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Posted by: Summercat
« on: November 27, 2006, 11:31:39 AM »

Quote from: "kdstubbs"
Hello, been away for the holidays have only just gotten to this post.  On the subject of the Mongols, you might want to reassess them.  The standard Mongol Army was organized into a decimal system, nine men and a commander, at every echelon all the way to the Tumen.  The troops were equipped with Mail Armor, over silk undershirts--to allow anyone hit by an arrow to have the arrow removed by gently tugging on the uncut silk tunic.  The horsemen had four horses per man, trained to run with the lead horse.  The armaments were a mix of weapons:  Long Range Bow, Short Range Bow, Sabre, and lance.  The arrows used included incendiary, armor piercing, signal, smoke, and even explosive.  The Mongols employed extremely sophisticated operational scale tactics--based on the great hunt.  

The great hunt was organized on a baseline of over 150 kilometers wide, the entire Mongol Army participating.  They would drive forward en mass, to trap every animal on the Steppes, encircling them and then killing all trapped predators at the end of the hunt--arranged for at a specific location.  The entire army was controlled by a series of Arrow riders.  

When Genghis Khan hit China, he had 100,000 troops, he conquered China, adopted their siege warfare technologies, and then used it to wipe out the Moslem Central Asian Empires.  His sons extended his empire to Russia and Poland, and Hungary, reaching the Adriatic at one point.  Later the Mongols invided the Abbasid Dynasty and wiped out the city of Baghdad, only being stopped by the Mamluk Army of Eqypt.  Later the Mongol Lords of Persia--the Ilkan Dynasty, moved east into India establishing the Mugal Dynasty.  

They had Chinese and Persian Engineers with them at Kiev, when the took that city of a quarter million in five days.  They killed everyone in the city.  

I think you would find a true mongol empire with high technology very formidable

Kevin


The Mongols were the first people to really understand that the best doctrine for war is "Above all else, Mobility." Also organized a damned good army. They were stopped only because of their internal issues.

By the way, you're wrong. HAH! They didn't kill EVERYONE at Kiev! They left the commander of the garrison alive >.>;
Posted by: kdstubbs
« on: November 27, 2006, 10:15:55 AM »

Hello, been away for the holidays have only just gotten to this post.  On the subject of the Mongols, you might want to reassess them.  The standard Mongol Army was organized into a decimal system, nine men and a commander, at every echelon all the way to the Tumen.  The troops were equipped with Mail Armor, over silk undershirts--to allow anyone hit by an arrow to have the arrow removed by gently tugging on the uncut silk tunic.  The horsemen had four horses per man, trained to run with the lead horse.  The armaments were a mix of weapons:  Long Range Bow, Short Range Bow, Sabre, and lance.  The arrows used included incendiary, armor piercing, signal, smoke, and even explosive.  The Mongols employed extremely sophisticated operational scale tactics--based on the great hunt.  

The great hunt was organized on a baseline of over 150 kilometers wide, the entire Mongol Army participating.  They would drive forward en mass, to trap every animal on the Steppes, encircling them and then killing all trapped predators at the end of the hunt--arranged for at a specific location.  The entire army was controlled by a series of Arrow riders.  

When Genghis Khan hit China, he had 100,000 troops, he conquered China, adopted their siege warfare technologies, and then used it to wipe out the Moslem Central Asian Empires.  His sons extended his empire to Russia and Poland, and Hungary, reaching the Adriatic at one point.  Later the Mongols invided the Abbasid Dynasty and wiped out the city of Baghdad, only being stopped by the Mamluk Army of Eqypt.  Later the Mongol Lords of Persia--the Ilkan Dynasty, moved east into India establishing the Mugal Dynasty.  

They had Chinese and Persian Engineers with them at Kiev, when the took that city of a quarter million in five days.  They killed everyone in the city.  

I think you would find a true mongol empire with high technology very formidable

Kevin
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: November 26, 2006, 07:06:27 AM »

Quote from: "TrueZuluwiz"
If for some reason the Spanish Inquisition were added, (and I am expecting it to happen) then we would at least know what they would be using for weapons, right? (Fear, surprise, etc.)

Don't forget ruthless efficiency and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.

Steve
Posted by: TrueZuluwiz
« on: November 25, 2006, 07:31:52 AM »

If for some reason the Spanish Inquisition were added, (and I am expecting it to happen) then we would at least know what they would be using for weapons, right? (Fear, surprise, etc.)
Posted by: miketr
« on: November 23, 2006, 10:55:11 PM »

Hey Steve...  I have a suggestion if I may.  Dump the ####'s they have no redeaming qualities, sure you have your GFFP race but, eh they suck.

