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Best Greenhouse Gas
« on: April 22, 2020, 09:38:23 AM »
The generic "safe greenhouse gas" has been removed, and carbon dioxide has been made a dangerous gas. Does this mean that there is now no good greenhouse gas, or am I missing something?
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2020, 09:39:27 AM »
safe greenhouse gas is still there, just renamed to aestustium.
Anti Greenhouse gas is named Frigisium.
 
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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #2 on: April 22, 2020, 10:29:54 AM »
safe greenhouse gas is still there, just renamed to aestustium.
Anti Greenhouse gas is named Frigisium.

Ah, I see. Thanks.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2020, 10:40:42 AM »
Not sure how CO2 became dangerous, guess there will be no plants on new worlds...   ::)
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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2020, 10:55:28 AM »
Not sure how CO2 became dangerous, guess there will be no plants on new worlds...   ::)
It's dangerous because... it's dangerous past certain concentrations. You can have up to 0.5% of a planet's atmosphere be CO2 though. http://aurora2.pentarch.org/index.php?topic=8495.msg101987#msg101987

I always laughed a bit when I read people posting about making Mars inhabitable without the Safe Greenhouse Gas. Instead the atmosphere'd be 20% CO2, whoops.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #5 on: April 22, 2020, 11:52:23 AM »
Not sure how CO2 became dangerous, guess there will be no plants on new worlds...   ::)

Basic chemistry.  Acidifying the bloodstream.  Poisoning the body.  Displacing the oxygen from red blood cells.

I guess that means basic biology as well.

Carbon dioxide in high concentrations is dangerous to oxygen-breathing life forms.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #6 on: April 22, 2020, 11:57:15 AM »
Quote from: Father Tim link=topic=11007. msg126952#msg126952 date=1587574343
Quote from: Pedroig link=topic=11007. msg126913#msg126913 date=1587570042
Not sure how CO2 became dangerous, guess there will be no plants on new worlds. . .    ::)

Basic chemistry.   Acidifying the bloodstream.   Poisoning the body.   Displacing the oxygen from red blood cells.

I guess that means basic biology as well.

Carbon dioxide in high concentrations is dangerous to oxygen-breathing life forms.

Yes but what uses C02 to create O2? Plants.  Its dangerous to us humans.  And to some plants in extremely high amounts.  But if you are trying to terraform a world w/a high CO2 level.  Then the best way to terraform it would be to transplant massive plants or just move chunks of forests or something.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2020, 12:08:37 PM »
Not sure how CO2 became dangerous, guess there will be no plants on new worlds...   ::)

Basic chemistry.  Acidifying the bloodstream.  Poisoning the body.  Displacing the oxygen from red blood cells.

I guess that means basic biology as well.

Carbon dioxide in high concentrations is dangerous to oxygen-breathing life forms.

Oxygen in high concentrations is dangerous to oxygen-breathing life forms.  So guess it needs to be a dangerous gas as well?  Basic chemistry afterall...
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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2020, 12:11:18 PM »
You're in luck Pedroig - oxygen IS a dangerous gas once the atmosphere of a body is more than 30% oxygen!
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #9 on: April 22, 2020, 12:15:25 PM »
Yes, so same logic should apply to CO2 or for Water for that matter...

Chlorine is a dangerous gas.  It gets warning labels and everything.  ;)

Everything else, moderation is key, too much of anything can be dangerous to living, and a small set of those life needs a minimum amount to survive.
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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #10 on: April 22, 2020, 12:15:59 PM »
You're in luck Pedroig - oxygen IS a dangerous gas once the atmosphere of a body is more than 30% oxygen!

So is basically every other gas we breath on a daily basis. All of them should be labelled as dangerous honestly. But, its Steve's game. His decision.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2020, 12:17:31 PM »
Yes, so same logic should apply to CO2 or for Water for that matter...

Chlorine is a dangerous gas.  It gets warning labels and everything.  ;)

Everything else, moderation is key, too much of anything can be dangerous to living, and a small set of those life needs a minimum amount to survive.

I think its really stupid to make an entire world that is water honestly. I dont see much point in it. What are you going to do with it? Orbital fishing platforms or something?
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2020, 12:26:19 PM »
Yes but what uses C02 to create O2? Plants.  Its dangerous to us humans.  And to some plants in extremely high amounts.  But if you are trying to terraform a world w/a high CO2 level.  Then the best way to terraform it would be to transplant massive plants or just move chunks of forests or something.

So who says 'terraforming to remove CO2' isn't adding massive amounts of plants?  My TF installations are certainly spraying vast amounts of lichen, moss, and blue-green algae across the world.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2020, 12:28:14 PM »
Yes, so same logic should apply to CO2 or for Water for that matter...

Chlorine is a dangerous gas.  It gets warning labels and everything.  ;)

Everything else, moderation is key, too much of anything can be dangerous to living, and a small set of those life needs a minimum amount to survive.


And it does!  Carbon Dioxide is only a dangerous gas above a certain concentration. . . exactly the same as Oxygen.

And if you add enough water vapour, it condenses out and alters the hydrosphere, eventually reducing the max population due to lack of living space.
 

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Re: Best Greenhouse Gas
« Reply #14 on: April 22, 2020, 12:29:16 PM »
Yes but what uses C02 to create O2? Plants.  Its dangerous to us humans.  And to some plants in extremely high amounts.  But if you are trying to terraform a world w/a high CO2 level.  Then the best way to terraform it would be to transplant massive plants or just move chunks of forests or something.

So who says 'terraforming to remove CO2' isn't adding massive amounts of plants?  My TF installations are certainly spraying vast amounts of lichen, moss, and blue-green algae across the world.

You mean you don't:


 ;D ;)
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