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C# Aurora => C# Suggestions => Topic started by: shadowpho on October 01, 2022, 09:44:21 AM

Title: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: shadowpho on October 01, 2022, 09:44:21 AM
Currently training/grade does not do much if you use missiles.  It would be nice if the effects of low grade/training were increased.  An easy and awesome way to do that is to add panic system.  Crew gets scared when they take damage, or see friendly spacheships explode.   This is mitigated by crew training, crew grade and commanders.  Too much panic = random effect (ship tries to flee towards nearest jump point and away from biggest enemy ship, or ship shuts down engine or ship takes random internal damage)

Then their morale resets when they get their crew leave.
Title: Re: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: Norm49 on December 21, 2022, 07:26:28 PM
It could be cool but waiting for crew leave is a bad idea. Imaging this happening to a ship 3 moth away for your colonies i think it is safe to say that 2 moth after the combat is over the crew had some time to calm down.
Title: Re: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: nuclearslurpee on December 21, 2022, 09:13:31 PM
Currently training/grade does not do much if you use missiles.

If my observations have been correct, it does impact the missile %chance-to-hit which is actually pretty useful.

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It would be nice if the effects of low grade/training were increased.

Agreed. I miss the delayed reaction time for fleet orders from VB6, and conversely I feel like 100% crews are too efficient and make the training mechanic feel lame. I'd like to see fully-trained crews be better rather than perfect.

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An easy and awesome way to do that is to add panic system.  Crew gets scared when they take damage, or see friendly spacheships explode.   This is mitigated by crew training, crew grade and commanders.  Too much panic = random effect (ship tries to flee towards nearest jump point and away from biggest enemy ship, or ship shuts down engine or ship takes random internal damage)

Here I strongly disagree. Uncontrollable random effects are not fun to deal with as a player in Aurora. Maybe in some other games but it does not suit the scale and design philosophy here.
Title: Re: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: mikew on December 22, 2022, 09:51:52 AM
The effect of damage or destruction of other ships is going to have very little immediate impact on a ship's crew, if only because the vast majority of the crew is going to be completely ignorant as to what is going on with the rest of the fleet.  Heck, most of them will have little idea as to what is happening on THEIR ship outside of their immediate surroundings.  They're going to be very busy doing their jobs, not watching the equivalent of a general news broadcast about the state of the battle.
Title: Re: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: Froggiest1982 on December 22, 2022, 11:16:25 AM

I'd like to see fully-trained crews be better rather than perfect.


Are we getting soft with our officers, nuclear?

It may be the festive season...

 ;)
Title: Re: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: jatzi on March 26, 2023, 04:24:23 PM
Quote from: mikew link=topic=13127. msg163418#msg163418 date=1671724312
The effect of damage or destruction of other ships is going to have very little immediate impact on a ship's crew, if only because the vast majority of the crew is going to be completely ignorant as to what is going on with the rest of the fleet.   Heck, most of them will have little idea as to what is happening on THEIR ship outside of their immediate surroundings.   They're going to be very busy doing their jobs, not watching the equivalent of a general news broadcast about the state of the battle.

I'm necroing this but I like the idea personally.  There could be a similar green/trained/veteran mechanic for officers and that could be where it happens.  I could see issues with it though but I do think crew training in C# became kinda irrelevant unless the ship literally gets put into combat straight out of the shipyard.  With the ability to nest your admin commands it's really easy to get a fleet trained up in like 6 months just by having them sit in a naval admin nested under other naval or general admins with crew training officers in them.  You don't even need to use the training admin commands
Title: Re: Panic on low training in combat
Post by: Andrew on March 26, 2023, 05:22:17 PM
Modern Naval history is of course dominated by the crews of ships panicking and refusing to fight , Notablly
Taffy 3
HMS Gloworm
Scharnhorst (both of them)
Tirpitz
The 1st Scouting Squadron
Yamato

I can list many more examples where crews facing heavy fire and disastrous odds panicked and collapsed rendering them useless.