Instead either go for the 2nd Reich (IE German Empire under Kaiser Wilhelm II or perhaps Wilhelm I and Bismarck as chancellor).  Or the Holy Roman Empire, perhaps with some member of the Hohenstaufen dynasty in control like Henry VI with super science I doubt he dies young...  :)

Looking forward to the stories.

Michael
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: November 23, 2006, 03:31:03 PM »

Quote from: "TrueZuluwiz"
So you expect to see a lot of races that are not spacegoing and prime for raiding and conquest?

I don't think the Mongols or Vikings will restrict themselves to non-spacegoing races. Speaking of which, I haven't added low tech races yet because they were always more of a hindrance in Starfire than anything else. I would be happy to have them however if a useful role could be found for them. Slave Labour is one thing that comes to mind, depending on the government type of the conqueror.

Steve
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: November 23, 2006, 03:28:38 PM »

Quote from: "Randy"
And what about the Spanish??  We gotta have the Spanish Inquisition!!

They would make an interesting addition :)

Steve
Posted by: Randy
« on: November 23, 2006, 02:53:44 PM »

And what about the Spanish??  We gotta have the Spanish Inquisition!!
Posted by: TrueZuluwiz
« on: November 23, 2006, 01:42:27 PM »

So you expect to see a lot of races that are not spacegoing and prime for raiding and conquest?
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: November 23, 2006, 10:48:12 AM »

Quote from: "TrueZuluwiz"
What sort of differences will we see in these Empire's Fleets? The Mongols, for instance, are likely to build a swarm of small ships and attempt to bury their opponents with numbers. The Romans would call their ships galleys and concentrate on land forces (they never were very swift at sea). The Norse, on the other hands, were explorers and bandits, operating in separate companies and only joining together for large objectives, and then only for loot. What other cultural differences will we see between these civilizations, and how will these differences affect their operations?

Funny you should say that about the Mongols as I am envisaging them using a lot of small, fast ships but with a single powerful particle accelerator as a weapon. The one ship I built will serve as a flagship. The Vikings will be raiders and they will base their tech around raiding or capturing the planets of other races. The Romans will take a more rounded approach and will attempt to expand their territory, bringing other races in as vassals.

The next race will be the 19th Century British Empire who will concentrate on industry and trade but will build up a powerful fleet to protect that trade (and conquer the occasional band of dervishes)

Steve
Posted by: TrueZuluwiz
« on: November 23, 2006, 09:26:27 AM »

What sort of differences will we see in these Empire's Fleets? The Mongols, for instance, are likely to build a swarm of small ships and attempt to bury their opponents with numbers. The Romans would call their ships galleys and concentrate on land forces (they never were very swift at sea). The Norse, on the other hands, were explorers and bandits, operating in separate companies and only joining together for large objectives, and then only for loot. What other cultural differences will we see between these civilizations, and how will these differences affect their operations?
Posted by: Michael Sandy
« on: November 22, 2006, 02:01:46 PM »

Hmmm, the first four I could see, but before 1812 France I don't see anybody with a culture emphasizing research and pure science.  You need a culture emphasizing research and pure science to get funds for research and pure science.  And funds for research and pure science means the scientists and educators need a certain level of political power.

Adding a powerful group of scientists and educators on top of a Roman or Mongol culture would radically change them.  The industrial revolution alone would radically disrupt the land owner based power structure of Rome.  And getting into mines, cities and generally fixed structures would pose a major challenge to the Nomadic society of the Mongols.  The Mongols would be a prime candidate for heavy use of Fuel Harvester tech, I think.

I would love to the British Empire or Napoleonic empire with race pictures and ship pictures from Phil Foglio's Girl Genius series  http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/cgi-bin ... e=20050221
Posted by: Steve Walmsley
« on: November 22, 2006, 01:48:07 PM »

Quote from: "TrueZuluwiz"
Now this sounds interesting. I hope those societies were placed on different, well separated planets.

The races are all being placed in separate starting systems. I will probably start with three of four then add new ones as required. How far apart those systems are will dependon how exploration goes.

Steve
Posted by: wildfire142
« on: November 22, 2006, 12:51:22 AM »

Sounds very intresting, can't wait to read more :)
Posted by: TrueZuluwiz
« on: November 21, 2006, 09:22:36 PM »

Now this sounds interesting. I hope those societies were placed on different, well separated planets.