyers.

      Another example would be the Project 1135 Burevestnik (Nato: Krivak) ships. They were originally designed as guard ships, changed and commissioned to be ASW ships, rebuilt as guided missile ships. 8 of them were also built and assigned to the KGB Maritime border guards and classed as guard ships. Other navies classed these ships as frigates.

      So, its a bit messy and confusing. If you really want to sprain your brain, here is fairly good summary of the Soviet ship classification;

      https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ship-designations.htm

      Marski, if your looking for a fast rule, the Soviet tradition would class ships based on armament/intended role and what the rough size of the ship was. In Aurora, it would look something like this with the existing ship classes.

      So, if the ship was using anti-ship missiles, and its roughly destroyer sized = Guided missile destroyer (DDG)
      A generic railgun armed frigate would be a kinetic frigate (FK) while a frigate used for scouting would be a scout frigate (SF), and a missile frigate (FFG)

      If you wanted something more accurate, it would require some custom ship classes to be added.

      Hope that helps!
       
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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #5 on: June 30, 2021, 02:57:48 PM »
      So, this is what I was able to pull up in my info;

      Administratively, the Soviet Navy of the 1980's broke up their combat arms into;
      -Underwater
      -Surface
      -Naval Aviation
      -Coastal Forces (including coastal missiles)
      -Marines

      The Soviet Navy did have ships included as part of the auxiliary fleet and special units, but these were assigned to commands as needed, usually by fleet region (Baltic, Northern, Pacific, ect)

      Operationally, the Navy was divided into regionally commands;
      - Soviet Baltic Fleet
      - Soviet Northern Fleet
      - Soviet Pacific Fleet
      - Soviet Black Sea Fleet
      - Soviet Caspian Flotilla

      Marski, I think this might help your group classification;

      Ships and subs were classed by function;
      attack submarines (primary torpedo armed, Anti-submarine)
      missile submarines (primary missile armed, anti-ship role)
      ballistic submarines (nuclear armed missiles)

      guided missile ships (these were any offensive vessel armed primarily with long rang anti-ship missiles)
      surface ships (primarily fleet defense, but also general purpose ships, but anti-aircraft missile armed ships fell into this as well)
      naval aviation ships
      Anti-submarine ships
      guard ships (escort and coastal defense and patrol ships)

      In actual operational use, the Soviet Navy would assign ship types based on their role to an operations area. So, if the Pacific fleet need ASW ships, Soviet Naval command would assign ships accordingly, based on their current operational classification. The regional fleet command would then assign the ships duties as they saw fit. The only exception to this were the ballistic missile submarines, which were under the control of the central naval command, due to their role as strategic nuclear weapons platforms.

      So, the confusing thing about the Soviet Navy is that ship classification was completely dependent on role/armament. As ships were modified/rebuilt over the years, their designation changed.

      For example, the Type 61 Kashins were originally commissioned as guard ships. They were later modified and reclassed as ASW ships, and then modified again and reclassed as guided missile ships. The same thing happened with the Type 57 Kanin, originally commissioned as guided missile ships, they were later modified and reclassed as a surface ship when they moved to a general purpose role. Other navies classed both these ships as destroyers.

      Another example would be the Project 1135 Burevestnik (Nato: Krivak) ships. They were originally designed as guard ships, changed and commissioned to be ASW ships, rebuilt as guided missile ships. 8 of them were also built and assigned to the KGB Maritime border guards and classed as guard ships. Other navies classed these ships as frigates.

      So, its a bit messy and confusing. If you really want to sprain your brain, here is fairly good summary of the Soviet ship classification;

      https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ship-designations.htm

      Marski, if your looking for a fast rule, the Soviet tradition would class ships based on armament/intended role and what the rough size of the ship was. In Aurora, it would look something like this with the existing ship classes.

      So, if the ship was using anti-ship missiles, and its roughly destroyer sized = Guided missile destroyer (DDG)
      A generic railgun armed frigate would be a kinetic frigate (FK) while a frigate used for scouting would be a scout frigate (SF), and a missile frigate (FFG)

      If you wanted something more accurate, it would require some custom ship classes to be added.

      Hope that helps!

      Neat, thanks a bunch.
      So according to this, the admin command structure of the fleets would go like this;
      Soviet Space Navy
      -Soviet Space Fleet
      --[any logistic ships]
      --Missile Ship Brigade (missile boats)
      --Guided Missile Brigade (frigates, destroyers and cruisers however needed)
       

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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #6 on: July 01, 2021, 09:49:33 AM »
      Thats pretty much correct.

      The Soviets, much like the Americans, would then assign ship brigades to tactical units as needed, like so;

      Soviet Space Navy
      -Alpha Centauri Fleet
      --Auxiliary naval ships
      ---Freighter brigade (6 medium freighters)
      ---Terraformer brigade (5 terraformer ships)
      --Naval ships (unassigned naval ships)
      --1st Operational Group
      ---Naval Aviation brigade (2 cruisers)
      ---Ship brigade (2 escort cruisers)
      ---Missile ship brigade (4 missile destroyers)
      ---Missile ship brigade (4 missile frigates)
      ---Ship brigade (4 kinetic frigates)
       
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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #7 on: August 29, 2021, 02:48:07 AM »
      Thats pretty much correct.

      The Soviets, much like the Americans, would then assign ship brigades to tactical units as needed, like so;

      Soviet Space Navy
      -Alpha Centauri Fleet
      --Auxiliary naval ships
      ---Freighter brigade (6 medium freighters)
      ---Terraformer brigade (5 terraformer ships)
      --Naval ships (unassigned naval ships)
      --1st Operational Group
      ---Naval Aviation brigade (2 cruisers)
      ---Ship brigade (2 escort cruisers)
      ---Missile ship brigade (4 missile destroyers)
      ---Missile ship brigade (4 missile frigates)
      ---Ship brigade (4 kinetic frigates)
      I tried my best, I have a lot of ships.


      Please give suggestions
      « Last Edit: August 29, 2021, 02:55:11 AM by Marski »
       

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      Re: Organizing the military arm of the navy
      « Reply #8 on: August 29, 2021, 04:35:06 PM »
      I think you got it. And yes, thats a lot of ships!  :)